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  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     OP - April 08, 2013, 01:50 PM

    As recent activities  have demonstrated, young men are often clueless as to how to effectively interact with women on issues such as attraction, sex, and dating. While it is easy to simply point the finger at these young, hormone-laden souls who may not at first comprehend the complex emotions these topics can evoke, I think this is a perfect opportunity to do some much needed enlightening.

     For ex Muslim young men in particular, the opportunity to interact with women and "learn from experience" about what is acceptable and what is offensive is often entirely lacking. Couple this with nature's overwhelming pressure to spread ones genes as quickly as possible, and what you are often left with are situations in which inexperienced young men can come off as crass, sexist, jerks. Women, in turn, are left scratching their heads and wondering what their problem is.

    I'd like to use this thread as a sort of advise zone to raise awareness among the stereotypical "horny teenager" ex-Muslim. The idea here is not necessarily to help young men land a girlfriend, but to really shed some light on an area that many of our ex-Muslim men really do not have any experience in. It will, I hope, help to foster understanding and reduce offense. If it helps our brothers lead successful relationships in the future, then that's good too.

    Esteemed ladies, in as much as all of you are unique and different in your own way, what are some things that you would like men to understand about interacting with you? What do you appreciate in a man? What do you hate? Are there any pet peeves or things that otherwise get under your skin?
  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #1 - April 08, 2013, 04:45 PM

    Not sure if this helps!

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    utobiographical fiction is a paradoxical business in which a writer, boldly confessional, may offer readers accounts of disturbing or even shocking actions. Such boldness, though, soon collapses, giving way to a curious coyness, because these intimate scenes may have been conflated, altered or utterly concocted. To the claim that "this is fiction," there are further, more serious consequences, for the reader is required to bring a different set of standards to bear. To people we encounter in biographies or autobiographies, we respond ethically, with at least a minimum of that tolerance and sympathy all men and women ought to show one another; to characters in fiction -- even autobiographical fiction -- there is no such obligation, and we must respond esthetically, with higher and harsher standards.

    Thus, in "The Kindness of Women," a fascinating sequel to "The Empire of the Sun," when the protagonist, Jim, comes home from Spain, where he has just buried Miriam, his young wife, and makes love with Dorothy, Miriam's sister, it is beside the point to wonder whether such a thing actually happened to J. G. Ballard (pronounced Buh-LARD), whether there was or is a Dorothy, or how she or her family might feel about this revelation. Such questions are interesting but idle. The more pressing issue is what kind of monster Jim has turned out to be.

    A compulsive womanizer, Jim jumps the bones of virtually every female who crosses his field of vision in a series of couplings Mr. Ballard describes with a somewhat quizzical, almost clinical specificity. In some of these pairings there are hints of affection or even the possibility of love, but on other occasions Jim is remote, all the more impersonal for the details he adduces, and his exertions have about the same moral weight as those of a strenuous game of handball. Finally, this is what the novel is about: the way in which the boy Jim of "Empire of the Sun" was hurt, crippled and deformed by the things he witnessed and experienced in Shanghai and in the Japanese internment camp at Lunghwa during World War II.

    That book -- and the Steven Spielberg film of the same name -- showed us the horrors of war but had a relentlessly upbeat quality, if only because we were invited to assume that young Jim survived and that all would be well. It was a novel after all, and the conventions of the traditional novel are quite clear: good characters are supposed to come to good ends and, after struggles and vicissitudes, live happily ever after. There was nothing to prevent us from supposing that, however much Jim had been put upon and brutalized by the carnage all around him, he would go on to lead a reasonably well-adjusted, normally happy, perhaps even prosperous life. The outcome, though, is darker, indeed so bleak and difficult as to require the fictional guise and even to support the kind of heightened scrutiny that invites....


    http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/07/12/specials/ballard-women.html


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  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #2 - April 08, 2013, 06:56 PM

    I tend to think that ex-Muslim AND Muslim men have the same problems when picking up women.  Most of my Muslim friends found their husbands after meeting them in social settings.  Muslim men are often out there in the dating scene like any other average joe...lack of identifying  religious garb makes it all too easy for them to slip in and out of that world.

    One of the biggest annoyances I have heard is that often times, the women do not understand the sense of humor these men have at all.  I guess coming from a more sheltered life, their humor is not very "high-brow".  One of my friends put it best when she said that Muslim men crack jokes they read off the Laffy Taffy wrappers.   Cheesy

    For me, the winning combo is 1) intelligence 2) intelligence 3) intelligence 4) a quick wit and wicked sense of humor 5) integrity and 6) they act like a man (no metrosexual garbage at all) lol, like a man who can change the oil on his car, chop firewood, someone who just knows how to do manly sh**...and I will say, most Arab, Indo-Pakistani men in this country do NOT fall into that catergory.   




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  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #3 - April 08, 2013, 09:31 PM

    So this is presuming that this thread is for heterosexual men....

    = Treat every woman as an individual, unique human being. Women are not all alike. Women have completely different personalities, needs, desires and likes and dislikes. Each woman is a different human being from every other woman.

    = Treat women you like like you would treat a good friend. That is, don't try to control her and don't expect that she has to do everything you want her to do.

    = Don't go looking for a girlfriend if you are really, really desperate for a girlfriend. It is the worst way to be - desperate. You will attract either no women or only the wrong types of women.

    = Don't be overly confident either. A little bit of self confidence is good, tempered with humility. A man acting overly confident tells women that he is trying over compensate for other things that he's missing or short on.

    = Listen more. Really learn to listen to people. More than talking, spend time listening. Listen with empathy. When someone is talking, don't let your brain be distracted by anything else. Don't sit there trying to think of something witty to say. Just listen. Pay attention to what people are saying, let it in and sit with what you heard before responding with something that is your genuine heartfelt response, and you will reap the rewards that earnest communication brings.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #4 - April 08, 2013, 10:34 PM

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    And how do you tell someone that you like them?

    I'm sorry, I'm still young.


    The only reason not to tell someone you like them is out of fear of being rejected.  And it is hard to decide whether or not to put yourself in such a vulnerable place of "asking".  I know that often times, if you don't ask, you will just probably never know.  So gauge that question with yourself carefully: "if I never ask, am I okay with never knowing for sure if he/she would want to date me?"

    Sometimes taking risks can hurt you really bad, but at some point, you just have to try or you will never break out of the same old routine.  So, go for it!   Wink

    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #5 - April 08, 2013, 10:40 PM

    And how do you tell someone that you like them?

    Like this: "I like you."

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  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #6 - April 08, 2013, 10:54 PM

    No way Oz.  You gotta start out smooth, like with this: "Hey baby, are you an athlete?"  "'Cuz you've been running through my mind all night"


    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #7 - April 08, 2013, 10:56 PM

    Ah. Right. Thanks for the tip. Smiley

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  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #8 - April 09, 2013, 12:03 AM

    For the most part I'm going to have to agree with Os on this one. The best way to tell someone that you like them is just like that "I like you.." or  "I find you attractive." or "I enjoy being with you." Whatever the thought is, it is okay to just say what it is. Allat also has some good advise as usual. Each person is an individual with their own style. I've heard some very nicely rapped love poems. That's not something that would impress me but there are young ladies out there that are very flattered.  Someone had already given the advise to not be out there desperate for a girlfriend well that is the absolute truth. The first thing is to be comfortable with who you are and what you want. Not what you necessarily what you want from someone else but what you want from yourself. That way you wont settle for someone who isn't right together with you, if you're looking for a partner.  You could have any number of friends on your way to where you are going depending on what your mind set is on that.

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  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #9 - April 09, 2013, 01:54 AM

    - To counteract what tabularasa said (so that no one brings up the "nice guys finish last" bullshit), not all women want a macho man; I'm quite metrosexual, and I get along fine. Different women want different things in a man.

    - Don't force yourself on a woman. A lot of people think that forcing yourself is a sign of assertiveness and confidence, but asking shows a lot more confidence. When you give a woman the opportunity to say 'no', it shows you're not afraid of rejection. And it makes her comfortable around you.

    - Also, give the woman the opportunity to say 'yes'. Don't make all the first moves. This can also be a sign of confidence: if you're confident that she likes you, you don't mind waiting for her to move at her own pace. It's also pretty fucking hot when a woman shows you how much she wants you.

  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #10 - April 09, 2013, 01:57 AM

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    Un-Memorizing the “Silence is Sexy” Date Script

    A woman once told me pointedly something that has stayed with me to this day.  We were kissing.  Lying on the cold wood floor, my hand traveled across her stomach and she whispered, “I think we should take it slow.”  I agreed immediately.  Before moving in to kiss her again, I said, “Just tell me when to stop.”

    This, I thought, was considerate.  Respectful.  Sexy.  But she quickly corrected my mistake.  Pulling away from me, her face took on a serious expression and the words she spoke illuminated a misunderstanding I had long nurtured, even as I knew myself to be a thoughtful feminist with much respect for other women.

    In essence, what she said was, “Women are not given enough opportunities to say ‘yes.’”

    Oh, I thought.  Huh.  What a wonderfully radical idea.  But I mean, isn’t it strange that this idea is so radical?  Women saying yes.  It’s not radical because women never want sex or agree to have it, but because the typical “sexy” date script society expects and encourages from us usually involves a man trying whatever he wants and a woman either putting the brakes on, or consenting…by not putting the brakes on.  Sound familiar?

    We’ve gotten the idea from movies and magazines that silence is sexy.  Ultimate romance means fireworks and fairy dust sprinkling down from the heavens and instilling in us some magical intuition where both people suddenly just know what the other wants.  Speaking out loud in full sentences would break the rhythm, ruining the mystical thrill of the spontaneous moment.  And GOD FORBID you ask permission to do anything.  I mean, come on, major boner killer.

    But here’s the thing.  The “sexy silence” model is based on two stupid and outdated assumptions: 1) that a man’s pleasure takes priority over a woman’s, and 2) that a woman’s pleasure must be expected and assumed, because how could she ever resist a man?  The “just say no” part of the rule didn’t always exist.  That developed later when society realized that women should have some say in the matter.  Duh.

    But “just say no” isn’t enough.  Imagine this: since men are expected to make the first move in the majority of sexual situations, where does that leave women if they’re not yet sure what they want?  This “sexy silence” standard makes saying “no” or “stop” even harder for women who want to feel sexy but don’t necessarily want to do what their partner wants to do; who want a hug goodnight, but not a kiss; who are excited about kissing, but uncomfortable with petting; who are enthusiastic about making out, but aren’t ready for sex.  Being forced to say “no” or “stop” will invariably make the experience end sooner than it might otherwise, and on a rather negative note, even if it started positively with both people excited.  Come to think of it, I can’t think of anything less sexy or romantic than making an enthusiastic move and being pushed away, or having to tell someone whom I like to stop what they’re doing.

    Even more troubling is the possibility that a woman might not know how or when to put the brakes on, and by simply hesitating for too long, could end up doing any variety of things against her innermost wishes.  Oh wait!  That happens all the time.  It’s called rape.  That’s right.  The “silence is sexy” model is a big part of how we created rape culture.

    Soooooo what alternatives do we have?  How do we keep sexy things fun and respectful without placing the heavy burden on the woman to be a killjoy (and in a hurry) in order to maintain her boundaries?

    Here’s an idea.  Give women some agency by pausing now and then and allowing them to say YES and ask for what they want!  I swear,  it is sexy as hell to give somebody exactly what you know they want, without wondering if you’re guessing wrong.

    Continue reading

  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #11 - April 09, 2013, 02:23 AM

    How about don't get in a relationship with someone who wants to be serious when you don't. No matter how smart or funny you think she is, if she needs you to be there and you can't, be honest instead of going on for a few months than realising its too difficult then bailing. Be honest!!!

    Oh yeah if you're thinking its not working don't you dare drag along and give mixed messages. EVER. Just say it and bugger off. And if you're decent, try talk about it but make it clear that you're not into it. Again, honesty...
    Umm what else..oh yeah, she's human, let her have her dignity treat her nice and listen, and the golden rule of course. Idk what else.

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  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #12 - April 09, 2013, 04:55 AM

    The one thing I find very off-putting is this clingy vibe some men put off. If a guy approached me and seemed friendly, without seeming like he's 'on-the-hunt' then I'd be more comfortable than feeling like I'm this piece of meat to wham bam thank you ma'am. As allat said, approach girls as from a friends angle -as a human being. Not this 'hot girl 6 o'clock, in for the dive' mentality or at least not give off that vibe. Show real interest in what's on her mind.

    Also once a girl does show a bit of potential interest in a guy i.e. wanting to just get to know you a bit more it's NOT a definite 'yes, you're getting some tonight', so don't start wagging your tales and getting over-excited because again that's a put off. Go with the flow and see how things unravel. Until you're actually in bed together, or wherever, doing it, it's not a promise of sex.

    ^That's just approaching girls initially, as for in a relationship, to each their own of course, but for me personally, I don't like the guy in question to be too attached or too 'love you babes xoxo' and all that stuff. Also I don't like things getting too serious early on in the relationship. I like breathing room to be an individual.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #13 - April 09, 2013, 05:21 AM

    - To counteract what tabularasa said (so that no one brings up the "nice guys finish last" bullshit), not all women want a macho man; I'm quite metrosexual, and I get along fine. Different women want different things in a man.

    - Don't force yourself on a woman. A lot of people think that forcing yourself is a sign of assertiveness and confidence, but asking shows a lot more confidence. When you give a woman the opportunity to say 'no', it shows you're not afraid of rejection. And it makes her comfortable around you.

    - Also, give the woman the opportunity to say 'yes'. Don't make all the first moves. This can also be a sign of confidence: if you're confident that she likes you, you don't mind waiting for her to move at her own pace. It's also pretty fucking hot when a woman shows you how much she wants you.




    Unless that woman is me, in which case you won't ever hear me say it first or make a move, or display prior interest since unfortunately it can be used as a method for making a woman feel that much more insecure in the relationship.

    See, I wasn't aware of this being a PUA tactic, but it's actually recommended that you not make a move on a woman until she makes it on you, because it tips the balance of power in your favour.

    Since women are in general taught to wait for a guy to make a first move, and taught that this is how a man shows interest, and this is how her desireablility is known to her, waiting and waiting for her to do it, can have her questioning whether you even like her....ergo you have created insecurity, established yourself as the person with power since you are the 'desired' one, and have her always feeling slightly unsure of your interest.

    My ex husband waited for me to make a move back when I wasn't jaded enough to know how this play outs, and told me after a certain amount of time, that it was infact a tactic he used to gain that insecure result.....which of course it did since deep down I could never be sure if he had desired me.

    Which just really shows that there is no one method for any female, there is no standard advice on what women want.  We all want different things and need different things.


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  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #14 - April 09, 2013, 05:38 AM

    I said, "Don't make all the first moves," not "Wait for her to make the first move." Wink I generally take a step and wait for her to take another, etc. I have no problem with expressing interest, but I make sure she's comfortable and that I'm not forcing myself on her.
  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #15 - April 09, 2013, 05:50 AM

    Yes...well I'm sure you did say that......but I hadn't drank the morning coffee yet, so i read it......my way.  Grin

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  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #16 - April 09, 2013, 07:39 AM

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    Treat every woman as an individual, unique human being. Women are not all alike. Women have completely different personalities, needs, desires and likes and dislikes. Each woman is a different human being from every other woman.


    This, Also this can determine the kind of relationship you want to have with a female either as a friend,colleague,partner or just a fling or a combo.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

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  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #17 - April 09, 2013, 01:44 PM

    This is great. Thanks for the input guys and gals. Here is my two cents. Be yourself. As everything above has shown, women are all different. Be yourself, do things that you would do, impress her in ways that you would be comfortable with, and see if she likes you for you. If she does, great. If not, there are others. You don't want a woman that likes a "you" that isn't really even you. Be confident, be you, and own your personality.
  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #18 - April 10, 2013, 09:02 PM

    I remember this one time I had an epiphany, it went something like: "Hey, women are humans!"

    It's all been smooth sailing since then.  Cool

    how fuck works without shit??


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    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #19 - April 11, 2013, 03:30 AM

    It's not exactly rocket science.

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  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #20 - April 11, 2013, 05:49 AM

    ^ Exactly. I think it's quite simple really. Just be a decent, honest, caring human being *and* make your intentions clear as soon as you're ready. If you want a relationship with a girl, let her know that rather than being a "nice guy" to her and hoping she'll simply know that you're interested in her and respond positively. Say something!

    Quote
    How about don't get in a relationship with someone who wants to be serious when you don't.

    This. Don't lead someone on.

    If she says 'no', go away! Life is not a rom com and I'm sure a lot of girls would respond negatively to a guy who doesn't take 'NO' for an answer and persists to ask her out, flirt, etc after she's made it clear she's not interested. Has anyone else noticed this in films? The girl hates the guy at first but he keeps pestering her -- sometimes to the point of harassment -- until she finally falls for him…and sometimes even admits she'd loved him all along Roll Eyes I can't speak for all women but if I liked a guy, I'd say 'yes' the first time and wouldn't "play hard to get" so if I said 'no' I really meant it and wouldn't appreciate being harassed.

    Be yourself! Cliche but very true. I believe in flying your freak flag and embracing your quirks. Some girls like macho men, some like metrosexuals, some like hipsters, artsy guys, gangsta types, nerdy types, etc. Don't pretend to be something you're not because you think it'll get you girls and don't conceal who you really are because you think girls won't be into you -- yes, that includes the Trekkies of the world -- just be who you are and you'll attract your kind of girl. 
  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #21 - April 11, 2013, 05:49 AM

    @Abood
    I'm confused. Do you mean you don't make the first move because that's somehow depriving the woman of a choice of some sorts?I can't see myself ever approaching a guy. I feel like if he likes me, he'll make a move and if he doesn't make a move it means he doesn't like me so I wouldn't risk making the first move. 
  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #22 - April 11, 2013, 05:58 AM

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    The girl hates the guy at first but he keeps pestering her -- sometimes to the point of harassment -- until she finally falls for him…and sometimes even admits she'd loved him all along


    One word: Bollywood. That's where you find those kind of scenarios

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  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #23 - April 11, 2013, 10:30 AM


    For me, the winning combo is 1) intelligence 2) intelligence 3) intelligence 4) a quick wit and wicked sense of humor 5) integrity and 6) they act like a man (no metrosexual garbage at all) lol, like a man who can change the oil on his car, chop firewood, someone who just knows how to do manly sh**...and I will say, most Arab, Indo-Pakistani men in this country do NOT fall into that catergory.   



    I do not mean this to be a criticism of you in any way but I find the above interesting. Why is being able to change the oil in a car a 'manly' thing to do? Don't you think there is a danger here of describing a skill-set as specific to one gender? A female mechanic might well take offense at her skills being called manly.  Smiley
     

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  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #24 - April 11, 2013, 10:52 AM

    ^ It's one of those things people associate with masculinity and most mechanics and people who work with cars are men even now so its not a crazy statement or anything. No need to get all politically correct about it Tongue
  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #25 - April 11, 2013, 11:16 AM

    ^ It's one of those things people associate with masculinity and most mechanics and people who work with cars are men even now so its not a crazy statement or anything. No need to get all politically correct about it Tongue


    Sure, and it's perfectly fine to prefer one kind of person over another, everyone has preferences after all.
    I was just curious why that particular preference deserves the title 'manly' when one wouldn't associate such a word with say, an expert at changing hardware on a motherboard, even though that is just as much a relevant and necessary skill in the modern world, and the majority of professionals are men in that particular industry too.

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    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #26 - April 11, 2013, 11:44 AM

    Perhaps the hardware thing didn't occur to her? It's not like she's going to list *all* the traditionally manly activities, she probably just mentioned the few that came to her mind or mattered to her.
  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #27 - April 11, 2013, 06:23 PM

    on a serious tip, my advice for young men looking to date a woman is simple
    1) be genuine, don't ever try to act like someone else or pretend to be into something you are not because one day, that charade will fall apart

    2) remember to ASK a girl questions about herself.  nothing is more of a turn off than a man who yammers away all day ONLY about him and who always tried to stear the conversation back to him as the focus.  uh, i believe it's called narcissism...lol  BIG TIME TURN OFF>

    3) do cute lotsa cute lil stuff, for her.  no jewelry or big gifts.  nice little gestures, like remember things she talks about and likes and then surprise her.  but do that after you start dating, or you might look like a stalker.

    4) women can get totally fu***g emotional.  and when they do, just roll with it.  All women are going to have their neurotic emotional dramas from time to time, just give her a hug, and listen.  don't walk away, be strong, it will pass, I promise.  Any woman that doesn't break down and cry every once in a while, or gets moody has probably had a lobotomy, and no one wants someone like that in their lives

    5) and this is my most important advice for men.  do NOT pick "broken women" if the girl is coming off a string of bad relationships, leave her the hell alone and let her rescue herself.  pick someone who has a strong group of support in her life, parents, friends coworkers that all seem to really like her and care for her.  if she is emotionally healthy, can split her time well between you and her friends, has interests, hobbies, goals and hell, maybe does volunteer work...that is a good sign that she is well adjusted and emotionally mature.  if you start to date her and she wants to move in with you the next day.  run.  like.  hell.

    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #28 - April 11, 2013, 06:41 PM

    Wtf with number 5?

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • The complete idiot ex-Muslim man's guide to understanding women
     Reply #29 - April 11, 2013, 06:44 PM

    So a woman who happens to have a shitty past or whatever, and for whatever reasons doesn't have supportive people around her, 'men stay away from her' is your answer?

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