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  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     OP - October 11, 2013, 10:11 PM
    It is a cult. Tells us women we are only seen as sex objects and that everything is forbidden while Mohammed used hedonism and manipulation/killing/etc in his life. So he has the right to live pleasurably but the rest of us are condemned to Hell for listening to music or eating a certain food? LOL.

    And plus, it's said that animals can't sin. Religion teaches us we aren't animals. Wrong. We are animals too, primates/mammals in fact. People are too egoistic to believe so. And if animals can't sin, why does homosexuality exist in other species? It's been a fallacy and peculiar to me really. There's such thing as doing bad things, that can harm someone/or theirself but the fact religion claims animals don't sin emphasizes arrogance and ignorance about the world around us. Religion also teaches us the Evolution theory is completely false.
    Do ut des. I give so you may give.
    Do ut fascias. I give so you may do.
    Deficit omne quod nasciture. Everything that is born will die.
    A preacher's logic: "Fais comme je dis, non comme j'agis." Do as I say, not as I do.
    "Le parole est l'ombre du fait." A word is a shadow of action.
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #1 - October 11, 2013, 10:28 PM
    Quote from: melymely on October 11, 2013, 10:11 PM
    It is a cult. Tells us women we are only seen as sex objects and that everything is forbidden while Mohammed used hedonism and manipulation/killing/etc in his life. So he has the right to live pleasurably but the rest of us are condemned to Hell for listening to music or eating a certain food? LOL.

    helloo...  melymely  ., let me tell you a secret of Islam.." there was NO Muhammad" in Islam., this character was  created by early Islamic writers along with those rascals "The caliphs" .,  The Islamic character "Muhammad" is in fact stories of multiple characters  put together..

    Quote
    And plus, it's said that animals can't sin. Religion teaches us we aren't animals. Wrong. We are animals too, primates/mammals in fact. People are too egoistic to believe so. And if animals can't sin, why does homosexuality exist in other species? It's been a fallacy and peculiar to me really. There's such thing as doing bad things, that can harm someone/or theirself but the fact religion claims animals don't sin emphasizes arrogance and ignorance about the world around us. Religion also teaches us the Evolution theory is completely false.

    yap you are right.. Islam picked that nonsense from other religions..  So much of the blames  goes to those other religions that said that nonsense...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #2 - October 11, 2013, 10:39 PM
    I totally agree with you, the first thing that really made me leave islam  were the women status in the quran.
    Many muslim women say that Islam is the first religion that gave rights to the women but isn't also true that in most of the muslim countries women have no rights?
    I could never get the fact that mo married  a 9 yrs old girl (child) , i tried hard to not think any different bcz i was afraid of becoming a kaffir
    I thought it happened bcz he was a prophet. I used to defend islam but now i feel free from this cage of stupid rules that only a man could write not a god that is way tooo human
    And i cant really understand those people, who at the same time believe in evolution and creationism theory.
    The fact that god teaches us we are not animals, we are special   it is bcz it was all written by a man for men! Nothing else
    Just a stupid book
    Feel the freedom  Smiley  just burn the quran
    And replace it with other beautiful books lol
     


  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #3 - October 11, 2013, 11:27 PM
    To me it seems like a cult of personality much like North Korea, Stalin's Russia, Hitler's Germany, etc.  To many verses seem to appeal directly to the Prophet's wants and needs. Too many only seem to apply to the moment or short time span of a human's life such as the laws and code of morality. As others have pointed out many claims certain concepts that we find in modern society are part of Islam's foundation yet even a passing glance at history shows no great leap in the standards of human society or quality of life from Islam. All these leaps were put forward by other men regardless of their religion. Which raises doubt of how a Prophet of God didnt bring about these changes but ordinary men. The death blow from my pov is slavery. If slavery is morally wrong then Allah/Prophet would have abolished it outright. Yet the Ottoman Empire along with previous Islamic Empires show no major change to the system that was not found in Rome, China, etc. In light of how slavery became a major part of the economic system of these Empires shows no forethought from a source that is supposedly capable of knowing the future.
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #4 - October 12, 2013, 01:31 AM
    Nice points, all. I wanted to say that animals in Islam are punished for sin. I remember reading some Shariah on bestiality, and the animal involved is considered no longer clean and must be slain. Not eaten, either.
    So if animals are considered to be free from sin, they are not free from punishment.
    I always felt Abu Hurairah was on a personal mission to make life miserable for dogs, and succeeded quite well.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #5 - October 12, 2013, 03:53 AM
    Oh yes? And exactly why were you looking up stuff on bestiality?  whistling2
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #6 - October 12, 2013, 04:20 AM
    A girl's gotta dream.

  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #7 - October 12, 2013, 05:35 AM
     Cheesy
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #8 - October 12, 2013, 05:37 AM
    I can understand being a deist, it's not something I subscribe to myself but if I was going to have any belief in a higher power deism is the only way I could go. The human religions have all been proven false. More and more of us are growing up and past these ancient tales.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #9 - October 12, 2013, 04:46 PM
    Exactly! I mean I can certain feel miracles, coincidences and something out there it's just not provable by science since science is a theory in general. Deism is proven more reliable than religion. Religion is like a social code and control system engraining fear for its followers and they mustn't leave or they're threatened. I feel sorry for my country since we have been ruled by the Ottomans long ago. I have a Muslim name. I probably have some Turkish blood, ugh. My culture is all based on Turks and we have Turkish loan words .
    Do ut des. I give so you may give.
    Do ut fascias. I give so you may do.
    Deficit omne quod nasciture. Everything that is born will die.
    A preacher's logic: "Fais comme je dis, non comme j'agis." Do as I say, not as I do.
    "Le parole est l'ombre du fait." A word is a shadow of action.
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #10 - October 12, 2013, 05:26 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on October 12, 2013, 03:53 AM
    Oh yes? And exactly why were you looking up stuff on bestiality?  whistling2


    I didn't. I think this was actually in that ridiculous blue book they give Pakistani girls when they get married. There is a section on necrophilia, too. I wanted to burn it, drown it, shred it, throw it away. My husband wouldn't let me.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #11 - October 12, 2013, 05:29 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on October 12, 2013, 03:53 AM
    Oh yes? And exactly why were you looking up stuff on bestiality?  whistling2


    Says the man, wowing us with his anecdote about a woman fucking a dog. The fucking irony. No hard feelings Oz.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #12 - October 12, 2013, 05:36 PM
    LOL^
     
     Cheesy


     parrot parrot parrot parrot Here 'ye here 'ye parrots for all!  Smiley
    Do ut des. I give so you may give.
    Do ut fascias. I give so you may do.
    Deficit omne quod nasciture. Everything that is born will die.
    A preacher's logic: "Fais comme je dis, non comme j'agis." Do as I say, not as I do.
    "Le parole est l'ombre du fait." A word is a shadow of action.
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #13 - October 12, 2013, 05:48 PM
    melymely, if it makes you feel better there's more an a billion none religious people throughout the world according to statistics a few years ago. Christians first, muslims second, none religious third, and hindus fourth at a billion. And we're growing Smiley
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #14 - October 12, 2013, 07:07 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on October 12, 2013, 05:48 PM
    melymely, if it makes you feel better there's more an a billion none religious people throughout the world according to statistics a few years ago. Christians first, muslims second, none religious third, and hindus fourth at a billion. And we're growing Smiley


    I agree! If I am asked to go to the mosque and fast though, I probably will have to. Like, stay a cultural Muslim? But at heart, I found truth. If God wants to send me into the pits of Hell just for taking off one anxiety then so be it! Satan can welcome me if he wants! Plus, I might have GAD/generalized anxiety disorder and one of my constant worries was my sexual orientation, society, school and RELIGION! At least I can take religion off the list.  Smiley
    Do ut des. I give so you may give.
    Do ut fascias. I give so you may do.
    Deficit omne quod nasciture. Everything that is born will die.
    A preacher's logic: "Fais comme je dis, non comme j'agis." Do as I say, not as I do.
    "Le parole est l'ombre du fait." A word is a shadow of action.
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #15 - October 12, 2013, 07:12 PM
    Islam isn't true, your sexuality is your business no one elses, school isn't forever, lol can't comment on the society thing. Bosnia isn't that heavily religious as a country is it?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #16 - October 12, 2013, 07:18 PM
    Thanks, my stupid GAD needs assurance ALL THE TIME AND IT DRIVES ME CRAZY.

    Yep, pretty much. Had 2 long distance relationships already...only with girls.
    And yep. I'll be a psychologist, have a dog and as I grow older, I'll care less what my parents expect me.  grin12

    Plus religion makes me feel ashamed when I get sexually aroused even when it's natural in puberty. Oh well. Screw religion. This life shouldn't be shitty just to enter Paradise with men who claim 72 virgins! Islam is even more fallacious than the other two Abrahamic religions!
    Do ut des. I give so you may give.
    Do ut fascias. I give so you may do.
    Deficit omne quod nasciture. Everything that is born will die.
    A preacher's logic: "Fais comme je dis, non comme j'agis." Do as I say, not as I do.
    "Le parole est l'ombre du fait." A word is a shadow of action.
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #17 - October 12, 2013, 07:21 PM
    How are things in the country for same sex couples?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #18 - October 12, 2013, 08:14 PM
    Well, they don't get stoned or killed. But they are frowned upon.
    Oh and just  because these muslims here are "secular" and more "open" they still are against homosexuality
    and I know a girl who has a hijab on and all, she said this lesbian girl should be killed. There you go!  Islam, religion of peace.
    Do ut des. I give so you may give.
    Do ut fascias. I give so you may do.
    Deficit omne quod nasciture. Everything that is born will die.
    A preacher's logic: "Fais comme je dis, non comme j'agis." Do as I say, not as I do.
    "Le parole est l'ombre du fait." A word is a shadow of action.
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #19 - October 12, 2013, 08:16 PM
    Plus, people say you're either straight or gay.. Nothinl in between. Plus, if you like the same gender regardless if you are gay or bisexual, it's still considered "gross, shameful, Allah's test, mental illness" etc.
    Do ut des. I give so you may give.
    Do ut fascias. I give so you may do.
    Deficit omne quod nasciture. Everything that is born will die.
    A preacher's logic: "Fais comme je dis, non comme j'agis." Do as I say, not as I do.
    "Le parole est l'ombre du fait." A word is a shadow of action.
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #20 - October 12, 2013, 08:44 PM
    Quote from: devilsadvokat on October 12, 2013, 05:29 PM
    Says the man, wowing us with his anecdote about a woman fucking a dog.

    Your point? grin12
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #21 - October 12, 2013, 08:49 PM
    Quote from: melymely on October 12, 2013, 08:16 PM
    Plus, people say you're either straight or gay.. Nothinl in between. Plus, if you like the same gender regardless if you are gay or bisexual, it's still considered "gross, shameful, Allah's test, mental illness" etc.


    The west used to be like this as well. If we got past it, no reason Bosnia can't Smiley
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #22 - October 12, 2013, 09:00 PM
    That is true, but I do not expect it until Bosnia gets rid of Islam. We do have Christians, but Islam is 41%...Canada was safer for me, lol.
    Do ut des. I give so you may give.
    Do ut fascias. I give so you may do.
    Deficit omne quod nasciture. Everything that is born will die.
    A preacher's logic: "Fais comme je dis, non comme j'agis." Do as I say, not as I do.
    "Le parole est l'ombre du fait." A word is a shadow of action.
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #23 - October 12, 2013, 09:08 PM
    Bosnia wants to join the EU. If that happens it will have to incorporate European Human Rights with it's own laws, which would make discrimination based on sexuality illegal.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #24 - October 12, 2013, 09:29 PM
    Oh I hope so. And hopefully we get more foreigners and PLEAAASE more immigrants here. Even if we'll get bombers or some shit, if my country becomes like Canada I can feel more safe to be 'different'. I also would like to see more Asians. The rare amount of them are never seen, due to ignorance towards different looking people. The rest of us are either ALL plain white or some uncivilized Gypsies.
    Do ut des. I give so you may give.
    Do ut fascias. I give so you may do.
    Deficit omne quod nasciture. Everything that is born will die.
    A preacher's logic: "Fais comme je dis, non comme j'agis." Do as I say, not as I do.
    "Le parole est l'ombre du fait." A word is a shadow of action.
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #25 - October 12, 2013, 09:34 PM
    Trust me you don't want bombers, unless I'm wrong in thinking actual bombers who bomb people?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #26 - October 12, 2013, 09:35 PM
    I know the EU and Bosnia struck a deal to make it easier to Bosnians to get visas to go to mainland Europe. Something to look into? How old are you if you don't mind me asking?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #27 - October 12, 2013, 09:40 PM
    Ah I see. Hopefully though my country changes. Because it's usually the unknown country in Europe and we only get tourists from Europe, that's all. Let me PM you my real age (might be a shock slightly xD But oh well.)
    Do ut des. I give so you may give.
    Do ut fascias. I give so you may do.
    Deficit omne quod nasciture. Everything that is born will die.
    A preacher's logic: "Fais comme je dis, non comme j'agis." Do as I say, not as I do.
    "Le parole est l'ombre du fait." A word is a shadow of action.
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #28 - October 12, 2013, 09:41 PM
    Quote
    mainland Europe.


    How is Bosnia not mainland Europe?  Huh?
  • My thoughts about Islam/sins
     Reply #29 - October 12, 2013, 09:46 PM
    I think they meant something off the lines of "Already European Union countries"

    will be

    but I already admit without EU, we are unknowns.  ghost
    Do ut des. I give so you may give.
    Do ut fascias. I give so you may do.
    Deficit omne quod nasciture. Everything that is born will die.
    A preacher's logic: "Fais comme je dis, non comme j'agis." Do as I say, not as I do.
    "Le parole est l'ombre du fait." A word is a shadow of action.
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