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  • misconception about men
     OP - December 23, 2013, 08:46 PM

    Okey, so I have a question for you, especially guys, about men. Growing up I had a very poor and bad image of men. I had an absent father, he was a complete psycho and I still hate his guts. No other men on my mothers or my fathers side were "normal". Most were dead-beat dads with questionable moral. I grew up with no father figure or male role model. My mother always taught me to never trust men.

    When I became Muslim, further stereotyping about men was instilled in me. All of a sudden all men only wanted sex, had no respect for women and only said they support equality in order to get in your pants. The only "good" men are Muslims, but only those who are religious married to a rightous Muslim wife. And this is only because they fear allah.

    Intelectually, I understand that this probably isn't true. But I have a need to discuss this image of men I've got over the years. Is the "typical guy" a sexist chauvanist who can't be loyal or faithful? Is this fear/prejudice I have "normal" or do I have yet another thing to put on my list of stuff I blame my dysfunctional childhood for...


    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • misconception about men
     Reply #1 - December 23, 2013, 09:22 PM

    Typically such exaggerated stereotypes are not true.  And your personal experiences do not always reflect the wider situation.  For example, my mom is a drug felon who constantly slept with random men, having multiple children simply to get child support out of their fathers, and is to this day an all around sleezeball.  I don't think all or most women are like this, though.
  • misconception about men
     Reply #2 - December 23, 2013, 09:36 PM

    1) Not all men are the good looking wealthy and well dressed pop/film stars that you read about who go around sleeping with 20 women a week, which is something the apologists don't seem to udnerstand. Also, neither are most women thin make-up layered perfectly manicured drama queens that are paraded in the media, which is also something that apologists appear to think defines the 'typical' western woman.

    2) Most people want to have sex. It is a natural drive. Most people know that there are sexual conventions that govern sexual behaviour. Most people know that transgressng these social conventions are frowned upon. Most people know about the laws governing consent and sexual harrasment. There is much focus on the issue of consent, rape and law throughout western society which is discussed on many a media platform. Awareness of ones sexuality provides one with a greater capacity to control ones sexual behaviour/desires.

    3) There are gay men out there.

    4) Women like sex too.

    5) The fear that you have appears to be crippling you. The good thing about it is that it's not genetic but a 'mental state' that you can break through. You jsut have to deprogramme your brain. Learn to take responsibility for your actions, talk to some guys and ask them some questions. Maybe becomes friends, fall in love and who knows.....maybe you'll find out that YOU'RE the sexual deviant.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • misconception about men
     Reply #3 - December 23, 2013, 10:31 PM

    Most people like sex, I like sex. It's not "news" to me, and that's not the problem. I was sexually frigid up until a couple of years ago when I "dealt" with it (on my own, in a "non-conventional" way..whatever), and luckily don't have that problem anymore. I've left the ideas about "purity" where they belong, in the trash bin. The thing is, muslims try to potray every other non-muslim male as unfaithful and disloyal. Which quite frankly frightens me since this is what I learnt from my mother that ALL men are. This unability to trust men have, I think, been the reason I've never been able to fall in love.

    I don't even know what I want to discuss, but these things really bothers me especially since a lot of people have made me think that a person cannot love me or like me for who I am, rather men are just interested in one thing. I know that's probably not a normal thing to believe or think.

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • misconception about men
     Reply #4 - December 23, 2013, 10:45 PM

    You've been brainwashed and you've had that reinforced.

    You'll have to do something about it. It's normal to be cautious. It's okay. It's who you are at this moment. Don't let it get you down.

    The fact that you acknowledge it shows that you are doing something about it. In all honesty, there will be people out there that will want you for sex and others for other reasons. You'll get to find out for yourself by taking sensible risks. Taking your time. Getting to know people and engaging in relationships on your own terms. This is the complete opposite of what the typical Muslim family may teach you. Instead we are made to be paranoid about the opposite sex and this leads to social dysfunction. Break the cycle.

    You're not alone in this.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • misconception about men
     Reply #5 - December 24, 2013, 01:12 AM

    a person cannot love me or like me for who I am, rather men are just interested in one thing.

    You are mistaken, Cornflower. But you know this, hence the thread.

    It will just take time.
  • misconception about men
     Reply #6 - December 24, 2013, 01:37 AM

    I have a lot of brothers. I know better, and I have/had an unrealistic fear of men. Now I have gotten over my fear of Western men, and am trying to get over the fear of Muslim men. There is not much room for practice where I live on that one, though, and it seems to be a different kettle of fish. Many Muslim men here are first generation from segregated cultures and have unrealistic ideas of women. So maybe I don't even want to work on that issue. I can grow a spine and still avoid a group of people for my own comfort.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • misconception about men
     Reply #7 - December 24, 2013, 09:25 PM

    I know what you mean Cornflower.  I've not had too many men in my life.  My birth dad walked out when I was a baby.  The first responsible guy in my life was my new stepdad.  And he's so strict and has always gone on at me about never spending time with guys as they're all after sex.  I find it really hard to spend any time around guys.
  • misconception about men
     Reply #8 - December 24, 2013, 09:51 PM

    Most people like sex, I like sex. It's not "news" to me, and that's not the problem. I was sexually frigid up until a couple of years ago when I "dealt" with it (on my own, in a "non-conventional" way..whatever), and luckily don't have that problem anymore. I've left the ideas about "purity" where they belong, in the trash bin. The thing is, muslims try to potray every other non-muslim male as unfaithful and disloyal. Which quite frankly frightens me since this is what I learnt from my mother that ALL men are. This unability to trust men have, I think, been the reason I've never been able to fall in love.

    I don't even know what I want to discuss, but these things really bothers me especially since a lot of people have made me think that a person cannot love me or like me for who I am, rather men are just interested in one thing. I know that's probably not a normal thing to believe or think.


    I war with myself over the same thing.  1 - because of a shitty uninvolved and physically abusive father, and husband, and 2 - because of bad experiences absent islam, and 3 - because most guys I know talk cheap about women they are dating.  I had to outright ban my brother and tell him none of his friends could come into my house until they started referring to the women they are seeing respectfully.

    Of course that's most, and whilst you could attribute my bro to the islamic background, none of his friends were or are, yet they speak just as disgustingly as he did.  

    I'm older now, so I am mostly invisible, which means I further get to listen into guys in uni, cafes, pubs, and clubs, being all macho as they receive a text from someone they are seeing, and talk trash about this 'sket' or that 'gash', that they are hooking up with tonight.

    I also am watching my son's navigate the bullshit, and trying to retain their masculinity, by changing from the more open boys they once were.

    Still though most is just most, it's not all.  Not all men fall victim to the role they are expected to enact.  Some men naturally don't feel at home in that false bravado, and imposed emotional solitude that masculinity tries to foist on to them.

    That's why the war remains in my head.  A war between what my emotional pain and life long experience has shown me, and what some male friends have shown me, is not the case.

    Mostly though, it's the emotional side that wins out.

    It's a depressing war.

    Some guys who have been stung before, also struggle with as I have male friends questioning whether all women are callous cheaters.  

    It's not just Islam, girls with non Islamic backgrounds, and boys, the question doesn't discriminate because for many people experience begins to confirm stereotypes and solidifies them.

    The trick is, so I hear anyway, to recognise that there is no, all men are this, or all women are that, because there is no black and white male or female, there are just people.  Good ones, shit ones, in betweeners.  No line clearly dividing the 2.

    Making set lines means condemning people who don't fit a box, into deviants, and knowing that helps me deal with the warring question.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • misconception about men
     Reply #9 - December 24, 2013, 11:55 PM

    I think sex is beautiful thing, no people just seem to get the middle ground. Religious people say it's ok only if you are married and even then many have very exact rules. Like some do it only in the dark and they do it only to make children. Then many unreligious don't see anything deeper with it. For them it's like some kind of achievement to get their meat into some vagina and they don't actually seem to get anything else besides bragging rights, empty nuts and possible STD's.
    I think sex is beautiful thing when two persons who like to be intimate with each other are together safely and without pressure, regardless of their status as a couple or what genitalia they have.

    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • misconception about men
     Reply #10 - February 04, 2014, 09:36 AM

    Ohh, I missed this. You may wish to scroll through some of these.

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22782.0

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22816.0

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=19402.0

    Also just throwing this in there Smiley

    3. Issue a fatwa making it a religious duty to educate yourself on the realities of date-rape drugs of all kinds and sexual violence, including victim stories and medical/legal reports.

    4. Include in the fatwa the clarification that the point of learning about it isn't so you can become a more efficient rapist.


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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