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  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     OP - July 02, 2013, 08:44 AM



    An ex-Muslim woman has just started this blog.


    ++++++++++


    What it is like to be a Muslim woman, and why we know what freedom is (and you may not)


    POSTED ON JULY 1, 2013 BY NIETZSCHESBREECHES

    I have keys.

    When I first moved to the United States eleven months ago, it took me several weeks to grasp this bit of information.

    I have keys.

    I have keys to my own front door and I can open this front door and walk down the street whenever I want to.

    I can walk down the street without being watched through the windows and without anyone calling my parents and telling them I am roaming loose on the street.

    I can walk down the street, sit down on a bench under a tree, and eat an iced cream cone. Then I can stand up and walk back home.

    There will be nobody waiting for me at my house to ask me where I have been, refuse to let me in, call me a liar, and use my walk as renewed incentive to rifle through all of my possessions for proof that I am doing something wrong.

    Because the simple desire to take a walk cannot but hide something deviant.

    Because there is no good reason why a woman should want to walk down the street just to walk, and expose herself to the questioning and predatory eyes of the neighbors and strange men.

    I have keys to my front door, now, and I can open my front door and walk down the street whenever I want to.

    In the first weeks when I was in the United States, I had so much fear and trembling at this freedom. I stayed in my apartment alone during my first two days in my new home, and when I did finally venture out, I checked to make sure my keys and ID and wallet were in my purse a thousand times. I wore long, flowing dresses and tied my hair up in a scarf even though it was August and very hot, even though I am an atheist who happens to find no personal value in modesty, even though I was not going out to meet anybody and knew not a single man in town, even though I tried to convince myself that in this land it wouldn’t matter if I was. I looked around every corner and checked over my shoulder in case my father was somehow watching, lurking.

    It took a couple of months to stop expecting to see my father in a place I was going or coming from.

    I soon got into the groove of my new life, my new graduate program, my teaching and department readings and events. I actually went to bars and stopped feeling guilty about it. I met people. I made friendships, some of them with men, none of them that I had to hide or lie about. I had sexual and romantic relationships.

    And all this while, and even now, it sometimes feels like I am another person living a distant dream. A phantom woman. A woman who is only pretending to do things and be things that were never hers.

    Even now, I sometimes cannot believe I am not hallucinating all of this from a dark room in Beirut.

    Even now, I wake up from dreams of Lebanon and think, “I have my own place. My front door. MY key. And I can open the door and walk out into the street? Whenever I want? And I have MY papers and MY things and MY income? And I can just go somewhere. When I want? I can do this?”

    It must be a sick joke.

    And I can be at the library however late I want without panicking and fearing for my safety once I go home? Without knowing the neighbors will call me a whore? I can have people over when the sun is down and some of them can be men and we can play games and eat and drink and talk together and nobody will hurt me because of it?

    Yes.

    And if I leave something someplace, I will come back and find it where I left it, unless I moved it myself.

    And if it’s somewhere else, it is likely I moved it and forgot, and I will not start panicking, wondering where and why and how it was moved. I will not wonder: if whoever moved it saw it, did they see that other thing and did they do something with it and what do they know and what do they not know?

    Even though I am hiding simple things. A tube of mascara. Some lacy underwear just to see what it feels like to wear that. A poem I really love from the persona of the devil. Something written by a Jewish author. A novel a boy in my class gifted to me. A box of tampons.

    I can write things without hiding, coding, burying, and stashing them. I can make notes for myself in a notebook that are for my eyes only without fearing anybody reading them and demanding I reveal their meaning. I can have a password on my computer and to my email and facebook accounts that my parents do not know. I can save my contacts under their real names and not under various female pseudonyms.

    I can keep my texts when I receive them and not instantly erase them. I can take my phone off silent mode and if it vibrates in my pocket I can take it out and answer it or turn it off without having a panic attack and without having to find a reasonable excuse to sneak out of the room without seeming flustered.

    I can talk on the phone without somebody listening on the other end.

    I can ignore a phonecall from my father when I am in class or teaching.

    I can forget my phone in another room and not be asked where I am and with whom, and what I am doing because I missed a call from him.

    If I spend more than five minutes in the bathroom, nobody will bang on my door demanding to know what I am doing in there.

    I can shave my legs without being interrogated as to why I’d do such a thing when nobody ever sees them.

    I can brush my hair and look in the mirror and try on clothes and try to feel like I can manipulate and move and enjoy my body, try to feel pretty, without being interrogated and asked who he is and how long I have been seeing him and what I am doing with him and whether I am a prostitute or pregnant.

    I can slim down inadvertently or say I am not hungry for dinner without anybody demanding to know why and for whom I am trying to lose weight,.

    I can shower without being asked why.

    I can smile because I had a good day at work without being forced to explain why I am so happy.

    I can cry at my empty, robotic life without being forced to explain why I am unhappy.

    I can have facial expressions. Facial expressions.

    I can have facial expressions.

    I can have facial expressions.

    It has been so hard to train myself to voice my feelings and opinions. To turn my face on.

    I can sit however I want within my own house without being told that the position my legs are in is immodest.

    I can stay up late doing work and reading philosophy or just derping around on teh interwebz without being forced to go to bed.

    I can read and use the internet without surveillance and censorship.

    I can watch a movie without turning it over for examination first.

    I can sleep when I want, wake when I want, eat when I want or don’t want to.

    I do not have to pretend to fast and pray.

    I can prioritize my work over serving other people. Never again will I pull somebody’s socks off and bring them their food and drink on command.

    I can get up in the middle of the night and use the bathroom or get a drink of water without tiptoeing in terror.

    I can lock my room door. I can lock the door of my own room.

    Saying I want to be alone, that I need space, that I do not want to reveal personal information, that I do not choose to answer that question, that it is none of your damn business, that this is my body and I can position it on the furniture however I like, that I do not have to explain to you why I am smiling, that this is my time, that this is my work, this is my mind and I can use it to read and write what I please…

    I can say these things now.

    I never could before.

    We never could, before. So many of us cannot, still.

    This way of living–having to regulate and hide our personalities, our humanity–the tone of our voices, their volume and timbre, the manner in which we sit or stand or walk or speak, whether and when we can leave our homes, how and when we speak to people, what we do and do not read, can and cannot think or express–this way of living is the reality and default for so many of us.

    We are suppressed beyond imagining.

    Notice that the above does not even begin to touch upon the horrendous physical violence–abuse, marital rape (or just rape), child marriage (enslavement and rape), rape, whipping, stoning, genital mutilation–that happens to a not insignificant number of women who violate the above code of living.

    Pretend that isn’t even a thing. Ignore the violence, for now. Set that aside.

    And think, now, how even setting all of that horror aside, and pretending that it doesn’t come hand-in-hand with an obsession with the control of our bodies and our conduct and honor and shame, even setting it aside, this is how we have lived.

    This is how my sister lives still, my mother, my cousins, my friends.

    Think of this, and try to understand what freedom means to women like us. What it means to have choice. What it means to have true choice and not just a variety of empty options. because we too can walk into an iced cream shop and choose what flavor we want just like we could in America, and this is not freedom.

    Chronic misunderstanding of institutional forms of oppression is blind to this distinction. The pervasive and fallacious argument that women from Muslim families and/or who live in in Muslim-majority countries with laws on the books allowing them to do everything I have cited as forbidden, that allow them to have technically as many options as men, or as women in the West,  claiming that nobody forces them to do anything absolutely–this is akin to saying that African American kids growing up in inner city slums have the same opportunities as straight white males.

    Yes, many of us can go to school, can work, can earn and spend our own money. But what we study or work at, and how and why and when and where and with whom and wearing what–all of this is controlled. If we try to do otherwise, there are institutional mechanisms in place–sectarian politics, social norms and customs ignored by law, people in positions of influence at our workplaces and schools and police stations and government–that can destroy us. That this is a common and chronic condition wherever Muslims live and socialize is true–that it also occurs in other third world societies and countries where Muslims do not live and socialize  makes this no less of an actuality in places where Muslim thought and custom constitute and contribute to society and politics.

    We have freedoms that are not freedoms, and we can continue to go to school and go to work and be empty robots all the while. And if we gave up and stayed at home, we would be giving up our education and our careers, it is true, as limited as those things are, but we would also be giving up the chronic hopelessness and self-defeat and empty confusion of striving, striving, striving to be fulfilled when we are effectively mannequins.

    It is like three quarters of our limbs and muscles are controlled by strings, and the quarter we have some ability to move keep trying to overcompensate and convince us we are real people.

    Giving up is so, so tempting.

    But sometimes, sometimes, we escape.

    And after we escape, or after things change for us?

    We will spend some time adjusting. We will be able to grasp, eventually, what it is like to have freedoms.

    Some days we will even take them for granted, and if we realize we’ve done so, we will feel a sort of confused resentment at ourselves for being such spoiled first-world brats and then guilt for feeling that having human rights means we are spoiled because rights should be just that–granted.

    Some days, however, we’ll be very aware of our rights. The ridiculous pervasiveness of choice around us will paralyze and confuse us, and we will feel empty, incomplete.

    I have had a panic attack choosing pizza toppings when my partner would not take ‘whatever you want’ as an answer for the umpteenth consecutive time.

    I have become so used to choosing things according to a quick assessment of what other people want, prefer, or require, so that they will be happy and content and thus my life around them will be easier, so that they will not hurt me or destroy me–so used to choosing what will make others happy– I have become so used to that that I  am deeply depressed trying to make anything meaningful for myself.

    I do not know how to become invested in my work and my art, because my life was never more than a big empty chamber of apathetic nothingness at best, and horrible torture at worst.

    And I am afraid of becoming capable of being free. I am afraid of transcending my ability to let my trauma and unhappiness consume me. I am afraid that succeeding in pulling together that broken part of me that does not know how to choose or care or be, how to quit compulsively faking emotions and detaching–I am afraid of becoming free because I am afraid of being no longer angry, no longer cognizant of this incredible injustice, being blind to what it means to not to be free.

    I am afraid of being happy because it might mean I accept and am blind to my former chains.

    I am afraid of forgetting what it means to be free.

    I am afraid that once I have freedom, I will no longer understand what freedom is worth and why it is important.

    This is my reminder.

    -Marwa

    http://aveilandadarkplace.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/what-it-is-like-to-be-a-muslim-woman-and-why-we-know-what-freedom-is/


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #1 - July 02, 2013, 09:52 AM

    From her FAQ

    ++++

    The Questions:

    Who are you speaking for? Yourself? Other people? What gives you the right to speak for other people?

    As an ex-Muslim aren’t you just a defector? How are your views not xenophobic or Islamophobic?

    What do you mean by a reasoned critique of Islam?

    Why do you advocate a critique of Islam? You’re not  a Muslim, we get it; what does that have to do with critiquing Islam when people freely choose it and it’s their right?

    Wait, hold up. Aren’t you just assuming that Islam is at fault or complicit in the problems of Arab and Muslim women? How can you make such a brash and serious assumption?

    You talk about ‘Islam’ a lot as if it is a blanket term. Isn’t that severely reductionist? Islam is not a uniform thing, nor are its manifestation in sect and practice. What gives?

    Why did you take off the veil?

    So what do you miss or appreciate about Muslim culture?

    What do you dislike about American culture?

    How do you self-identify? Is it a negative or positive self-identification?

    The Answers:

    Who are you speaking for? Yourself? Other people? What gives you the right to speak for other people?

    I’m primarily speaking for myself, but this is not a blog of personal anecdote. I make the assertion that I want to give a voice to others like me, and maybe in that sense I’m speaking for other people, I don’t know. I don’t think of it by any means as speaking for those who do not want to be spoken for. But there are people, so many of them close to me, women I love, who have suffered through and continue to suffer through oppression parallel to mine, instigated by the same system, rooted in the same causes, the same ideologies, and they support and encourage and bless my endeavors. It is not so much speaking for other women of Muslim and Arab birth as creating a forum where the ideas of a suppressed subset of women of Muslim and Arab birth are given space, are given voice because it is the case that effectively, so few of us have voices. So few of us are in a position to speak publicly about forces that are still governing our lives.

    And here’s the thing. This is not a blog of personal anecdote attempting to create an inductive parallel through extrapolation. I hope to host many voices, and I hope to make arguments based on larger, wider experiences, aspiring towards objectivity. I am open to listening to other perspectives, and responding to those publicly. I am open to being corrected, challenged, and expanding my outlook. I want this to be educational for myself as much as anybody else.

    As an ex-Muslim aren’t you just a defector? How are your views not xenophobic or Islamophobic?

    I am a defector from an idea-and-belief system that I was born expecting to subscribe to and ultimately rejected. The notion that we are free to choose and reject beliefs and are not bound to them by our birth is not a radical one, and does not entail that we have irrational or unfounded biases towards the beliefs we reject.

    Islamphobia is the irrational fear and hatred of Islam based on misconception. My rejection of Islam is based on reasoned understanding and not on misrepresentation. I am open to this being challenged.

    Xenophobia is the irrational fear of the other, the strange, the foreign. I do not reject my people, my culture, my language. I am an Arab woman, I am from Beirut, and it is my home, my heart, my love, joy, pain, nostalgia. There are many things I value about my culture. Rejecting other aspects of my heritage does not mean I am othering it, and certainly does not mean that I fear or hate it.

    What do you mean by a reasoned critique of Islam?

    I will make this a simple answer. A reasoned critique will be primarily an accurate one. One that is not based on misrepresentation, and whose premises are acknowledged by those who advocate that which is being critiqued. Obviously one that does not fall into fallacy. One also that stands up to challenge and engages challenge.

    Why do you advocate a critique of Islam? You’re not  a Muslim, we get it; what does that have to do with critiquing Islam when people freely choose it and it’s their right?

    Because harm is being inflicted upon people and things need to change, and part of my critique is that Islam is responsible for much of this suffering, and I believe the first step to changing harmful ideas is to highlight why and how they are problematic.

    I advocate a reasoned critique of Islam because I strongly believe that the right to free choice ends where harm to others and coercion begins. There is a verse in the Qur’an that states that there shall be no compulsion in religion [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 256], often cited in defense of Islam being non-coercive and its coercive elements being mere human misapplications. The full verse, however, as follows:

    “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 256]

    Along with the claim that you shall not be compelled to choose to embrace Islam is the assertion that it is the only truth and a clear one and those who have grasped it are in a sense, protected, in the right. This is normative and exclusionary, and the Qur’an makes no pretense about mandating what is proper and correct behavior as a Muslim towards other people; your family members, women, foreigners, apostates and defectors, and non-Muslims in your lands. This has lead to the very real circumstances of Islamic interpretations of truth being mandated by law or socially enforced. Until it becomes effectively the case that people are free to choose ‘error’ over ‘truth’ without it being wrong, false, shameful, or criminal, then Islam in practice and Islam in scripture will not be impervious to critique.

    Another point is that people can freely choose to subscribe to ideologies with misogynistic or violent aspects (assuming their status as such can be demonstrated), but their free choice doesn’t negate the possibility or the need to critique these aspects, regardless of whether or not being a Muslim entails behaving according to Muslim tenets towards other people. That is, the status of a belief system as religious does not make it impervious to critique even if it were not causing external detriment. Although I do have a positive reason for critiquing Islam, I am bothered by the assumption that I need to have one in order to highlight the aspects of an ideology that I find problematic (barring such a critique itself causing undue detriment, which would need to be established).

    Wait, hold up. Aren’t you just assuming that Islam is at fault or complicit in the problems of Arab and Muslim women? How can you make such a brash and serious assumption?

    I do not want to assume this. I want to demonstrate this, and the FAQ page is not where I will give my strongest arguments in support of this claim, but regular blog posts are. Also, please refer to my answer to what a reasoned critique is. I want my critique to be accurate and not based on a misrepresentation. Straw-manning helps nobody.

    You can ask whether what I’m doing is really reasoned critique to which I’ll answer this:

    You can either assert that there is no such thing as a reasoned critique or rejection of Islam, which is a dogmatic claim in itself and one that I am willing to discuss, but that I ultimately find ludicrous. Or else you can assert something along the lines of my personal experiences leading to incongruent bias against a misapplication or misrepresentation of Islam that violently hurt me and what I am critiquing is not true Islam. I certainly hope I am not setting up a straw man. My arguments aspire to present a critique of Islam qua scripture and practice and not a misrepresentation of it, but in any case I welcome challenges to my arguments that attempt to highlight avenues of bias and fear. I am open to all of my claims about Islam being openly discussed and challenged.

    You talk about ‘Islam’ a lot as if it is a blanket term. Isn’t that severely reductionist? Islam is not a uniform thing, nor are its manifestation in sect and practice. What gives?

    I’ve used ‘Islam’  in this FAQ page as a shorthand for those aspects and permutations of it I believe deserve strong critique. I hope that my blog posts will be specific and focused enough that I will not be generalizing and will set out in very clear terms the specific context I am discussing. I am trying to say that the manner and method and content of my critique will indeed be variable depending on the specificity of my focus.

    Why did you take off the veil?

    Simply put, I don’t believe in it or in what it stands for. But I feel like this is a backward question, because I feel like you need to have good reason to don the veil and that it should not be a default state you need to justify moving away from.

    But I feel like this question can be understood in two ways.

    I understand this question, when it is formulated as an earnest one by some people, to be asking other things such as ‘Why do you reject your morality and your modesty?’ and ‘Why do you think you have the right to disobey your creator and disrespect your family?’

    And here’s the thing, questions of this sort bother me because they assume a universal morality that I am being challenged for moving away from, and they also overtly censure me. They assume that I am being immoral and I have to explain why. This sort of challenge bothers me because any answer I give to these questions will ultimately reject their implicit premises. The long answer is detailed and complex. The short one is, well, I don’t have the same ideas about morality and modesty that you do, and your ideas about morality and modesty are *not* universally correct, and it is okay for me not to subscribe to them without being shamed and denigrated for it.  That they *are* universally correct may continued to be asserted, and I will gladly and openly challenge this claim.

    I recognize that not everybody who asks this question asks it from within that belief-system, so here’s my answer to the other version of the question: What is it about the hijab that doesn’t mesh with you and that you ultimately reject?

    And I will probably make a blog post directly addressing this question quite soon, but the short answer is that I feel like it misrepresents problems of human sexuality by unnecessarily demonizing the bodies of women and human sexuality. It claims to fight against the objectification of women by assuming that same objectification. A woman commonly wears the hijab from conviction because she wants to be treated as a human being and not as a distracting sex object. But this contains the assumption that women’s bodies are consumable and shameful objects that must be protected by hiding them. I simply can’t mesh with this sort of thought.

    Why so focused on the negatives? There are plenty of Muslims who are happy and healthy and free and who have very positive experiences. There are plenty of non-Muslims who are horribly oppressive and misogynistic. Why not highlight what people are doing right and why demonize this particular problem in exclusion to others?

    Because addressing a very real problem that is important does not need to be justified beyond it being an important problem .

    Yes, there are other oppressive structures and systems in various places and cultures and connected to various religions and ideologies. Yes, there are also plenty of Muslims who do things the right way and who foster peace and love and faith.

    But you know what? The suppression and oppression of Arab and Muslim women coercively is valuable in its own right, and has become pandemic (a claim I am willing to justify in an actual post) and focusing on it to the exclusion of the happy, the safe, the non-problematic, or focusing on it to the exclusion of the suppression and oppression of women due to other non-directly-relatable systems in different areas should not be offensive because it is an important enough problem to deserve focus.

    To make a simplistic analogy: if I’m blogging about dogs and somebody comes along and asks me ‘what about cats?’ I am going to say, well, yes, cats are important too, and you can blog about them if you want, but I’m talking about dogs here, and it’s okay for me to talk about dogs without being accused of implying that cats are not important. It’s hard to talk about dogs if you can’t focus on them sufficiently.

    That being said, I am willing to continue to clarify and assert that I am not speaking about non-oppressed and free-choosing Muslim women in order to avoid detrimental confusion.

    There is another argument I am sympathetic towards but that I do not want to make very powerfully at this moment in time until I have thought it through very well because I am unsure of its implications and applications, but I kind of want to put it out here to get thoughts. It is that even non-complicit Muslims need to no longer be excluded from a radically Muslim problem and need to become part of its solution, and that non-complicit Muslims are in fact only seemingly non-complicit. I am not sure of this argument because I am not sure how effectively true it is given that it is my experience that non-complicit Muslims are among a minority that lack influence and political power, but I will put it out there that I thought of this by creating an analogy to how men need to be responsible for feminist issues in very dire ways, even if they themselves are non-complicit, as presented in this TEDx talk.

    So what do you miss or appreciate about Muslim culture?

    I don’t think there is such a thing as a uniform Muslim culture, even within the same country, but I’ll take this to be asking me what I miss about my homeland and the culture I became an adult in, which is a Southern-Metro-mesh Lebanese Shia guerrilla-esque culture. To start with smaller things, I miss the food, and the enthusiasm about it, the meat-positive, lush, encompassing, generous, olive-oil drenched ecstaticness of it. I miss, surprisingly, communal cooking, though I thought I hated being under my mother’s supreme will in her kitchen. I miss enthusiasm and lushness in general, this wonderful mesh between lightheartedness, passion, vitriol, and matter-of-factness that stems from living under war and aggression and at the same time being used to war and aggression. I miss the intimate chaotic urbanity of Beirut. And despite the lack of privacy and being utterly controlled, there are aspects of the close familial intimacy of my culture that I value very highly. I miss Arabic like nobody’s business. I miss certain aspects of the righteously defensive attitude a culture bred under foreign occupation and war has–the furious commitment to defend, to stave off, to be independent, even if I am troubled by manners in which it manifests itself.

    What do you dislike about American culture?

    Again, I want to discount the claim that there is a uniform American culture, but I’ll try to highlight the things I strongly hope to see change and improve in my lifetime. This will probably sound surprising and possibly ungrateful given the drastic changes my life has undergone since moving here, but I think that pervasively in America there is not enough liberalism and too much liberalism all at once. I do believe there is a strong rape culture here, and very strong cognitive gender bias and gender-normativity that young people need to fight being socialized into. We know what the arguments are. We know that women are disadvantaged in the job market. We know that slut-shaming is prevalent and that our reproductive rights are challenged. We know that LGBTQ rights have a long way to go. We know that not everybody acknowledges these as problems. I would point to things like quality of science and math education and systematic racism as also quite bothersome. I also am troubled by liberal tendencies to avoid critiquing harmful ideologies for fear of being offensive or paternalistic or causing greater harm or being unintentionally yet very violently racist or assuming, because I believe this obscures the possibility of inciting real change and helping people who are already disadvantaged.

    And here’s the thing. I just listed a whole lot of things here, and I am full-well expecting raised eyebrows at how critical I am towards a country that has afforded me freedoms I never had and wonderful opportunities and resources fitting my abilities and credentials. But I am violently opposed to the sort of rhetoric that assumes you cannot be grateful and appreciative yet desire betterment and change and further fulfillment at the same time. The issues that concern me here in America very directly have to do with fundamental human and political rights, and they directly pertain to me as an American citizen, as a woman, as a person of color, as an LGBTQ individual, and demanding the realization of rights should never be problematic and should always be a valid standpoint no matter how privileged you are or disadvantaged you have been.

    How do you self-identify? Is it a negative or positive self-identification?

    This is such a difficult question to me because I feel like it is asking for a uniform answer, or to join a camp with already-established norms and I am wary of this because I am an amalgam. I also recognize that it is important to identify by what I am not, what I reject, what I used to be. I identify as an atheist quite strongly in most circumstances, and as an ex-Muslim less often, although when I think about my atheism I think about it as growing and progressing from the challenges my birth religion posed to me and the challenges I posed to it. I think as myself as an ex-hijabi and a non-hijabi and both of these things are distinct and powerful because they indicate what I refuse to be and what I have been and what that has done to weaken and strengthen me. This is the sort of model I have in mind when I think of identity labels, and knowing this, I will give a few, in no particular order (beyond perhaps aesthetic; I am fond of lyrical lists!):

    Atheist. Ex-Muslim. Woman. Mostly-liberal. Arab. Bisexual. Beiruti. Arab-American. Sex-positive. Apostate. Writer. Polyamorous. Secularist. Philosopher. Ex-hijabi. Logician. Academic. Lebanese.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #2 - July 02, 2013, 10:28 AM

    Bookmarked for when I'm not exhausted and half drunk.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #3 - July 02, 2013, 12:37 PM

    The story is strangely familiar. Parts of it are my life!
    I love it.
    Wish her the best.
    And I want that key.

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #4 - July 02, 2013, 03:49 PM

    Don't worry Jila, you'll have your key soon enough.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #5 - July 04, 2013, 03:49 PM

    Thank you for writing this, this speaks for a lot of us.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #6 - July 09, 2013, 08:34 PM

    This is SO powerful stuff!

    World + dog should read it!

    Thanks for posting, billy!

    Danish Never-Moose adopted by the kind people on the CEMB-forum
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  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #7 - July 15, 2013, 12:43 AM

    Wow.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #8 - July 16, 2013, 10:27 AM

    Very sad :-(
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #9 - July 16, 2013, 10:19 PM

    I love this.
    Sent it to my wife... brought her to tears
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #10 - July 27, 2013, 11:16 AM

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    I wrote a blog post a couple of weeks ago. It was read by tens of thousands of human beings. This would be unnerving in and of itself, but the feedback I received is what really moved me…

    http://aveilandadarkplace.com/2013/07/16/a-call-for-mercy-because-of-what-muslims-and-ex-muslims-share/
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #11 - July 27, 2013, 11:33 AM

    Thanks zeca  Smiley

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #12 - July 28, 2013, 01:35 PM

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    In the first weeks when I was in the United States, I had so much fear and trembling at this freedom. I stayed in my apartment alone during my first two days in my new home, and when I did finally venture out, I checked to make sure my keys and ID and wallet were in my purse a thousand times. I wore long, flowing dresses and tied my hair up in a scarf even though it was August and very hot, even though I am an atheist who happens to find no personal value in modesty, even though I was not going out to meet anybody and knew not a single man in town, even though I tried to convince myself that in this land it wouldn’t matter if I was. I looked around every corner and checked over my shoulder in case my father was somehow watching, lurking.
    It took a couple of months to stop expecting to see my father in a place I was going or coming from.


    If one erased the "atheist" part from this paragraph and posted it somewhere else, one could make people believe that it's a story of a woman trying to start a new life after being abused by her father for years. Everyone would blame the father. If someone then told them that they are talking about islam and the real "father" is God, then they would say "oh, I respect your religion".

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    I can have facial expressions. Facial expressions.

    I can have facial expressions.

    I can have facial expressions.

    This made me so sad...

    "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." George Orwell
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #13 - July 28, 2013, 03:59 PM

    This was such a wonderful and optimistic, yet also tragic, thing to read. Of all the things wrong with Islam and Islamic culture, I sincerely believe its treatment of women is the worst of all.

    Platysma, you are 100% correct about how this could be read as a story about a woman who was abused. Amazing how blind people become when religion is the abuser.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #14 - July 29, 2013, 01:18 PM

    I could never get tired of reading that story! I want my own keys....

    @Iceman, I totally agree!

    "God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." - Voltaire
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #15 - September 28, 2013, 09:09 AM

    Just read this...what strikes me most is that women do not have to be in Lebanon or SA or Pakistan etc where the laws do not afford women adequate protection to experience any of the entrapment and repression described. It all rings true for those that grew up in closed UK muslim communities in Bradford,  Birmingham,  Leicester,  Gloucester,  London- whether pakistani, gujarati, arabic, somalia. And what those communities have in common is a strict sense of piety in Islam.

  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #16 - September 30, 2013, 02:32 AM

    I really believe that Islam primes a woman to accept abuse. Even if you remove culture from the equation. If you believe in submitting your will to another entity, then it is harder to stand up for yourself. If you allow all your choices to be made for you, then you lose the ability to make choices. This is classic grooming for abuse.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #17 - September 30, 2013, 02:39 AM

    It's pretty obvious that what you say is true, you only have to look at the teachings themselves to see this. Mo did not have a good opinion of women, he just didn't.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #18 - September 30, 2013, 02:56 AM

    No he didn't. There are just reams and reams of apologist literature out there to address this obvious issue, and unfortunately, there is much more of that on the shelves than the common sense of it. It gets drowned out, if you are reading in English, at least. 
    For me, having a daughter brought many things into sharper focus.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #19 - September 30, 2013, 03:12 AM

    I was a teenager when I first studied islam, so I didn't have any indoctrination drilled into me from birth. I just read the text and the teachings and instantly saw the bullshit.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #20 - September 30, 2013, 03:19 AM

    Now you have embarrassed me. I was an adult, too. I allowed myself to be blinded by kindness and apologist literature. I made a choice based on my situation and my witness. Not my logic.
    I am still waiting for my head to lead, rather than my heart. It might be a character flaw.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #21 - September 30, 2013, 03:33 AM

    I can say quite happily that many religious people, be they christian or muslim or hindu or jew or buddhist or pagan or whatever are very lovely people. But that's never been proof to me that the religions they follow are true. I also know many wonderful, kind, charitable atheists. That never swayed me to thinking their is no god or the gods of human religions don't exist. I came to the latter conclusion by myself.

    I don't think you need to be embarrassed. If what you were presented made sense to you it made sense to you. No shame in that. As for your last comment, Shakespeare said it best. "The heart is deceitful above all things". but the heart is also important. Our passions are almost universally our strengths. I'm sure it was your love for your children that empowered you to do things you may not have if they didn't exist.

    The trick is to use logic as well as emotion. Follow your heart, but listen to your head. If your heart dictates something to you and your head screams out warnings, I'd listen to your head. Our minds give us the means to understand and learn, our hearts give us the means to strive and continue.

    Follow your heart but listen to your head. Find the harmony between mental understanding and human compassion and that balance will serve you well for the rest of your life.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #22 - September 30, 2013, 03:48 AM

    I probably will never balance out properly. It's taken me ten minutes and five attempts to reply. See how crippling faith can be?
    But I am working on it. Here I am.


    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #23 - September 30, 2013, 03:50 AM

    Are you scared allah will punish you for posting?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #24 - September 30, 2013, 03:51 AM

    But I am working on it. Here I am.


     Afro Don't underestimate that Smiley

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #25 - September 30, 2013, 04:04 AM

    No, I am not afraid of God. I left that behind, though I am sure there are some residual habits. I am afraid of being misunderstood, afraid of causing offense.
    When I first moved to this town, a man tried to speak to me in a public setting. Probably about my kid. I cast my eyes down, and he swallowed whatever he had been about to say and walked away. He actually left something unsaid and left the building. He was a man, and I was being respectful. But to Americans, avoiding eye contact when someone is trying to talk with you actually means that you don't want them to speak to you. Like you are ignoring them. I was supposed to plaster my gaze on his face. This is my own culture and I don't remember how to behave anymore. I am tired of being foreign in my own country. I am tired of being hyperaware of culture and gender.
    Still here, though! Thanks!

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #26 - September 30, 2013, 04:14 AM

    It was your comment on how crippling faith can be that made me wonder.

    It's not just American, I'm actually unsure of any culture that wouldn't view looking away from someone when they speak to you as rudeness and a sign of dismissal and uninterest. I look at people as human first, men and women second. In fact I could write a whole essay on just how destructive gender teachings are islamically.

    I understand it's hard, I really do but time has a way of making memories fade if we allow ourselves to move on. You really have taken wonderful steps into making this a reality and I truly mean it when I say I admire you.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #27 - October 01, 2013, 12:18 AM

     
    It was your comment on how crippling faith can be that made me wonder.

    It's not just American, I'm actually unsure of any culture that wouldn't view looking away from someone when they speak to you as rudeness and a sign of dismissal and uninterest. I look at people as human first, men and women second. In fact I could write a whole essay on just how destructive gender teachings are islamically.

    I understand it's hard, I really do but time has a way of making memories fade if we allow ourselves to move on. You really have taken wonderful steps into making this a reality and I truly mean it when I say I admire you.


    I have had entire conversations with men through wooden partitions and from behind veils. It's sign of respect in some Muslim cultures not to look directly at the speaker if that speaker is of the opposite gender. I think the admonition is to "avert your gaze".
    I would like to see that essay published, actually. Please do!
    Thank you for your support. Every bit helps.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #28 - October 01, 2013, 12:27 AM

    See in the West it's the opposite. It's considered rude to NOT look someone in the eye when conversing with them.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #29 - October 01, 2013, 12:31 AM

    You don't have to stare at them like a boggle-eyed loon, just make brief eye contact at appropriate moments in the conversation.
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