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  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     OP - February 02, 2014, 04:51 AM
    The baby who had Quranic verses appear on his skin, I think in 2009. Was that ever debunked?
    Not saying that I think it is miracle but has it been debunked?
    Thanks!
    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #1 - February 02, 2014, 06:01 AM
    Quote from: Siunaa Maailmaa on February 02, 2014, 04:51 AM
    The baby who had Quranic verses appear on his skin, I think in 2009. Was that ever debunked?
    Not saying that I think it is miracle but has it been debunked?
    Thanks!

    what is NOT a miracle in Islam? everything is a miracle in Islam Siunaa Maailmaa .,  we can deal with stupid miracles later but this problem of "stupid question" should be discussed first

    Quote
    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I don't speak English as my 1st language, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley


    Nooooooo    1st language is nothing to do with your questions.
    curious people do not ask stupid questions
    you are smart and have a lot of patience

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSyxwkZ7Uc8


    an read this  http://www.archive2012.faithfreedom.org/one/russian-miracle-baby-or-skin-disease/  Siunaa Maailmaa
    we will discuss it later,,
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #2 - February 02, 2014, 08:09 AM
    common skin condition.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermatographic_urticaria

  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #3 - February 02, 2014, 08:28 AM
    i read the debunking articles about these "miracles" in alisina's site . I really hate that lunatic but his past articles really have good content . Now he's a certified deistic lunatic where i think he is making up a new religion .
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #4 - February 02, 2014, 10:29 AM
    Quote from: dr_sloth on February 02, 2014, 08:09 AM
    common skin condition.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermatographic_urticaria

    (Clicky for piccy!)

       
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #5 - February 02, 2014, 04:12 PM
    Quote from: dr_sloth on February 02, 2014, 08:09 AM
    common skin condition.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermatographic_urticaria

    (Clicky for piccy!)


    That doesn't really look the same at all.

    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #6 - February 02, 2014, 04:15 PM
    Look at all the redness surrounding the writing. That looks as if something has irritated the skin. I would never suspect that of being naturally occurring.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #7 - February 02, 2014, 04:26 PM
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #8 - February 02, 2014, 04:46 PM
    Quote
    Quote from: Siunaa Maailmaa on February 02, 2014, 04:12 PM
    That doesn't really look the same at all.
    (Clicky for piccy!)
    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Quote from: three on February 02, 2014, 04:15 PM
    Look at all the redness surrounding the writing. That looks as if something has irritated the skin. I would never suspect that of being naturally occurring.


    Yap.,   The kids are already having skin problems., these ISLAMIC IDIOTS whose brains run around  miracles must be scratching the kid's skin with some rough surface such as  dried wheat grass



    scoundrels....
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #9 - February 02, 2014, 04:48 PM
    Quote from: three on February 02, 2014, 04:15 PM
    Look at all the redness surrounding the writing. That looks as if something has irritated the skin. I would never suspect that of being naturally occurring.


    I don't really see redness in the second picture.
    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #10 - February 02, 2014, 05:02 PM
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    I don't really see redness in the second picture.


    Do you see stupidity and gullibility?
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #11 - February 02, 2014, 05:10 PM
     
    Quote from: Siunaa Maailmaa on February 02, 2014, 04:48 PM
    I don't really see redness in the second picture.

    that is because it depends upon  kid's skin problems and how strong they scratch the kid skin  and and how many hours did they wait to take the video or pictures of the kid...   gullible RASCALS....
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #12 - February 02, 2014, 05:56 PM
    Quote from: Siunaa Maailmaa on February 02, 2014, 04:48 PM
    I don't really see redness in the second picture.


    I do.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #13 - February 02, 2014, 06:39 PM
    Quote from: Siunaa Maailmaa on February 02, 2014, 04:48 PM
    I don't really see redness in the second picture.

    Do you see it in the first picture?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #14 - February 02, 2014, 07:18 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on February 02, 2014, 05:02 PM
    Do you see stupidity and gullibility?


    I see my stupidity and gullibility, but as I have many times said, my fear, lack of confidence, anxiety and worries make me blind and I need this forum to help me from getting drowned into the sea of lies of Islamic scholars. So I also understand how idiotic it is that I cannot skip some random "miracle" in Russia that is not proven at all, but if I just skip it, it will haunt me in my subconcious mind and it will pop up someday. We say around here: "What is left behind will be found in front of you"
    I know I sound stupid when asking similar questions time after time, but forgive me. I just try to cope, that's all. I'm not troll or complete idiot. CEMB has helped me more than anyone could have ever helped and for example, you guys/girls helped me realize how stupid the Literary miracle is and many others.
    Now I'm almost free, free to a degree that I couldn't have believed about 8 months ago but there is still some things haunting, Ali Yakubov's case is one of them. So don't stop helping me when I'm just finally winning the battle.
    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #15 - February 02, 2014, 07:21 PM
    Look in between the letters in the second picture. Where they curve, and from letter to the tic mark, and etc. You can see a redness, and also in the fold behind the knee, where skin is thin. It is not skin colored, but still shows irritation.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #16 - February 02, 2014, 07:31 PM
    Quote from: Siunaa Maailmaa on February 02, 2014, 07:18 PM
    I see my stupidity and gullibility, but as I have many times said, my fear, lack of confidence, anxiety and worries make me blind and I need this forum to help me from getting drowned into the sea of lies of Islamic scholars.


    Hey Siunaa, I really didn't mean to have a go at you at all. I'm sorry if it came across like that. The stupidity and gullibility bit is aimed towards the people who actually BELIEVE that this 'miracle' is true. 
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #17 - February 02, 2014, 07:43 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on February 02, 2014, 06:39 PM
    Do you see it in the first picture?


    Well to some degree, yes. But that kid is very white like I am and I often have red marks around me. So I don't know if it proves anything.

    Quote from: three on February 02, 2014, 07:21 PM
    Look in between the letters in the second picture. Where they curve, and from letter to the tic mark, and etc. You can see a redness, and also in the fold behind the knee, where skin is thin. It is not skin colored, but still shows irritation.


    I see what you mean.


    I couldn't find any similar writing in someone' skin. So does anyone have pictures where they include same looking writing in the skin.
    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #18 - February 02, 2014, 07:44 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on February 02, 2014, 07:31 PM
    Hey Siunaa, I really didn't mean to have a go at you at all. I'm sorry if it came across like that. The stupidity and gullibility bit is aimed towards the people who actually BELIEVE that this 'miracle' is true. 


    Ok, but I wouldn't have been offended because I am acting quite stupid because of my fears.
    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #19 - February 02, 2014, 07:51 PM
    there is nothing wrong with wanted to debunk even a stupid sounding claim. But you should be asking what the evidence is first. If there is no real good evidence in the first place, then these claims dont even need debunking.

    Anybody can make up any ludicrous claim they like. The added threat of hell on top should be no more reason to take a ludicrous claim with no evidence seriously. If this allah is real, then surely she is not going to expect her followers to believe things just because they are threatened? What kind of pathetic god is that? Not one worthy of worship anyway.
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #20 - February 02, 2014, 07:52 PM
    ^^^^^^^^

    Stupid ask the questions and look for answers that they want to hear. You do not question, you challenge yourself. That's not stupid, that's smart. I wish there were more of you.

    Make it your business to aonly ask one question a day and then live. Watch a funny clip, read a funny joke or do something silly.

    khbasdfkjbsadljkgbasdkj gfnksd gfkjhcbvounck  dsljnsdlgknsdlkvn dfjndasjlfn djlnflksdnglknadsg

    See? It's not that hard!
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #21 - February 02, 2014, 07:55 PM
    Quote from: Siunaa Maailmaa on February 02, 2014, 07:43 PM
    Well to some degree, yes. But that kid is very white like I am and I often have red marks around me. So I don't know if it proves anything.

    I see what you mean.


    I couldn't find any similar writing in someone' skin. So does anyone have pictures where they include same looking writing in the skin.


    When I was a kid, I used to do all sorts of plant experiments from the woods and gardens around my house.
    I found the leaves from a vodka begonia, when crushed, created a juice that painted red on the skin, with no ill effects. It would leave less irritation than whatever was used here.
    Henna comes in many colors, does it not?
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #22 - February 02, 2014, 08:56 PM
    I have no clue Smiley I don't know what Henna is. In here it's just female name and shampoo that smells like actual sh*t (I don't know why anyone uses it). I assume this is not the same Henna? Have you found pictures what Henna looks like when on the skin? If you have any similar to little Ali it would be great to see Smiley
    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #23 - February 02, 2014, 10:09 PM
    There are some things I don't feel the need to debunk. Things like this and babies being born holding a quran fall under that.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #24 - February 02, 2014, 10:46 PM


    You can be very precise while writing with henna. But that is not the only thing that works like this.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #25 - February 03, 2014, 08:40 AM
    Yes, the first thing I thought about was henna.

    It begs the question: Aren't those parents who fabricate stories like these aware of the point they're making? Basically making an ironic example of what Muhammed and the founders of Islam has been accused of for centuries. Being charlatans, tricksters and con artists.

    Can anyone fabricate a miracle like that and still have faith btw? "I don't really believe there is a god out there to perform this miracle for me, nor is there a god out there to punish me for fabricating and lying in his name, so I'll do a miracle myself!"  Roll Eyes
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #26 - February 03, 2014, 08:47 AM
    Quote from: three on February 02, 2014, 10:46 PM
    (Clicky for piccy!)


    Pic reminds me of hindu women I've seen who paint similar looking images on themselves at their weddings. I always found it rather intriguing. If I ever get married I may paint myself like a hindu bride.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #27 - February 03, 2014, 11:40 AM
    Or yellowfy yourself like one Smiley. They apply turmeric paste on the bride and groom's body, especially the face, before the wedding reception. And don't forget they are also fed with sweets, kebabs and fruits.
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #28 - February 03, 2014, 12:15 PM
    1). The baby was born with Quran verses on his skin
    2). Somebody etched/painted/branded it on the poor kid for attention, money or some other reason

    Now, which of the above do you think is more likely?
  • Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov
     Reply #29 - February 03, 2014, 12:29 PM
    Of course the second but this bothers me quite much. I have only small bit of embryology and then this Ali Yakubov to get over and then I don't have anything in Islam that I'm thinking: "Hmm, what if it is true?"

    One reason is that this doesn't really look like any picture of Henna paintings I've found and it doesn't look like any dermatographism I've found either. So that is why I have this small seed of doubt in my mind that doesn't let me liberate myself.
    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
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