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  • iERA's email regarding marriage in Islam
     OP - October 09, 2013, 11:21 PM

    iERA sent out this email to clarify their position regarding marriage in Islam. Have fun. parrot


    Clarification of Marriage in Islam
    A Preliminary Note on ITV’s Programme Exposure: Forced to Marry

    This evening (Wednesday 9th October 2013), ITV will air a programme entitled Exposure: Forced to Marry. In light of some of the details that have been made public, we would like to clarify marriage in Islam and some of the topics raised, such as forced marriages.
     
    Are Forced Marriages Allowed in Islam?
     
    Normative Islamic tradition, law and practice strictly forbid and prohibit any form of forced marriage. The evidence in the Islamic tradition abounds. For instance, the prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace) specifically stated that “No previously-married woman should be married off without being consulted.” [ i ] In another Prophetic tradition the prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace) said “and no virgin should be married off without asking her permission.” [ii] The acceptance or rejection of a proposal must be established in such a way that there is no ambiguity in her decision and to eliminate any possibility of being forced into a marriage.
     
    There is a famous prophetic tradition where a divorced lady called Khansa bint Khizaam al-Ansaariyyah was married off without her permission. She went to the prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace) and he annulled the marriage. [iii] This also applies to previously unmarried women. A previously unmarried girl once went to the prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace) and told him that her father married her off despite her objections. The Prophet (upon whom be peace) gave her the choice to annul the marriage. [iv]

    In light of the above, iERA strongly condemns anyone who claims to represent Islam and carries out an Islamic marriage without the consent of any of the parties involved. This consent must be a valid one, meaning no coercion - whether physical or psychological - must have been used. A marriage based on coercion is invalid and immoral.
     
    iERA has been working extremely hard with the Muslim and non-Muslim community to demystify Islam by engaging on a grass roots and intellectual level. iERA will continue to positively influence Muslim leaders and imams to evoke the true understanding of Islam and will continue to warmly and compassionately convey the true message of Islam to all peoples regardless of race, creed or colour.


    Is Underage Marriage Permitted in Islam?

    In Islamic law, a marriage contract is known as Nikah. Islamic law doesn't stipulate an age for marriage, however, it does provide a range of principles that must be applied to assess if an individual case is valid for marital sexual intercourse. Contrast this with the absurd situation where a sexual consensual relationship would be valid in one secular country but invalid in another. For example, a consensual sexual relationship via marriage in the State of New York can be established at the age of 14 (with parental permission) [vii] however in India marriage is valid at 21 for males and 18 for females. [vi] Islam transcends this type of legal relativism (or some may argue moral relativism) due to the use of principles and not arbitrary figures. These principles include:
     
    • Physical and biological fitness and readiness
    • No psychological or physical harm will result
    • Social acceptance
    • Spiritual and mental fitness and readiness
    • The capacity and ability to agree to a marriage

    These principles are derived from a range of Islamic source texts, namely the Qur'an and prophetic traditions. Once applied, these principles, especially in a 21st century context, would produce a range of ages at which people are ready for marital sexual intercourse. If the above principles are met, then sexual intercourse via the Islamic marriage contract is permissible.
     
    In Islam, it is not permissible for men and women to have relationships with the opposite sex outside marriage. The Islamic marriage contract or Nikah makes certain activities permissible for Muslim couples such as holding hands or going to a restaurant without a chaperone; it does not necessitate sexual contact.

    In other words, there may be cases where a young couple have signed the Nikah contract but do not break the law in their country of residence by having sexual intercourse.

    The Qur’an, the book of God revealed for humanity’s guidance, clearly explains that one of the objectives of marriage in Islam is to facilitate love and mercy:

    “And among His signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your hearts: verily in that are signs for those who reflect.” [vii]

    In view of the above, it is important to assert that iERA does not condone the breaking of the law of anyone’s country of residence and citizenship. iERA have been engaged with the Muslim and non-Muslim community for years in explaining the true teachings of Islam and motivating the Muslim community to positively engage with the wider society.

    iERA’s work involves clarifying and demystifying Islam as a religion of almost a quarter of the world’s population to a non-Muslim audience. We hope this programme does not become a disservice to Muslims and non-Muslims alike. It is high time barriers of misunderstanding and ignorance are broken.

    Footnotes:

    [ i ] Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4843; Muslim, 1419.
    [ii] Narrated by Muslim, 1419.
    [iii] Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4845
    [iv] Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2096; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani.
    [v]  http://www.health.ny.gov/publications/4210/
    [vi] “The Prohibition of Child Marriage Act, 2006” http://wcd.nic.in/cma2006.pdf
    [vii] Qur’an 30:21

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  • iERA's email regarding marriage in Islam
     Reply #1 - October 09, 2013, 11:35 PM

    Jesus wept.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • iERA's email regarding marriage in Islam
     Reply #2 - October 09, 2013, 11:43 PM

    ITV broadcast a programme on forced marriages.
    UK Imams agree to perform underage marriages

    Undercover reporting is so much easier thanks to the niqab. hehe!

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • iERA's email regarding marriage in Islam
     Reply #3 - October 10, 2013, 12:24 AM


    Quote
    Physical and biological fitness and readiness
    No psychological or physical harm will result
    Social acceptance
    Spiritual and mental fitness and readiness
    The capacity and ability to agree to a marriage


    Do not these reasons alone cripple their arguments. A female can have her period at a young age but this is merely one step in a process that takes years. Physical damage could result from having children if the process is not complete. A lot of things were socially accepted in the past that are no longer accepted now, if fact some are crimes now with lengthy prison sentences. I do not know how a child is mental fit to raise children themselves, heck some adults I know are not ready. The last point one can use the same argument used for point 4. Is a child capable of agreeing with the marriage?

    Whatever work iERA does seems to be just rationalization to uphold the actions on one man and his religion yet tries to support modern views we now hold. Granted I know in the past things were done differently but that does not exempt one from repercussions or criticism. It was okay to kill heretics but it is still murder no matter how you dress it up... 
  • iERA's email regarding marriage in Islam
     Reply #4 - October 10, 2013, 12:33 AM

    Undercover reporting is so much easier thanks to the niqab. hehe!


    haha!

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • iERA's email regarding marriage in Islam
     Reply #5 - October 10, 2013, 12:34 AM

    Do not these reasons alone cripple their arguments.


    Its all about defending Mo at all costs. Nothing can ever be said that can be construed to be in any way to be used to be critical of him. That is what all this contortionism is all about.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • iERA's email regarding marriage in Islam
     Reply #6 - October 10, 2013, 12:53 AM

    According to Islamic law, a woman's (or girl's) silence is sufficient to indicate her consent. That's not ambiguous at all.  Roll Eyes

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
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  • iERA's email regarding marriage in Islam
     Reply #7 - October 10, 2013, 02:52 AM

    Jesus wept.


    So did happymurtad. Christ it is so hard to read this bull shit.
  • iERA's email regarding marriage in Islam
     Reply #8 - October 10, 2013, 03:01 AM

    iERA sent out this email to clarify their position regarding marriage in Islam. Have fun. parrot


    Clarification of Marriage in Islam
    A Preliminary Note on ITV’s Programme Exposure: Forced to Marry

    This evening (Wednesday 9th October 2013), ITV will air a programme entitled Exposure: Forced to Marry. In light of some of the details that have been made public, we would like to clarify marriage in Islam and some of the topics raised, such as forced marriages.
     
    Are Forced Marriages Allowed in Islam?
     
    Normative Islamic tradition, law and practice strictly forbid and prohibit any form of forced marriage. The evidence in the Islamic tradition abounds. For instance, the prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace) specifically stated that “No previously-married woman should be married off without being consulted.” [ i ] In another Prophetic tradition the prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace) said “and no virgin should be married off without asking her permission.” [ii] The acceptance or rejection of a proposal must be established in such a way that there is no ambiguity in her decision and to eliminate any possibility of being forced into a marriage.
     
    There is a famous prophetic tradition where a divorced lady called Khansa bint Khizaam al-Ansaariyyah was married off without her permission. She went to the prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace) and he annulled the marriage. [iii] This also applies to previously unmarried women. A previously unmarried girl once went to the prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace) and told him that her father married her off despite her objections. The Prophet (upon whom be peace) gave her the choice to annul the marriage. [iv]

    In light of the above, iERA strongly condemns anyone who claims to represent Islam and carries out an Islamic marriage without the consent of any of the parties involved. This consent must be a valid one, meaning no coercion - whether physical or psychological - must have been used. A marriage based on coercion is invalid and immoral.
     
    iERA has been working extremely hard with the Muslim and non-Muslim community to demystify Islam by engaging on a grass roots and intellectual level. iERA will continue to positively influence Muslim leaders and imams to evoke the true understanding of Islam and will continue to warmly and compassionately convey the true message of Islam to all peoples regardless of race, creed or colour.


    Is Underage Marriage Permitted in Islam?

    In Islamic law, a marriage contract is known as Nikah. Islamic law doesn't stipulate an age for marriage, however, it does provide a range of principles that must be applied to assess if an individual case is valid for marital sexual intercourse. Contrast this with the absurd situation where a sexual consensual relationship would be valid in one secular country but invalid in another. For example, a consensual sexual relationship via marriage in the State of New York can be established at the age of 14 (with parental permission) [vii] however in India marriage is valid at 21 for males and 18 for females. [vi] Islam transcends this type of legal relativism (or some may argue moral relativism) due to the use of principles and not arbitrary figures. These principles include:
     
    • Physical and biological fitness and readiness
    • No psychological or physical harm will result
    • Social acceptance
    • Spiritual and mental fitness and readiness
    • The capacity and ability to agree to a marriage

    These principles are derived from a range of Islamic source texts, namely the Qur'an and prophetic traditions. Once applied, these principles, especially in a 21st century context, would produce a range of ages at which people are ready for marital sexual intercourse. If the above principles are met, then sexual intercourse via the Islamic marriage contract is permissible.
     
    In Islam, it is not permissible for men and women to have relationships with the opposite sex outside marriage. The Islamic marriage contract or Nikah makes certain activities permissible for Muslim couples such as holding hands or going to a restaurant without a chaperone; it does not necessitate sexual contact.

    In other words, there may be cases where a young couple have signed the Nikah contract but do not break the law in their country of residence by having sexual intercourse.

    The Qur’an, the book of God revealed for humanity’s guidance, clearly explains that one of the objectives of marriage in Islam is to facilitate love and mercy:

    “And among His signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your hearts: verily in that are signs for those who reflect.” [vii]

    In view of the above, it is important to assert that iERA does not condone the breaking of the law of anyone’s country of residence and citizenship. iERA have been engaged with the Muslim and non-Muslim community for years in explaining the true teachings of Islam and motivating the Muslim community to positively engage with the wider society.

    iERA’s work involves clarifying and demystifying Islam as a religion of almost a quarter of the world’s population to a non-Muslim audience. We hope this programme does not become a disservice to Muslims and non-Muslims alike. It is high time barriers of misunderstanding and ignorance are broken.

    Footnotes:

    [ i ] Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4843; Muslim, 1419.
    [ii] Narrated by Muslim, 1419.
    [iii] Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4845
    [iv] Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2096; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani.
    [v]  http://www.health.ny.gov/publications/4210/
    [vi] “The Prohibition of Child Marriage Act, 2006” http://wcd.nic.in/cma2006.pdf
    [vii] Qur’an 30:21


    Without a chaperone? As if!

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • iERA's email regarding marriage in Islam
     Reply #9 - October 10, 2013, 12:19 PM

    According to Islamic law, a woman's (or girl's) silence is sufficient to indicate her consent. That's not ambiguous at all.  Roll Eyes


    They actually showed this Hadith on yesterday's episode of Exposure. An Imam texted it to an undercover woman who wanted to marry her 14 year old daughter off.

    I wonder how all the Muslims and Non-Muslims felt when reading it, right there in front of everyone on public TV.
  • iERA's email regarding marriage in Islam
     Reply #10 - October 10, 2013, 01:40 PM


    That documentary is viewable here

    https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/exposure/series-20/episode-1-exposure-forced-to-marry

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • iERA's email regarding marriage in Islam
     Reply #11 - October 10, 2013, 03:20 PM

    According to Islamic law, a woman's (or girl's) silence is sufficient to indicate her consent. That's not ambiguous at all.  Roll Eyes

     



    It's such a stupid rule. 

    If she didn't say anything it means she wants to marry the guy her parents chose.

    (Let's just conveniently ignore the fact that if she says anything like "no" to a marriage her family and relatives will shame/bully her. The reason for her silence is obviously her desire to marry the guy.

     Roll Eyes   




    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • iERA's email regarding marriage in Islam
     Reply #12 - October 10, 2013, 03:26 PM

    Quote
    Physical and biological fitness and readiness
    No psychological or physical harm will result
    Social acceptance
    Spiritual and mental fitness and readiness
    The capacity and ability to agree to a marriage

     


    yeah because beared mullahs are the best people to go to when asking whether someone is physically and biologically fit to have sex.

     Roll Eyes

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • iERA's email regarding marriage in Islam
     Reply #13 - October 10, 2013, 05:49 PM

    Quote
    Contrast this with the absurd situation where a sexual consensual relationship would be valid in one secular country but invalid in another. For example, a consensual sexual relationship via marriage in the State of New York can be established at the age of 14 (with parental permission) [vii] however in India marriage is valid at 21 for males and 18 for females. [vi] Islam transcends this type of legal relativism (or some may argue moral relativism) due to the use of principles and not arbitrary figures.

     




     Roll Eyes


    Nevermind that these "principles" lead to local variations because they are subjective.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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  • iERA's email regarding marriage in Islam
     Reply #14 - October 10, 2013, 06:50 PM

    According to Islamic law, a woman's (or girl's) silence is sufficient to indicate her consent. That's not ambiguous at all.  Roll Eyes


    Yeah, in the Hanafi school definitely this is the case. To me this just leaves the whole Nikkah to be a process rife with abuse and coercion. Exactly the kinds of elements that would be antithetical to the consent that iera state is necessary for an Islamic marriage to be valid.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • iERA's email regarding marriage in Islam
     Reply #15 - October 10, 2013, 06:54 PM

    Nevermind that these "principles" lead to local variations because they are subjective.


    But the quran is so clear in its ability to be interpreted in so many different ways. Takebeer.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
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