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  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #180 - May 29, 2013, 02:04 PM

    Finally managed to get round to chiming in on this hornets nest.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46Rxif313jU
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #181 - May 29, 2013, 03:18 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFjvGLWNTGA

    well that is from Nigeria in 2010., Interesting to see number of  south Asian kids in that court along with this fool., Three years of contact with London baboons along with Islamic potion is good enough to turn a Christian guy in to a Muslim Jihadi that can behead people for whatever is the reason..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #182 - May 31, 2013, 05:11 AM

    As I understand from Glenn Greenwaldat writings., there is indeed a clear justification for Muslims like  Michael Adebolajo to carry out London Horrific Murder on people like  British soldier who may have fought in Afghanistan and those who oppose Islamic rules such as Sharia laws..  


    Is Glenn Greenwald trying to take the islamic terror apologetics/american government bashing baton from Noam Chomsky ?


    Greenwald has always been spouting these nasty views; nothing new there.


    Glen Greenwald is a twat. 


    These twats, how dare they have a different view than yourself, they simply must be nasty twats. How dare they claim that drone strikes possibly cause more terrorists and or sympathisers and how dare they criticise the US government. The nerve of Chomsky, that Islamist anarchist communist weirdo.



    Well I lost interest in this story very fast. I first felt a sick feeling in my stomach when I saw the man's bloody hands. I was shocked at his indifference to what just happened. Is this man even normal? No. I read that he trained with some terrorist organisation while he wasn't in Britain. No wonder - no normal human can do that. He has a military mentality. He needs to be locked up and rehabbed as to what is and is not acceptable behaviour in civilised society.
    I then shed a tear for the soldier's wife after seeing her cry on TV. That was incredibly hurtful. Especially seeing her little boy. fml
    But that was absolutely it. I completely lost interest as people went on to debate what is or isn't "terrorism" or if the Muslims need to apologise louder for this. I just don't care anymore. I lose my sympathy when I see riots and political bullshit. *shrug* meh.

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #183 - May 31, 2013, 05:15 PM

     Violence only brings more violence, there is a very thin line between justice and revenge. Meanwhile was anything to done to save the children and people being victims of drone attacks? Is it going to stop the wars, is it going to make foreigners leave Muslim lands? Nope.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #184 - May 31, 2013, 06:02 PM

    Drones have a lower civilian casualty rate then sending in ground troops or using fighter pilots

    Also where the drone attacks is places where the people harbor terrorists. If you keep 7 hide a drug trafficker in your house you can't complain when the police raid/attack it.
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #185 - June 02, 2013, 09:22 PM

    The ideology behind Lee Rigby's murder is profound and dangerous.  writes  Tony Blair

    Quote
    The ideology behind Lee Rigby's murder is profound and dangerous. Why don't we admit it? by Tony Blair

    There is only one view of the murder of Lee Rigby: horrific. But there are two views of its significance. One is that it is the act of crazy people, motivated in this case by a perverted idea about Islam, but of no broader significance. Crazy people do crazy things. So don’t overreact.

    The other view is that this act was indeed horrible; and that the ideology which inspired it is profound and dangerous. I am of this latter view.

    So of course we shouldn’t overreact. We didn’t after July 7, 2005. But we did act. And we were right to. The actions by our security services will undoubtedly have prevented other serious attacks.  The ‘Prevent’ programme in local communities was sensible. The new measures of the Government seem reasonable and proportionate. However, we are deluding ourselves if we believe that we can protect this country simply by what we do here. The ideology is out there. It isn’t diminishing.

    Consider the Middle East. As of now, Syria is in a state of accelerating disintegration. President Assad is brutally pulverising communities hostile to his regime. At least 80,000 have died. The refugees now total more than one million. The internally displaced are more than four million. Many in the region believe that the Assad intention is to ethnically cleanse the Sunni from the areas dominated by his regime and then form a separate state around Lebanon. There would then be a de facto Sunni state in the rest of Syria, cut off from the wealth of the country or the sea. The Syrian opposition is made up of many groups. The fighters are increasingly the Al Qaeda- affiliated group Jabhat al-Nusra. They are winning support, and arms and money from outside the country.

    Assad is using chemical weapons on a limited but deadly scale. Some of the stockpiles are in fiercely contested areas.The overwhelming desire of the West is to stay out of it. This is completely understandable. But we must also understand: we are at the beginning of this tragedy. Its capacity to destabilise the region is clear.

    Jordan is behaving with exemplary courage, but there is a limit to the refugees it can reasonably be expected to absorb. Lebanon is now fragile as Iran pushes Hezbollah into the battle. Al Qaeda is back trying to cause carnage in Iraq and Iran continues its gruesome meddling there.

    To the South in Egypt and across North Africa, Muslim Brotherhood parties are in power, but the contradiction between their ideology and their ability to run modern economies means that they face growing instability and pressure from more extreme groups. Then there is the Iranian regime, still intent on getting a nuclear weapon, still exporting terror and instability to the West and the east of it. In sub-Saharan Africa, Nigeria is facing awful terror attacks. In Mali, France has been fighting a pretty tough battle.

    And we haven’t mentioned Pakistan or Yemen. Go to the Far East and look at the western border between Burma and Bangladesh. Look at recent events in Bangladesh itself, or the Mindanao dispute in the Muslim region of the Philippines. In many of the most severely affected areas, one other thing is apparent: a rapidly growing population. The median age in the Middle East is in the mid-20s. In Nigeria it’s 19. In Gaza, where Hamas hold power, a quarter of the population is under five.

    When I return to Jerusalem soon, it will be my 100th visit to the Middle East since leaving office, working to build a Palestinian state. I see first-hand in this region what is happening. So I understand the desire to look at this world and explain it by reference to local grievances, economic alienation and of course ‘crazy people’. But are we really going to examine it and find no common thread, nothing that joins these dots, no sense of an ideology driving or at least exacerbating it all?

    There is not a problem with Islam. For those of us who have studied it, there is no doubt about its true and peaceful nature. There is not a problem with Muslims in general. Most in Britain will be horrified at Lee Rigby’s murder. But there is a problem within Islam – from the adherents of an ideology that is a strain within Islam. And we have to put it on the table and be honest about it.

    Of course there are Christian extremists and Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu ones. But I am afraid this strain is not the province of a few extremists. It has at its heart a view about religion and about the interaction between religion and politics that is not compatible with pluralistic, liberal, open-minded societies. At the extreme end of the spectrum are terrorists, but the world view goes deeper and wider than it is comfortable for us to admit. So by and large we don’t admit it. This has two effects. First, those with that view think we are weak and that gives them strength.

    Second, those within Islam – and the good news is there are many – who actually know this problem exists and want to do something about it, lose heart. All over the Middle East and beyond there is a struggle being played out. On the one side, there are Islamists who have this exclusivist and reactionary world view. They are a significant minority, loud and well organised. On the other are the modern-minded, those who hated the old oppression by corrupt dictators and who hate the new oppression by religious fanatics. They are potentially the majority, but unfortunately they are badly organised.

    The seeds of future fanaticism and terror, possibly even major conflict, are being sown. We have to help sow seeds of reconciliation and peace. But clearing the ground for peace is not always peaceful. The long and hard conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq have made us wary of any interventions abroad. But we should never forget why they were long and hard. We allowed failed states to come into being.

    Saddam was responsible for two major wars, in which hundreds of thousands died, many by chemical weapons. He killed similar numbers of his own people. The Taliban grew out of the Russian occupation of Afghanistan and made the country into a training ground for terror. Once these regimes were removed, both countries have struggled against the same forces promoting violence and terror in the name of religion everywhere. Not every engagement need be military; or where military, involve troops. But disengaging from this struggle won’t bring us peace.

    Neither will security alone. We resisted revolutionary communism by being resolute on security; but we defeated it by a better idea: Freedom. We can do the same with this. The better idea is a modern view of religion and its place in society and politics. There has to be respect and equality between people of different faiths. Religion must have a voice in the political system but not govern it.

    We have to start with how to educate children about faith, here and abroad. That is why I started a foundation whose specific purpose is to educate children of different faiths across the world to learn about each other and live with each other. We are now in 20 countries and the programmes work. But it is a drop in the ocean compared with the flood of intolerance taught to so many. Now, more than ever, we have to be strong and we have to be strategic.


    well that is what Tony Blair writes.. Hmm He could be a News paper column writer..  I guess  he learned a lot about religion in recent years specially after debating with Christopher Hitchens

    That was Christopher Hitchens long Last debate..   Rest in Peace CH., there are plenty of folks on this earth who will learn from you as long as internet is on this earth and beyond..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #186 - June 02, 2013, 11:14 PM

    The same Tony Blair who was too much of a moral coward to do anything about it when he was in power. Naff off, sunshine.
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #187 - June 08, 2013, 12:52 PM

    Michael Adebolajo, That insane brutal rogue who butchered British soldier Lee Rigby to death says "I’m a man, I’m a soldier, I’m a British citizen,’" .. off course that silly book Quran in hand..



    Court artist sketch of Michael Adebolajo (Picture: Elizabeth Cook/PA)
    Quote
    Suspect Michael Adebolajo, 28, repeatedly interrupted proceedings during a bail hearing this afternoon at the Old Baily, appearing via video link.

    ‘I’m a man, I’m a soldier, I’m a British citizen,’ he said, with a plaster cast visible on his left arm.
    Interrupting judge Mr Justice Sweeney, he added:

     ‘It’s not about you.  ‘This whole trial is about more than that. It’s not about me, even though I played a major part in proceedings. ‘Really and truly it’s about the good, honest, decent, hardworking British members of society, whether they be Muslim or non-Muslim.

    ‘They are the ones that have suffered the most…’ It’s possible throughout life that people may sometimes smother you and say things about you that are false,’ he also said.

    ‘But as a regular citizen and human being, we have to get over it.
    ‘I believe that the British people are decent. From my experience growing up in my country, only a fraction will wish to slander and lie against me. ‘But the rest would prefer to know the truth, even if the truth came back to bite me on the buttock.’

    Great., see.. he is a human being.. and he is after truth....Islamic truth..

    no one said "he is an animal in human shape.."
     
    See..how smart, how intelligent and how  thoughtful is that Islamic hero in that court room.... smart cookie.,   Brainless thought less pathetic brutal rogue...  trying to defend his actions without a remorse..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #188 - June 08, 2013, 11:06 PM

    I don't think that guy is right in the head.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #189 - June 09, 2013, 09:06 AM

    Yeez or the other one?

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #190 - June 09, 2013, 11:56 AM

    The other one.   Cheesy

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #191 - June 09, 2013, 12:00 PM

    The other one.   Cheesy

     finmad finmad

    osmanthus  we should ban Cheetah  and we should finger Cheetah's computer .. join with me..  finmad

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #192 - June 09, 2013, 12:09 PM

    Um....okay, maybe both of them. 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #193 - June 09, 2013, 01:26 PM

    60 minutes did a segment on this murder tonight. It was incredibly biased. As far as I can remember, this sad excuse for a program has been giving a platform to the likes of Siddiq-Conlon and that bastard whose name I can't even remember right now.....Shariah for UK guy.
    Tonight, 60 minutes interviewed more mentally challenged extremists who said the soldier deserved what he got.

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #194 - June 09, 2013, 01:38 PM

    60 minutes did a segment on this murder tonight. It was incredibly biased. As far as I can remember, this sad excuse for a program has been giving a platform to the likes of Siddiq-Conlon and that bastard whose name I can't even remember right now.....Shariah for UK guy.
    Tonight, 60 minutes interviewed more mentally challenged extremists who said the soldier deserved what he got.

    If news and Tv + websites don't give platforms to these guys  and not allow then rant out their rubbish and ban everything what they say., then how would we know what they want and how would we interact/dialogue with them??   They will end up in Ghettos and collect some criminal minded fit for nothing fools and create more problems.  I say it is good to talk to them. That is one thing it bother me., for e.g. In forums like CEMB many of the Muslim folks get banned..

    Anyways let us watch Sharia heroes of Islam

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4LoP_rb1dI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZXvAiva8GA

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #195 - June 10, 2013, 08:27 PM

    Quote
    It’s not about you.  ‘This whole trial is about more than that. It’s not about me, even though I played a major part in proceedings. ‘Really and truly it’s about the good, honest, decent, hardworking British members of society, whether they be Muslim or non-Muslim.

    Interesting to see how his internal dialogue is turning to "victim"- his mind will process this as a conspiracy against him. I wonder who will get the blame for that "injustice"?
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #196 - June 15, 2013, 09:49 AM

    Quote
    ‘I believe that the British people are decent. From my experience growing up in my country, only a fraction will wish to slander and lie against me. ‘But the rest would prefer to know the truth, even if the truth came back to bite me on the buttock.’


    this guy is capable of hacking someone to death but cannot bring himself to say  the word 'arse' ?
    If i ever have to be slaughtered in the street one day I hope it is by someone as polite and nice as this. Tongue

    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #197 - June 17, 2013, 09:07 AM

    60 minutes did a segment on this murder tonight. It was incredibly biased. As far as I can remember, this sad excuse for a program has been giving a platform to the likes of Siddiq-Conlon and that bastard whose name I can't even remember right now.....Shariah for UK guy. 
    Tonight, 60 minutes interviewed more mentally challenged extremists who said the soldier deserved what he got.


    Didn't they say they were approached by those dudes in Lakemba? If that's the case, it's pretty typical for Muslim thugs to harass the media on their "turf". Like street gangs, really. 

    I agree that current affairs shows tend to be sensationalist and not completely accurate. I don't see that guyliner freak anymore (I think I read he was caught with child porn last year) and never got why they kept giving the nutter a platform. He was batshit and didn't have anywhere near enough clout to warrant the amount of free publicity he was given by ACA/today tonight. Who would've even have known who he was if not for their shoving him in our faces at every opportunity? Although, Andy Choudhary was somewhat relevant to this particular murder because the murderer was a part of his group so it's a bit different in this case. 
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #198 - July 25, 2013, 03:55 PM


    How I Became A Muslim Extremist

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doDQhevVAKk

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #199 - December 06, 2013, 11:35 AM

    Found this interesting.

    Quote
    'I watched a man stabbed in a London street - and felt nothing'


    Maajid Nawaz spent 13 years inside Islamist organisation
    Mr Nawaz was caught up in aftermath of Jihadist street murder
    Says he can understand how Woolwich accused can be filled with such hate




    Most people find it hard to imagine stabbing another human being, let alone almost decapitating someone with a meat cleaver. To do so in broad daylight and in the middle of the road, while asking passers-by to take pictures, simply beggars belief.

    Few can understand how the British jihadists Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale could be filled with such hate. I’m ashamed to say I can. For I was similar to them once.

    I spent 13 years inside Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT), the global Islamist organisation that first spawned  al-Muhajiroun, the banned Islamist terrorist organisation founded by Omar Bakri Mohammed and Anjem Choudary.

    Bakri and Choudary both knew Adebolajo, a 28-year-old who was raised as a Christian. Like Adebolajo, I was raised in Essex in  an educated, middle-class and well integrated family.

    Again, like Adebolajo, I went on to further education, although he dropped out while I gained a law and Arabic degree from The School of African and Oriental Studies and a Masters in political theory from the London School of Economics.

    (The belief that all radicalised young Muslims must lack jobs or are socially awkward loners is a dangerous misconception. I did not lack career opportunities, nor did I lack friends or girlfriends.)

    And I, too, was caught up in the aftermath of a Jihadist street murder in which a man was killed with a machete. It was 1995 and I was president of the Student Union at Newham College in East Ham. The union was nothing but a front for HT. We syphoned off money to our cause, giving lectures and preaching anywhere and everywhere – the street, the yard, the canteen where I would stand on the tables and spout hate.

    We were encouraged by Omar Bakri to operate like street gangs and we did, prowling London, fighting Indian Sikhs in the west and African Christians in the east.  We intimidated Muslim women until they wore the hijab and we thought we were invincible.

    And when an acquaintance of mine, Saeed Nur, slashed a Nigerian student, Ayotunde Obanubi, shouting the same battle cry as the Woolwich attackers, ‘Allahu Akbar’ – God is Great – I watched him die and felt nothing. I did not incite the murder but I did nothing to stop it.

    So how did it reach that point? And what turns a tiny minority of ordinary, young, Muslim men into fanatical, cold-blooded killers?

    For my own part, once I became a teenager I experienced severe and violent racism. The neo-Nazi para-military group Combat 18 began to target me and my friends. On a few occasions I was forced to watch as white friends were stabbed merely for being associated with me.

    At 15, I was falsely arrested at gunpoint for playing with a plastic gun. This was the early 1990s, genocide was unfolding in Bosnia, while the international community failed to act. Add this to my own internal identity crisis – I didn’t know if I was British or Pakistani, Muslim or agnostic – and my disenfranchisement from mainstream society was complete.

    However, it’s what happened next that sealed my fate. I needed someone who could guide a broken and confused 16-year-old. Instead, I came across a charismatic recruiter espousing HT’s cause who sold me the ideology of Islamism in the name of Islam.

    But Islamism is not Islam. Islamism is the politicisation of Islam, the desire to impose a version of this ancient faith over society. To achieve this, Islamism uses political grievances, such as mine, to alienate and then provide an alternative sense of belonging to vulnerable young Muslims.Preying on the grievances of disaffected young men is the bedrock of Islamism.

    Like all bigoted ideologies, it plays on the identity politics game, creating a ‘them and us’, in order to provide a home for the ‘us’ against the alien ‘other’ and control the community by acting as the sole ‘representative’ of Muslims.

    One of the Woolwich Jihaidsts ranted to onlookers, ‘you’ have occupied ‘our’ lands. Spreading this sense of exclusive Muslim victimhood is crucial to the radicalisation process. I continued to spread hate for many years after Obanubi’s murder, co-founding branches in Denmark and Pakistan where we targeted army officers in order to incite military coups.

    I was aiming to do the same thing in Egypt in 2001, when I was arrested and was forced to witness people being tortured. Eventually I was convicted of ‘membership of a banned organisation’ and sentenced to serve five years in Mazra Tora prison where deposed dictator Hosni Mubarak is now held.

    It was then I began to sift through my layers of hatred and ignorance. I also encountered the kindness of strangers, especially Amnesty International whose campaign to win my release was led by an octogenarian in England I’d never met.

    After much soul searching I was able to renounce my past Islamist ideology, challenging everything I was once prepared to die for.

    De-radicalisation begins by breaking down the logic which once seemed unassailable and rethinking what you are fighting for and why. That is hard to do when Islamists and Islamophobes feed off each other’s hateful cliches.

    We must not blame the security services for what happened. As long as a man can pick up a knife, these murders will be impossible to predict. The only way to try and prevent it happening again is to give those angry young Muslims another outlet. I have founded Khudi, in Pakistan, a youth movement which tries to counter extremist ideology through healthy discussion and debate.

    I believe we need a similar grassroots movement in Britain. The only way we can challenge Islamism is to engage with one another. We need to make it as abhorrent as racism has become today. Only then will we stem the tide of angry young Muslims who turn to hate.

    Only then will they stop listening to people like Omar Bakri Mohammed and Anjem Choudary.

    lMaajid Nawaz is author  of Radical: My Journey From Islamist Extremism To A Democratic Awakening.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2331021/I-watched-man-stabbed-London-street--felt-nothing.html

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #200 - December 06, 2013, 11:57 AM



    I was casually checking where  he went to college   and found he was in that LSE
    Quote
    Maajid Nawaz

    Born   Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex, England
    Nationality   British
    Education   A Levels at Westcliff High School for Boys, BA in Law and Arabic School of Oriental and African Studies, and MSc in Political Theory London School of Economics
    Alma mater   School of Oriental and African Studies, and London University, London School of Economics
    ...............................
    Website
    quilliamfoundation.org

    maajidnawaz.com

    That london school of economics appears to be ..london school of extremism

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #201 - December 06, 2013, 12:01 PM

    He's said multiple times there was an extremist element there he involved himself with. Doesn't exactly hide the fact.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #202 - December 06, 2013, 01:52 PM

    He's said multiple times there was an extremist element there he involved himself with. Doesn't exactly hide the fact.

    Maajid Nawaz  is a great guy and has turned   his life around 180.  Becoming an extremist is not that difficult in the present times where kids grow up in a very lonely environment and get brain washed by these smooth talking rascals in these religious gatherings. Add to that bit of frustration, family troubles, and race relations on the roads/in schools..  any one can become  that young Maajid Nawaz...

    I am so glad for him and he is doing a wonderful job with the frustrated youth from Land of Pure...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #203 - December 06, 2013, 02:02 PM

    Quote
    Becoming an extremist is not that difficult in the present times where kids grow up in a very lonely environment and get brain washed by these smooth talking rascals in these religious gatherings. Add to that bit of frustration, family troubles, and race relations on the roads/in schools..  any one can become  that young Maajid Nawaz


    Completely agree with you there. It's part of the reason I'm careful to differentiate between people who are muslim just going about there lives and the poisonous cunts working for their own ends. I've said before I'm happy the UK is so accepting of muslims and that most of them consider this to be their home. It's so important they feel at home and can freely practise their religion, and equally important to call out the ones trying to stir up trouble and make lives difficult for everyone.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #204 - December 06, 2013, 07:01 PM

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    British soldier's alleged killer 'told police he went for jugular as he was hacked to death in London street because that is how animals are killed in Islam'


    Michael Adebolajo told police in interview that he and Michael Adebowale waited at Woolwich Barracks to target a soldier
    Fusilier Rigby 'just so happened to be spotted first', he added
    Defendant said he cut soldier's throat because that is 'most humane'
    He added that he wanted to meet Rigby's family and had no 'vendetta'

    An Islamic extremist admitted trying to behead Fusilier Lee Rigby because ‘the most humane way to kill any creature is to cut the jugular’, a court heard yesterday.

    Michael Adebolajo, 28, said he drove his car into Mr Rigby before he sawed his neck and then ‘attempted to remove his head’, the jury was told.

    During a series of police interviews which were played to the Old Bailey yesterday, Adebolajo said he and his accomplice Michael Adebowale, 22, waited near Woolwich Barracks for a soldier to appear.

    He said that they attacked the soldier as he was a ‘fair target’ and because they ‘wished to fulfil our promise to Allah’.

    The defendant said they selected Mr Rigby simply because he was the first soldier to appear on the South London street where they were waiting on May 22. ‘It was almost as if Allah had chosen him,’ he said. When I thought about obeying Allah in the past I thought maybe it is possible to kill a man by driving into him.

    ‘When he crossed the road in front of me so casually it was almost as if I was not in control of myself. I accelerated, I hit him and I think I also crashed into a sign post.

    ‘We did not wish to give him much pain...I could see he was still alive. We exited the vehicle and I am not sure how I struck the first blow.

    ‘The most humane way to kill any creature is to cut the jugular. This is what I believe. This is how we kill our animals in Islam. He may be my enemy but he is a man...so I struck at the neck and attempted to remove his head.’

    Adebolajo was then asked if he had expected to die on the day of the attack. He replied: ‘To be killed on the battlefield is not something we shy away from and, in fact, this is something that Allah loves.’

    The footage of the interviews at Southwark Police Station shows Adebolajo wearing a blue blanket, which at some points almost completely covered his face.

    At times the suspect stooped down and appeared to read passages from a gold and black copy of the Koran which was lying open on the table in front of him. He repeatedly asked to be called Mujahid Abu Hamza and stormed out of two of the four interviews after becoming angry.

    During the first interview he ranted for 40 minutes, often wagging a finger in the air, about British troops ‘committing mass murder’ in Muslim lands. He said there was a ‘war between Muslims and the British people’ and he was a ‘soldier of Allah’.

    When asked about the soldier’s killing, he said: ‘He was struck on the neck with a sharp implement and it was sawn until his head, you know, became almost unattached.


    'And may Allah forgive me if I acted in a way that’s displeasing to him.’

    Giving evidence at the Old Bailey yesterday, Detective Constable Dhuval Bhatt said he conducted an urgent interview with Adebolajo while he was still being treated in hospital to establish if there were going to be further attacks.

    Adebolajo and Adebowale deny murdering Mr Rigby, conspiring to murder a police officer and attempted murder.  They admit possessing a firearm. The trial continues.


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #205 - December 10, 2013, 02:11 AM

    The Man Murdered that UK soldier and tried to behead him is back in the news

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    LONDON: A man accused of the gruesome murder of a British soldier told his trial on Monday that he loves Al-Qaeda and considers the Islamic militants to be his "brothers". Michael Adebolajo, 28, sat surrounded by security guards as he began giving evidence in his trial at London's Old Bailey court.
     
    He and Michael Adebowale, 22, are accused of murdering 25-year-old soldier Lee Rigby in broad daylight as he walked back to his London barracks in May. The court has heard that the pair ran Rigby over with a car before attacking him with knives. Adebolajo attempted to behead him with a meat cleaver.
     
    The defendants, both Britons of Nigerian descent, deny murder. The soldier's family sat just metres (feet) from Adebolajo in the courtroom  as he said: "Al-Qaeda, I consider to be mujahideen. I love them, they're my brothers."
     
    The defendant, who wore a black Islamic robe, added that he has never met members of the militant group. The trial heard last week that Adebolajo told police he and Adebowale targeted a soldier because they believed this was "the most fair target" in an attack aimed at avenging the deaths of Muslims abroad.
     
    Adebolajo said on Monday that they attacked Rigby "for one reason and one reason only -- that's foreign policy". The jury heard that he was raised as a Christian but converted to Islam in his first year at Greenwich University in south London, close to where Rigby was killed, in 2002 or 2003.
     
    "My religion is everything," the married father-of-six told the court.
     
    Growing up in Romford, east of London, he said that the "vast majority" of his school friends were white Britons. One of them had joined the army and was killed in Iraq. Adebolajo said he held former prime minister Tony Blair, who sent British forces to join the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, "responsible" for his friend's death.
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    Adebolajo tried to travel to Somalia in 2010 but was captured in Kenya and brought back to Britain, the court heard. He said that before the brutal attack on Rigby, he had attended demonstrations organised by an Islamist group banned under British anti-terror laws, but then realised the protests were "impotent rage".
     
    "In reality, no demonstration will make a difference," he added. The defendant, who has asked to be called Mujaahid Abu Hamza in court, said several times that he was a "soldier" and that he did not regret what happened to Rigby.

     
    "I will never regret obeying the command of Allah. That is all I can say," he said.  He told police after the brutal attack on May 22 that he tried to behead Rigby because it was the most "humane" way to kill him, comparing it to halal butchery methods. (AFP) 

    well that is the news...   That brute is 25 years of age and  father of  6 children....

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #206 - December 10, 2013, 12:25 PM

    I was casually checking where  he went to college   and found he was in that LSEThat london school of economics appears to be ..london school of extremism


    Actually, SOAS was probably worse for HT type activity in the 90s (assuming that he'd have gone in the 90s). I applied to it back in 1995, but the main reason I turned down a place there was an encounter with some members of the local HT contingent on my interview day..
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #207 - December 11, 2013, 10:27 AM

    Have to ask a slightly weird(?) question - did this terrorist attack really affect anyone personally?

    I always felt that perhaps I could go back to Islam if it was reformed and liberal (mostly like a 0.00000001% chance) but after this evil tragedy I don't think I could ever, ever do that. This attack was pure evil and its rare to see that occur on an average day in broad daylight in Britain in front of so many people. I can't get this story out of my mind, it seems to linger around so much. I feel sometime I want to cry for the innocent Mr Rigby, on his way in life and just killed for no reason. :(

    Did you also notice he said he cut the jugular vein? In the slaughter of Halal meat they do the same, was he therefore saying his attack was a representation of him slaughtering a human which he saw no better than an animal?
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #208 - December 19, 2013, 09:53 PM

    Have to ask a slightly weird(?) question - did this terrorist attack really affect anyone personally?

    what do you think about that question yourself  BreakerofVows?   ., did that brutal killing of  Lee Rigby by these two rogues in the name of Islam with "alhhooo akbbar we are the allah soldiers" . Does that sort of killing people on the roads affect people who are in Islam, who are ex-Muslims and who go in and out of Islam  or not?
     
    Any  ways Today's news says with this picture

     

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    Two men guilty of UK soldier murder: jury

    LONDON: Two British-born, al-Qaida-inspired extremists who considered themselves "soldiers of Allah" were convicted Thursday of murdering an off-duty serviceman who was run down with a car and stabbed to death in a frenzied attack on a London street.
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    The jury of eight women and four men deliberated for just 90 minutes before finding Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale guilty of murdering Fusilier Lee Rigby. They were acquitted of attempting to murder a police officer. The two men will be sentenced early next year.
     
    Neither defendant reacted as the jury foreman announced the verdicts. Adebolajo, at 29 the elder of the two, smiled and kissed a copy of the Quran as he was led down to the cells. Members of Rigby's family stood in tears outside London's Central Criminal Court as a police officer read out a statement on their behalf.
     
    "We are satisfied that justice has been done," the statement said. "But unfortunately no amount of justice will bring Lee back." Adebolajo and 22-year-old Adebowale had pleaded not guilty to murder, though neither denied taking part in the May 22 attack.
     
    The 25-year-old Rigby, a member of the Royal Fusiliers who had served in Afghanistan, was returning on foot to his barracks in south London when he was hit by the car being driven by Adebolajo. As the soldier lay on the ground, Adebowale repeatedly stabbed him and Adebolajo attempted to cut off his head.
     
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    One witness described the attack, which took place on a busy street near a primary school, as looking "like a butcher attacking a joint of meat." Adebolajo was filmed by a passer-by moments later, covered in blood and holding a cleaver and a knife, justifying the attack "because Muslims are dying daily by British soldiers."
     
    "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth," he said repeatedly on the
     
    Adebolajo later told the police, in an interview played in court, that he and Adebowale had decided to kill a British soldier, and Rigby had been targeted because "he was the soldier that was spotted first."

     
    Adebowale, who has suffered mental health issues since his arrest, chose to present no evidence in his defense during the three-week trial. His lawyer, Abbas Lakha, told the jury that his client agreed with Adebolajo's description of the attack as a "military operation" and the two men as soldiers. After the attack the two killers waited at the scene, and then charged at a police car waving a machete and a gun.
     
    Both men had denied trying to kill a police officer, saying they hoped to provoke police into shooting them. Lakha said Adebowale had brandished a 90-year-old unloaded pistol so he "would achieve martyrdom."
     
    Armed officers shot the two men several times — blowing off Adebowale's thumb as he raised the gun — then gave them first aid.
     
    The savagery of the crime, Adebolajo's bloodthirsty rhetoric — delivered in a London accent — and the ordinary working-day surroundings all helped make the killing a crime that inflamed fears of Islamic extremist terrorism in Britain. It was followed by a spate of attacks on mosques and Islamic centers, and by protests from far-right groups.
     


    Police contrasted the savagery of the attack with the bravery and compassion of passers-by. One woman tried to comfort Rigby as he lay in the street. Another tried to persuade Adebolajo to put down his weapons.
     
    Farooq Murad, secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, called the murder a "barbaric act."
     
    "Muslim communities then, as now, were united in their condemnation of this crime," he said.....(AP)

    well read the rest at that link..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Beheading in Woolwich
     Reply #209 - December 19, 2013, 11:34 PM

    Have to ask a slightly weird(?) question - did this terrorist attack really affect anyone personally?

    Yeah, my partner is ex-forces, so this really felt personal. It's uncomfortable to even think about.

    Did you also notice he said he cut the jugular vein? In the slaughter of Halal meat they do the same, was he therefore saying his attack was a representation of him slaughtering a human which he saw no better than an animal?

    Yeah, it's a ritualistic killing. A religious killing. It struck me as cold, unfeeling protocol rather than a mindless act of anger and violence, and the murderer's insanity is that of someone who feels they were just doing their duty. It's blood chilling. Pure psychopathy.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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