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     Reply #150 - May 26, 2013, 11:24 PM
    Is Glenn Greenwald trying to take the islamic terror apologetics/american government bashing baton from Noam Chomsky ?

    he's making a good case for it..
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #151 - May 27, 2013, 12:18 AM
    The Woolwich beheading, the boston bombing.

    It's at times like these where I sorely miss Hitchens. 
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #152 - May 27, 2013, 08:41 AM
    Quote from: serpentofeden on May 26, 2013, 11:24 PM
    Is Glenn Greenwald trying to take the islamic terror apologetics/american government bashing baton from Noam Chomsky ?

    he's making a good case for it..

    Greenwald has always been spouting these nasty views; nothing new there. There's a running "the West is just as bad as -- sometimes even worse than -- the Islamist terrorists' " theme in his articles. 

    I think the Fort Hood attack was different -- it was on a military base and was deliberately aimed at soldiers there. I'd go as far as to say that that wasn't terrorism because of where it took place and the very specific group of people -- active-duty soldiers -- it targeted. It didn't instill terror in members of the general public the way, say a shooting in a school or a bomb on a bus or a stabbing in the street would. 

    For some reason, I just can't see butchering someone in broad daylight on a suburban street, in close proximity to a primary school to boot -- regardless of who that someone was -- as being comparable to an attack on soldiers on a military base. Maybe that's silly of me and makes no sense but I think a lot of people feel the same way. 

    Perhaps you could make a case for the "shock and awe" attacks on Iraqi cities as being state-imposed terrorism but what difference does that make? Also, does this mean that all members of the armed forces of pretty much all NATO countries (and Australia) are fair-game anytime, anywhere in the world whether they be armed and fighting or not? 

    We could easily point out that Afghanistan -- where the slain soldier had apparently served -- was only invaded because "they" started it and the Taliban and its allies are responsible for the majority of civilian deaths there anyway; the good 'ole soldiers of Allah kill more Muslims than the kuffar invaders wacko 

    One could argue that the Woolwich attack was terrorism because it was ideologically motivated and the way in which it was carried out was very clearly meant to intimidate the general public. Hacking someone with a machete in broad daylight in full view of civilian passers-by, demanding he be taped, making threatening statements, etc. 
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #153 - May 27, 2013, 09:41 AM
    I completely agree with the fact that if religious zealots had access to horrible weapons, they would be far worse than the West.
    As of now though, numbers don't lie. The West has caused too many innocent deaths.
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #154 - May 27, 2013, 09:42 AM
    By the way, does anyone know if this act is justified from an Islamic perspective? He was a soldier after all, right?
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #155 - May 27, 2013, 10:53 AM
    Quote from: kutta on May 27, 2013, 09:41 AM
    I completely agree with the fact that if religious zealots had access to horrible weapons, they would be far worse than the West.
    As of now though, numbers don't lie. The West has caused too many innocent deaths.


    It doesn't have to be "religious zealots". A religiously-motivated dictator is enough; lets not forget, that Saddam (with the (illegal) help of France!) not only built the world's largest Uranium-enriching facility, no, he OFFICIALLY stated that it'd be used to build an atomic bomb which was to be used on Israel. Does anybody remember that threat, or is that already forgotten among the "historians of western imperialistic violence"?

    I also shake my head often when hearing those made up statistics whereupon "the Americans" killed "over half a million Iraqis" in the war since 2003. The truth is, in the 3 1/2 of the "official" war, ALL statistics agree, that during the CONFLICT, roughly 150-180,000 have been killed.

    Asked, how much of that is due to sectarian conflicts/bombings/murders ONLY, sources speak of "roughly 100 deaths PER DAY (!!!)".
    Lets do the math: 3 1/2 years x 365 days x 100 deaths/day = roughly 130,000.

    So of the 150-180,000 Iraqis killed, 130,000 (!!!) were victims of SECTARIAN "CIVIL" WAR and NOT the invasion (!!!).
    Again, of the 150-180,000 killed Iraqis, 20-50,000 were either terrorists, post-Saddam resistance, "collateral damage" or wrongful deaths caused by either Alliance Troops or Iraqi resistance forces/police.

    Every wrongful death/"collateral damage"-life lost is a sad thing; but to claim PROFILING or even attacks with the INTENT to kill civilians, is pure nonsense and clearly a lie.
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #156 - May 27, 2013, 01:32 PM
    I'm sorry, but to dismiss the US's blame for a war that costed 530 billion dollars and killed 116,000 civilians (probably more) to find out that there were no weapons of destruction is greater nonsense.  Noone is saying that there was an intent to kill civilians. But there was an intent to start an unjustified war, an intent that can never get those hundreds of thousands of lives back.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/9932214/Iraq-war-10-years-on-at-least-116000-civilians-killed.html
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #157 - May 27, 2013, 02:15 PM
    Glen Greenwald is a twat. 

    He repeats the stupid assertion that the root cause of terrorism is fighting it.  Like saying we shouldn't have gone in to Afghanistan.



    To paraphrase Hitchens the anti war movement must accept that if we didn't go into Afghanistan the following would be the case

       - The Taliban would still be ruling over Afghanistan
       -  They would continue to provide a safe haven for Al Qaeda
       
    Do people like him not realize how many more terror attacks Al Qaeda could have done and attempted with the luxury of complete state protection.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #158 - May 27, 2013, 08:24 PM
    lots of people think this is another hoax "false flag". These two Nigerians are actually Jews. The red double lines on the road should be yellow. Some of the other road markings are position markers for the actors. The blood on the video was edited in later by the zionists.
    They like to think they are outsmarting somebody by not being fooled. Im sure it is the major attraction to stupid conspiracy theories.
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #159 - May 27, 2013, 08:35 PM
    the killer was born in London to a Nigerian Christian family. He converted to Islam, and killed a soldier in the name of jihadi Islam, whilst Christian Nigerians are being killed almost ceaselessly by the Boko Haram jihadi group.

    Look at the knots that need to be untied in that.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #160 - May 27, 2013, 09:05 PM
    Quote from: dr_sloth on May 27, 2013, 08:24 PM
    lots of people think this is another hoax "false flag". These two Nigerians are actually Jews.........................


    london false-flag, even more pathetic than the boston-bombing

    Woolrich London Killing: Terrorism or False Flag? by Stephen Lendman

    How They Did It (Video) UK Soldier Beheaded? Hoax! NWO Terrorist Propaganda!
     
    Quote
    REGARDING THE BRITISH SOLDIER HACKED TO DEATH BY ISLAMISTS ..  Someone explain this one to me: watch the video and my request for explanations will be a little clearer. ..

    Two men who look like they have been smoking crack drive down a road in Woolwich, South East London, and run down a man.

    They they drag that man from where he lay after having been hit with the car and reportedly start hacking away at him with a knife and a meat cleaver.

    It has been reported that they tried to behead him.

    This is where it gets confusing:

    1. Lots of blood where the man was initially hit by the car.

    2. No blood surrounding the man despite reports that the two men ‘hacked away at him like a piece of meat’

    3. The two ‘hackers’ then proceed to interact with the watching public…a huge crowd…even giving interviews, explanations and offering apologies to women for having witnessed the attack.
    4. One witness says his mum or his friends mum asked the meat cleaver holding, knife waving, gun toting men if she could comfort the dying man as he passed away….erm, I thought he was beheaded?

    5. Since when did the public approach two maniacs with meat cleavers who are hacking away at a mans head and ask if they can have an interview or to ask if they can comfort the man they are hacking to ‘pieces’!

    6. As far as I am aware, hacking a human being to death and beheading him would have the attackers covered in blood….yet the attacker giving the interview has blood only on his hands – seems odd.
    ............................

    yada..yada..yada..yada...

    Very confusing! – Stop the New World Order

    VERY CONFUSING INDEED … – J

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #161 - May 27, 2013, 09:38 PM
    Quote from: LArc on May 27, 2013, 10:53 AM
    So of the 150-180,000 Iraqis killed, 130,000 (!!!) were victims of SECTARIAN "CIVIL" WAR and NOT the invasion (!!!).
    Again, of the 150-180,000 killed Iraqis, 20-50,000 were either terrorists, post-Saddam resistance, "collateral damage" or wrongful deaths caused by either Alliance Troops or Iraqi resistance forces/police.


    I think it's naive or innacurate to assume that the Anglo-American invasion itself played no part in or can be considered blameless when it comes to the sectarian civil war you refer to. Sectarian tensions/violence escalated as a direct result of invasion from 2003 onwards. Having said that, Saddam was a brutal dictator so he held Iraq together using murder and fear so the invasion in the long run is hopefully the lesser of two evils.

    "Top analysts in the CIA and State Department, as well as large numbers of Middle East experts, warned that a U.S. invasion of Iraq could result in a violent ethnic and sectarian conflict. Even some of the war's intellectual architects acknowledged as much: In a 1997 paper, prior to becoming major figures in the Bush foreign policy team, David Wurmser, Richard Perle, and Douglas Feith predicted that a post-Saddam Iraq would likely be “ripped apart” by sectarianism and other cleavages but called on the United States to “expedite” such a collapse anyway. "
    Source: http://www.fpif.org/articles/the_us_role_in_iraqs_sectarian_violence
    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #162 - May 27, 2013, 10:03 PM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on May 27, 2013, 09:38 PM
    I think it's naive or innacurate to assume that the Anglo-American invasion itself played no part in or can be considered blameless when it comes to the sectarian civil war you refer to. Sectarian tensions/violence escalated as a direct result of invasion from 2003 onwards. Having said that, Saddam was a brutal dictator so he held Iraq together using murder and fear so the invasion in the long run is hopefully the lesser of two evils.

    "Top analysts in the CIA and State Department, as well as large numbers of Middle East experts, warned that a U.S. invasion of Iraq could result in a violent ethnic and sectarian conflict. Even some of the war's intellectual architects acknowledged as much: In a 1997 paper, prior to becoming major figures in the Bush foreign policy team, David Wurmser, Richard Perle, and Douglas Feith predicted that a post-Saddam Iraq would likely be “ripped apart” by sectarianism and other cleavages but called on the United States to “expedite” such a collapse anyway. "
    Source: http://www.fpif.org/articles/the_us_role_in_iraqs_sectarian_violence


    When I start thinking about it, all I can say is... oh dear.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8moePxHpvok
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #163 - May 28, 2013, 06:37 PM
    Quote from: dr_sloth on May 27, 2013, 08:24 PM
    lots of people think this is another hoax "false flag". These two Nigerians are actually Jews. The red double lines on the road should be yellow. Some of the other road markings are position markers for the actors. The blood on the video was edited in later by the zionists.
    They like to think they are outsmarting somebody by not being fooled. Im sure it is the major attraction to stupid conspiracy theories.

    I'd like to scorn and simply dismiss these conspiracy theories, but they tend to eventually become so prevalent amongst the Muslim communities that I know, that they have a tendency to become 'the truth' within these communities. That's depressing on a number of levels. Firstly, it stops Muslims from looking out more closely at the threat that may develop from amongst them. Secondly, by blaming the Jews, or America, or MI5, the cycle of hatred that has been brewing for decades amongst some Muslims is further fuelled; eventually this same hatred may help in the process of taking over an impressionable young mind, whose buttons are pressed in exactly the right sequence, and who is exposed to exactly the wrong materials and lectures, and who finally may become convinced and driven enough to carry out his own personal act of jihad.

    In this day an age of videoed suicide notes, CCtv, electronic trails, and even (as in this instance) acts of terrorism that are caught on camera, you'd think that these individuals would struggle to dispute the facts that lay bare before their very eyes, and thus struggle to form conspiracy theories that are even slightly convincing enough to take off amongst them. But, manage that they do. Even seemingly moderate and sensible Muslims participate in pushing these conspiracies because it allows them to maintain their stance that Islam is the religion of peace; their sensibilities almost seem incapable of digesting anything else. Meanwhile, more hardened and bitter individuals latch on to these conspiracy because it fortifies their worldview that Islam is downtrodden, and deliberately kept from it's potential glorious new-age that awaits just around the corner. Sad thing is, the more you try to shoot these theories down, the more these guys think the world has got something to hide. How do we get over that and past that? I have no idea. Hoping you guys do?
    Hi
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #164 - May 28, 2013, 06:41 PM
    And which bit of 'cctv' needs capital letters, if any? I spent a good few minute agonising over that  wacko
    Hi
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #165 - May 28, 2013, 08:37 PM
    UK jail guards hurt in attack 'inspired by soldier murder'  says news[/url

    Quote
    Two prison officers have been injured in an attack at a British maximum security jail, officials said Tuesday, with media reports claiming the assailants were Muslim inmates inspired by the brutal murder of a soldier.
     
    Woolwich attack: Crazed extremists batter prison guard in assault sparked by death of Drummer Lee Rigby The terrified officer, in his 30s, was finally freed by a specialist riot squad who stormed the room where he was held for five hours and beaten mercilessly Prison staff feared their colleague, locked in a room and being attacked by crazed extremists, was facing the same gruesome death as murdered soldier Lee Rigby.

    The terrified officer, in his 30s, was finally freed by a specialist riot squad who stormed the room where he was held for five hours and beaten mercilessly by the extremists, who told him he would die. And the vicious assault was sparked by a simple call from a prison imam to pray for drummer Lee who was butchered in the street last week near his barracks in Woolwich, South East London.

    The ringleader of the prison attack flew into a rage at the request, insisting the 25-year-old’s murder was justified. Recruiting two fellow Muslims, an African-born fanatic and a British convert, they kidnapped the guard on Sunday and bundled him into a cleaning room at Full Sutton jail near York. Once inside, he was battered senseless with mop handles. The yobs threatened to pour caustic toilet cleaner into his eyes.


    well that is the new news on that .. 

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdCXhpCCj_w

    Eye of an eye.. tooth for tooth..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #166 - May 28, 2013, 08:44 PM
    Only education and critical thinking can help save some, but not all unfortunately. Just let them have their conspiracy theories, the rest of us will analyze the evidence and realize who is really delusional. Some of those being Muslims themselves who will start doing self-reflecting and may eventually end up here, or pushing for reform.  
    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #167 - May 28, 2013, 09:19 PM
    ENGLAND has told the English Defence League that they can stop trying to defend it now.
    The ancient nation is embarrassed that other countries think it needs the help of some scrawny, misspelled tattoo carriers who reek of chip fat...

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/were-good-thanks-england-tells-edl-2013052870112
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #168 - May 28, 2013, 09:41 PM
    Quote from: musivore on May 28, 2013, 06:37 PM
    Secondly, by blaming the Jews, or America, or MI5, the cycle of hatred that has been brewing for decades amongst some Muslims is further fuelled; eventually this same hatred may help in the process of taking over an impressionable young mind, whose buttons are pressed in exactly the right sequence, and who is exposed to exactly the wrong materials and lectures, and who finally may become convinced and driven enough to carry out his own personal act of jihad.

    Particularly depressing when the same guy that hates “the evil Zionists” (or whatever) for “faking Muslim terrorism” will then himself go terrorist, and the fact he himself is going terrorist won't lead him to question the conspiracy theory.
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #169 - May 28, 2013, 09:49 PM
    Though sometimes it's almost funny :
    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-iran-ahmadinejad-stop-spreading-911-conspiracy/story?id=14620643#.UaUlZlIoF38
    Yeah guys, let's have you argue together : while you are doing that, you're not bothering the rest of us dance.
    (Though Ahmadinejad is dead already, and I doubt Khamenei will take a new big-mouthed president like that, he seems pretty fed up with this)
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #170 - May 28, 2013, 10:41 PM
    Re the "conspiracy theory" idea, does this mean those pesky Zionists have infiltrated Iraqi/Pakistani/Syrian etc society as well to carry out suicide bombings only to stir things up in these otherwise well functioning countries and paint some of the muslim people there in a bad light, hum. . .? Thinking hard Thinking hard
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #171 - May 28, 2013, 10:48 PM
    I've had to re-register because my old email address is defunct.

    EDL is doing what EDL does, protesting, that's what it was set up to do.

    The problem now is that you don't need a knowledge of chemistry or electronics, all you need now is a car and a meat cleaver.
    So a green light has been lit and there will be more of the same and there is not a lot anyone can do about it.

    Arthur.
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #172 - May 28, 2013, 10:50 PM
    EDL is throwing petrol on the fire arthur, don't play the innocent EDL bullshit tune here any more.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #173 - May 28, 2013, 11:43 PM
    Quote from: arthur2 on May 28, 2013, 10:48 PM
    The problem now is that you don't need a knowledge of chemistry or electronics, all you need now is a car and a meat cleaver.
    So a green light has been lit and there will be more of the same and there is not a lot anyone can do about it.

    Yes, an astute point, my good chap. It is indeed a remarkable game-changing shift. Because we've never had cars and cleavers before now.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #174 - May 29, 2013, 07:59 AM
    Pictures of EDL members protesting in groups look uncannily like pictures of extremists protesting.  Insane, and full of hate, and seriously looking to hurt anyone who doesn't fit their profile.

    2 peas in a rotting pod. 
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #175 - May 29, 2013, 08:12 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on May 29, 2013, 07:59 AM
    2 peas in a rotting pod. 

    I've got to pick all my broad beans tomorrow before the pods rot. They're infested with blackfly.


    And no, Arthur, that was a not a political metaphor.

    Welcome back, by the way. Your EDL look like hooligan Klansmen in those balaclavas. I'm not sure it's quite the place for a fundamentally decent sort like you.
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #176 - May 29, 2013, 11:24 AM
    EDL are not killing people, we are not telling people to attack mosques or muslims, in fact it's the exact opposite, we are advising followers not to blame muslims, that it is Islamists and that's who we are protesting against.

    People like Choudary are the ones who are doing the radicalising of young vulnerable men and women and should be locked up.
    He is not a buffoon, he is a clever man and knows exactly what he is doing.

    Arthur.
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #177 - May 29, 2013, 11:29 AM
    Quote from: arthur2 on May 29, 2013, 11:24 AM
    EDL are not killing people, we are not telling people to attack mosques or muslims, in fact it's the exact opposite, we are advising followers not to blame muslims, that it is Islamists and that's who we are protesting against.


    Hi arthur2., Can Muslims join EDL?  Can EDL give Muslim folks a bit of space,  space to pray allah?

    Quote
    People like Choudary.................

    He is not a buffoon, he is a clever man and knows exactly what he is doing.


    No he is a bloody buffoon.. . And those who interview him on the the TV channels also buffoons.,   Tell that rascal to clean shave  and.. and present him a mirror., I will pay for it.  Tell him he looks far better without that baboon beard..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #178 - May 29, 2013, 11:56 AM
    Quote from: arthur2 on May 29, 2013, 11:24 AM
    EDL are not killing people, we are not telling people to attack mosques or muslims, in fact it's the exact opposite, we are advising followers not to blame muslims, that it is Islamists and that's who we are protesting against.

    People like Choudary are the ones who are doing the radicalising of young vulnerable men and women and should be locked up.
    He is not a buffoon, he is a clever man and knows exactly what he is doing.

    Arthur.


    No Arthur the EDL have truly revealed themselves to be opportunistic bigots heightening tensions and hatred this week. We knew that already. The world got a clearer sense of it in the aftermath of Drummer Lee Rigby's death.

    Some advice - quit the apologia.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #179 - May 29, 2013, 12:19 PM
    Quote from: arthur2 on May 29, 2013, 11:24 AM
    EDL are not killing people, we are not telling people to attack mosques or muslims, in fact it's the exact opposite, we are advising followers not to blame muslims, that it is Islamists and that's who we are protesting against.

    What would you say are the three greatest moments or crowning achievements of the EDL movement?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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