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  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #30 - April 09, 2013, 05:57 AM
    Grin Lawl.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #31 - April 09, 2013, 06:07 AM
    Quote from: allat on April 09, 2013, 05:54 AM
    (Clicky for piccy!)


    ROLF great picture Allat
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #32 - April 09, 2013, 08:48 AM

    Thatcherism is alive and well. Not even the Labour party will roll back her reforms. She won.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #33 - April 09, 2013, 08:55 AM
    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #34 - April 09, 2013, 09:22 AM
    I couldn't stand her, but I can't stand the gloating either. An old, half-senile woman is dead. End of.
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #35 - April 09, 2013, 10:06 AM
    ^My feelings too.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #36 - April 09, 2013, 10:36 AM
    She's not just some nice old dear who passed away, though. She directly destroyed the lives of thousands of people.

    One-sided, dewy-eyed, global reverence of someone like Thatcher is an effective form of whitewashing and hagiography. And we've gotta put up with this shit for days now.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #37 - April 09, 2013, 10:46 AM
    Here's a rather poignant look at Thatcher's legacy....

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-death-orgreave-coal-miners
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #38 - April 09, 2013, 11:13 AM
    Its got a bit of a lynch mob hysteria in some quarters.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #39 - April 09, 2013, 12:00 PM
    Heh, you should have seen how naïve Nigerians are using platitudes on social media whom I bet many of them have no idea what she did in her time or never lived in UK during her time. Follow follow mentality Grin
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #40 - April 09, 2013, 05:15 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on April 09, 2013, 10:36 AM
    She's not just some nice old dear who passed away, though. She directly destroyed the lives of thousands of people.

    One-sided, dewy-eyed, global reverence of someone like Thatcher is an effective form of whitewashing and hagiography. And we've gotta put up with this shit for days now.


    Exactly she and her American counterpart Reagan managed to destroy the middle and poor class while making the rich class richer
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #41 - April 09, 2013, 09:44 PM
    A few words from George Galloway.   Smiley

    http://redmolucca.wordpress.com/2013/04/08/tramp-the-dirt-down/
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #42 - April 09, 2013, 09:53 PM
    Great to hear from Stalin worshipping dictator lackey Galloway there.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #43 - April 09, 2013, 10:02 PM
    Don't worry George, you'll get your day too. Unless people have forgotten you existed by then, which is a possibility.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #44 - April 09, 2013, 11:06 PM
    He lost me on line three with 'predeceased'.
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #45 - April 10, 2013, 08:38 AM
    I somewhat tentatively agree with Greenwald's take over at the guardian. Respect for the deceased exists in a private capacity, it becomes hypocritical to demand such respect for a public figure.
    This is especially true considering that all the hagiographies and obvious exaggerations about her supposed greatness is showing a complete lack of respect for all of her victims.
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #46 - April 10, 2013, 01:21 PM
    People disliking you comes with the territory when you're a public figure and I don't think it's necessary to respect someone in death who you didn't respect in life but still, celebrating the old woman's death is excessive and distasteful.
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #47 - April 10, 2013, 06:41 PM
    She might have been old and senile etc but during the time when she had her wits about her was she a decent person? Nope! I am young but I do remember her home boy Reagan and he was equally detested in the states.

    I am sorry if someone is horrid just  because they are dead doesn't mean we shouldn't say they weren't.

    There is a war criminal that the Somali government is trying to get off in the u.s and he didn't have any sympathy for those he killed thatcher was the same her policies did a lot of harm. 

    I don't believe in hell but I am glad the trick is gone....end of rant
    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #48 - April 10, 2013, 06:54 PM
    Al Alethia

    we arent celebrating her death..., we just dont give a shit.
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #49 - April 10, 2013, 07:08 PM
    Some good stuff here:

    Glenda Jackson on Thatcher
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDtClJYJBj8
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #50 - April 10, 2013, 07:39 PM
    And more good stuff from Mr Brand:

    Russell Brand on Margaret Thatcher
    Quote
    [...]
    It always struck me as peculiar, too, when the Spice Girls briefly championed Thatcher as an early example of girl power. I don't see that. She is an anomaly; a product of the freak-onomy of her time. Barack Obama, interestingly, said in his statement that she had "broken the glass ceiling for other women". Only in the sense that all the women beneath her were blinded by falling shards. She is an icon of individualism, not of feminism. [...]

    The blunt, pathetic reality today is that a little old lady has died, who in the winter of her life had to water roses alone under police supervision. If you behave like there's no such thing as society, in the end there isn't. Her death must be sad for the handful of people she was nice to and the rich people who got richer under her stewardship. It isn't sad for anyone else. There are pangs of nostalgia, yes, because for me she's all tied up with Hi-De-Hi and Speak and Spell and Blockbusters and "follow the bear". What is more troubling is my inability to ascertain where my own selfishness ends and her neo-liberal inculcation begins. All of us that grew up under Thatcher were taught that it is good to be selfish, that other people's pain is not your problem, that pain is in fact a weakness and suffering is deserved and shameful. Perhaps there is resentment because the clemency and respect that are being mawkishly displayed now by some and haughtily demanded of the rest of us at the impending, solemn ceremonial funeral, are values that her government and policies sought to annihilate.

    I can't articulate with the skill of either of "the Marks" – Steel or Thomas – why Thatcher and Thatcherism were so bad for Britain but I do recall that even to a child her demeanour and every discernible action seemed to be to the detriment of our national spirit and identity. Her refusal to stand against apartheid, her civil war against the unions, her aggression towards our neighbours in Ireland and a taxation system that was devised in the dark ages, the bombing of a retreating ship – it's just not British. [...]

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #51 - April 10, 2013, 08:23 PM
     grin12 @ Glenda Jackson.  Afro

    I like the Speaker's finishing touch too.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #52 - April 11, 2013, 03:40 AM
    Quote from: tabularasa on April 10, 2013, 06:54 PM
    Al Alethia

    we arent celebrating her death..., we just dont give a shit.

    I wasn't talking about you guys, lol,  I meant the people having street parties and literally celebrating.
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #53 - April 11, 2013, 06:59 AM
    Thanks for that vid, well I guess she was more like Reagan than I thought he turned out all the mentally disabled onto the states of the us as well.     

    Go Glenda!  Human Capital is precious!
    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #54 - April 11, 2013, 08:55 AM
    People have a wrong impression of Britain. They think Britain is genteel in its politics. Just watch parliament during Prime Ministers Questions. Its a fucking mad house. You don't hold back. Invective is part of the national character and the Prime Minister is not seen as sacred as they might be elsewhere. The Queen is the symbolic head of state to whom reverence accrues for the symbolism of the state, not the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister makes their decisions, and then the British people let rip.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #55 - April 12, 2013, 01:10 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on April 09, 2013, 10:36 AM
    She's not just some nice old dear who passed away, though. She directly destroyed the lives of thousands of people.

    One-sided, dewy-eyed, global reverence of someone like Thatcher is an effective form of whitewashing and hagiography. And we've gotta put up with this shit for days now.


    I don't go for the "dewy eyed reverence", but she came to power when this country was down and out. The IMF had already refused us a bail out loan. We were the strike capital of Europe. TheUnions made no secret of the fact that they were going to get rid of her. These characters who condemn her fought like hell when she brought democracy to the unions before she brought in the secret ballot, apparently it is far more democratic to have a show of hands (where the bully boys can see who votes the wrong way).

    They were hoping for a Ted Heath who would fight by the Queensbury rules instead they got a street fighter who kicked their posteriors.
    Did you know that British Coal was so expensive the only way they could sell it was to Nationalised British Industry which had to pay whatever was asked. It was actually cheaper to buy coal from Australia ship it halfway round the world than it was to buy it from the Yorkshire mines ten miles up the road.

    History is being rewritten as is usual.

    I don't agree with some of the things she did but the need was for radical surgery and she had the nerve to apply it.

    The reason those communities were devastated was because they relied on massive subsidies from the government.
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #56 - April 12, 2013, 01:42 AM
    Quote from: Santoku on April 12, 2013, 01:10 AM
    History is being rewritten as is usual.

    By you, apparently.

    You'd be hard pressed to make your insultingly small list of pros longer. And you now have an insurmountable task of explaining and apologising away all the other bad shit already mentioned in this thread - a laundry list that eclipses any handful of cherry-picked confirmation-bias goodness you can muster up with your Google Fu.

    Meanwhile, it isn't even history for some people. They still feel the ripples and echoes of Thatcherism. Congratulations for not being one of them.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #57 - April 12, 2013, 07:27 AM
    Quote from: Santoku on April 12, 2013, 01:10 AM

    The reason those communities were devastated was because they relied on massive subsidies from the government.


    Who doesn't rely on subsidies? Even Thatcher's buddies in the financial sector needed bailouts from the government after they gambled everyone else's money away (incidently this only happened because of the de-regulation that was allowed by Thatcher for purely ideological reasons).
    Her so-called economic success has now also been shown to be a failure just like every other part of her legacy.
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #58 - April 12, 2013, 09:04 AM
    If Thatcher wasn't being eulogised like royalty and the bad things she did weren't being brushed under the carpet by the right wing press the response wouldn't be so loud.

    Both sides should be balanced.

    She was a divisive leader and there are large parts of the country that hate her.

    She was no Winston Churchill and the Tories have misjudged the public mood by giving her a state funeral, and the right wing press is being divisive by whitewashing the effect of her policies.

    When that happens people want to respond.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Margaret Thatcher Died
     Reply #59 - April 12, 2013, 10:30 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on April 12, 2013, 01:42 AM
    By you, apparently.

    You'd be hard pressed to make your insultingly small list of pros longer. And you now have an insurmountable task of explaining and apologising away all the other bad shit already mentioned in this thread - a laundry list that eclipses any handful of cherry-picked confirmation-bias goodness you can muster up with your Google Fu.

    Meanwhile, it isn't even history for some people. They still feel the ripples and echoes of Thatcherism. Congratulations for not being one of them.

    Ishina, Britain was fairly fucked before Thatcher came to power, and not just economically. The Notting Hill riots and punk rock (1976) were not the products of a happy house.

    As I've said before, I loathed her. Despised might be more accurate. Her determined philistinism, a lack of empathy so acute that she didn't even recoil emotionally against apartheid... I could go on, but I'll leave that to others.

    The coal mines were doomed, as were the tin mines of Cornwall and the copper mines of Jordan 5000 years ago. Above the excavated ruins of a fantastically rich Jordanian mining town there are still seams of copper visible to the naked eye. In a poor country, why on earth don't they mine them?

    Was Scargill really more of a democrat than Thatcher, who won unfixed elections and shuffled off obediently when defenestrated by her own party?

    With her death, it's the meanness of spirit of those rejoicing I can't stand, the grave dancers all piously calling out her meanness of spirit. They are right, but they should look in the mirror too.

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