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  • In Defense of Young Earth Creationists (or: William Lane Craig is a hypocrite)
     OP - November 16, 2013, 09:11 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLOBVP1falU

     Cheesy

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • In Defense of Young Earth Creationists (or: William Lane Craig is a hypocrite)
     Reply #1 - November 16, 2013, 09:40 PM

    wa-wa-wee-wa

    I LIKE!

    It's nice....  Afro

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • In Defense of Young Earth Creationists (or: William Lane Craig is a hypocrite)
     Reply #2 - November 17, 2013, 08:50 AM

    good video  Smiley Afro

    Tell people that there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority will believe you.

    Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure.
    - George Carlin
  • In Defense of Young Earth Creationists (or: William Lane Craig is a hypocrite)
     Reply #3 - November 17, 2013, 10:49 AM

    As I understand it the Bible is not only saying the universe is about 6,000 years old - Ussher - (where did this 10,000 year heresy come from?) but also that it is flat and that the sun moon and stars go around it.

    So the yecs are wrong because they have got most of it wrong about what the Bible says.

    And WLC takes his stuff about the Holy Spirit from the Bible, he should also be a YEC Flat earth geocentric.  Jesus died in Jerusalem for a reason - it is the centre of the universe.

    http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm

    Quote
    The Flat-Earth Bible
    © 1987, 1995 by Robert J. Schadewald
    Reprinted from The Bulletin of the Tychonian Society #44 (July 1987)

    When I first became interested in the flat-earthers in the early 1970s, I was surprised to learn that flat-earthism in the English-speaking world is and always has been entirely based upon the Bible. I have since assembled and read an extensive collection of flat-earth literature. The Biblical arguments for flat-earthism that follow come mainly from my reading of flat-earth literature, augmented by my own reading of the Bible.

    Except among Biblical inerrantists, it is generally agreed that the Bible describes an immovable earth. At the 1984 National Bible-Science Conference in Cleveland, geocentrist James N. Hanson told me there are hundreds of scriptures that suggest the earth is immovable. I suspect some must be a bit vague, but here are a few obvious texts:

    1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
    Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
    Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
    Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
    Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”
    Suffice to say that the earth envisioned by flat-earthers is as immovable as any geocentrist could desire. Most (perhaps all) scriptures commonly cited by geocentrists have also been cited by flat-earthers. The flat-earth view is geocentricity with further restrictions.

    Like geocentrists, flat-earth advocates often give long lists of texts. Samuel Birley Rowbotham, founder of the modern flat-earth movement, cited 76 scriptures in the last chapter of his monumental second edition of Earth not a Globe. Apostle Anton Darms, assistant to the Reverend Wilbur Glenn Voliva, America's best known flat-earther, compiled 50 questions about the creation and the shape of the earth, bolstering his answers with up to 20 scriptures each. Rather than presenting an exhaustive compendium of flat-earth scriptures, I focus on those which seem to me the strongest. I also comment on some attempts to find the earth's sphericity in the Bible.



    Is the Koran also flat earth, immovable, geocentric?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • In Defense of Young Earth Creationists (or: William Lane Craig is a hypocrite)
     Reply #4 - November 17, 2013, 11:05 AM

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    Art thou not aware of thy Sustainer [through His works]? - how He causes the shadow to lengthen [towards the night] when, had He so willed, He could indeed have made it stand still: but then, We have made the sun its guide;
    Qur'an 25:45


    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Geocentric_Qur'an

    So Allah got it wrong - shadow's lengthen because of the movement of the earth, not the movement of the sun! 

    Has anyone asked why it says if he willed it it could stand still when that is precisely what happened in the Hebrew Bible?

    Quote
    9 After an all-night march from Gilgal, Joshua took them by surprise. 10 The Lord threw them into confusion before Israel, so Joshua and the Israelites defeated them completely at Gibeon. Israel pursued them along the road going up to Beth Horon and cut them down all the way to Azekah and Makkedah. 11 As they fled before Israel on the road down from Beth Horon to Azekah, the Lord hurled large hailstones down on them, and more of them died from the hail than were killed by the swords of the Israelites.

    12 On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord in the presence of Israel:

    “Sun, stand still over Gibeon,
        and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.”
    13 So the sun stood still,
        and the moon stopped,
        till the nation avenged itself on its enemies,
    as it is written in the Book of Jashar.

    The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. 14 There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the Lord listened to a human being. Surely the Lord was fighting for Israel!


    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joshua+10&version=NIV

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • In Defense of Young Earth Creationists (or: William Lane Craig is a hypocrite)
     Reply #5 - November 17, 2013, 02:23 PM

    despite the enthusiasm in that wiki article, the quran is not meant to be read as a book of scientific observations.
  • In Defense of Young Earth Creationists (or: William Lane Craig is a hypocrite)
     Reply #6 - November 17, 2013, 02:27 PM

    The Quran is meant to be read exactly how some people think it is meant to be read and how some argue it is not meant to be read. Why not just not read the book and do something useful?

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • In Defense of Young Earth Creationists (or: William Lane Craig is a hypocrite)
     Reply #7 - November 17, 2013, 03:01 PM

    that's a good question to put to ex-muslims - I sometimes wonder if they end up reading it more than before they left.
  • In Defense of Young Earth Creationists (or: William Lane Craig is a hypocrite)
     Reply #8 - November 17, 2013, 03:02 PM

    You'd be surprised how often that's true.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • In Defense of Young Earth Creationists (or: William Lane Craig is a hypocrite)
     Reply #9 - November 17, 2013, 03:09 PM

    that's a good question to put to ex-muslims - I sometimes wonder if they end up reading it more than before they left.


    To read is to believe. To understand is to disbelieve.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • In Defense of Young Earth Creationists (or: William Lane Craig is a hypocrite)
     Reply #10 - November 22, 2013, 06:55 PM

    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Geocentric_Qur'an

    So Allah got it wrong - shadow's lengthen because of the movement of the earth, not the movement of the sun! 

    Has anyone asked why it says if he willed it it could stand still when that is precisely what happened in the Hebrew Bible?

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joshua+10&version=NIV


    It's a good argument, but you can still interpret it differently. The sun is still the "source" or "guide" of your shadow. Depends on which way you look at it. It doesn't mention anything about movement. In my opinion, the Qur'aan is much, much, much more vague than the Bible, which is more specific when narrating its stories for example.

    Other than that, WikiIslam has to be one of the poorest sites I have ever seen.
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