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     OP - October 27, 2013, 07:07 PM
    I am a UK ex christian. I have just finished a study of the Koran. I think that both the bible and the Koran are horrible dictatorial suppressive books. However, despite Christianities many woeful failings, I do feel there are a few (not many just a few) farily good things - the promotion of forgiveness and love for example. I do realise that christianity is frequently rampantly hypocritical about this, and many devout chistians are full of hate.
     I am wondering if there are any things that muslims would regard as positive, in Islaam, even after they have the courage to  see the Koran as it is, a medievial superstitious rant (IMO)? I would suggest that the promotion of family life would be one example, except that the Koran does this by suppressing women.
  • Advice from ex muslioms needed
     Reply #1 - October 27, 2013, 07:11 PM
    One thing I loved about Islam was that it encouraged people in their duties to their community, their families.
    You can find that in other traditions, I am sure. It just was more concrete for me in Islam.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Advice from ex muslioms needed
     Reply #2 - October 27, 2013, 07:14 PM
    The islamic emphasis on charity immediately comes to mind as a virtue of the religion.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Advice from ex muslioms needed
     Reply #3 - October 27, 2013, 08:02 PM
    Charity? Could you expand? Do you mean like Hamas working for the dispossessed?
  • Advice from ex muslioms needed
     Reply #4 - October 27, 2013, 08:16 PM
    Zakat, which is the compulsory giving of a set proportion of one's wealth to charity. It's one of the five pillars of islam. There's a number of rulings and theological justifications and pushes towards giving to the needy.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Advice from ex muslioms needed
     Reply #5 - October 27, 2013, 08:37 PM
    thank you
  • Advice from ex muslioms needed
     Reply #6 - October 27, 2013, 08:39 PM
    No worries.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Advice from ex muslioms needed
     Reply #7 - October 27, 2013, 09:00 PM
    Funny the other 4 pillars seem to be instruments of suppression.

  • Advice from ex muslioms needed
     Reply #8 - October 28, 2013, 02:00 AM
    The anal cleansing ritual. Worth proselytizing Islam just for that alone. I'm serious.








    (Or maybe not.)
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  • Advice from ex muslioms needed
     Reply #9 - October 28, 2013, 02:45 AM
    Do Muslims really believe they are the only people in the world to wash their arse after having a dump? Seems so sometimes.
  • Advice from ex muslioms needed
     Reply #10 - October 28, 2013, 03:11 AM
    Doesn't matter to me if they are or aren't. Imma proselytize what I think is nice.  yes

    Also think it's delightfully ironic that Islam's real accomplishment of lasting value after 1400 years would be the codification of and spreading of such a ritual.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Advice from ex muslioms needed
     Reply #11 - October 28, 2013, 03:44 AM
    Wudu doesn't even strike me as very hygienic. Unless performed in ideal conditions, there seem lots of scope for dispersing filth rather than getting rid of it.

    Or are the bidet and the washlet Muslim inventions? There are so many, I forget.
  • Advice from ex muslioms needed
     Reply #12 - October 28, 2013, 06:32 AM
    Screw wudu, not realy bothered about that part. Its the washing the ass that's amazing.

    Don't be fat, and there's room for it all to go down the toilet. You've got to get step 1 down first, which is troublesome for some I guess.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
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  • Advice from ex muslioms needed
     Reply #13 - October 28, 2013, 11:24 AM
    I second some of these, cleanliness, charity, responsibilities to community and family, particularly to elderly parents which I think a lot of people neglect these days.

    One more thing for me, which I doubt many people would agree with but the element of self control, yes much of it is more obedience or ritualistic indoctrination some may say, but I really appreciated the level of self control some (definitely not all) Muslims demonstrated, which is an element in all faiths but I haven't seen the practise of it as frequently in other faiths. Being a control freak myself, it appealed to me, in the sense that you can use that to assess a situation think about the consequences and refrain from it. Especially in a world where people find it hard to follow their own instincts when it comes to peer, or societal pressures
    "Make anyone believe their own knowledge and logic is insufficient and you'll have a puppet susceptible to manipulation."
  • Advice from ex muslioms needed
     Reply #14 - October 28, 2013, 12:31 PM
    Jibbs, you talk sense and have a scary beard for a lady.
  • Advice from ex muslioms needed
     Reply #15 - October 28, 2013, 12:37 PM
    Quote from: three on October 27, 2013, 07:11 PM
    One thing I loved about Islam was that it encouraged people in their duties to their community, their families.
    You can find that in other traditions, I am sure. It just was more concrete for me in Islam.



    As you say though, that isn't unique to Muslims. Emphasis on family, looking after elderly, community etc is normative in cultures from Japan through Asia, into the Meditteranean,.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Advice from ex muslioms needed
     Reply #16 - October 28, 2013, 01:38 PM
    ....... wrong folder..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Advice from ex muslioms needed
     Reply #17 - October 28, 2013, 04:53 PM
    Wink thanks David, yea hormone imbalance gone mad thought I'd embrace it lol
    "Make anyone believe their own knowledge and logic is insufficient and you'll have a puppet susceptible to manipulation."
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