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  • Help Me!
     Reply #360 - February 17, 2014, 04:28 AM
    Quote from: S.A.M on February 17, 2014, 04:16 AM
    According the vast majority of the scientific community regards Intelligent Design as psuedoscience or "junk science."

    To date, there has never been any evidence, agreed upon by the scientific community, to be proof of Intelligent Design.



    I don't understand how that relates to your above comment.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #361 - February 17, 2014, 04:28 AM
    Quote from: S.A.M on February 17, 2014, 04:27 AM
    Human because there is no other alien exists on other planets.

    So I'm assuming you're been to every other planet?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #362 - February 17, 2014, 04:29 AM
    Quote from: S.A.M on February 17, 2014, 04:27 AM
    Human because there is no other alien exists on other planets.

    But what do you think is the strongest piece of evidence that the earth existed before the rest of the universe?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Help Me!
     Reply #363 - February 17, 2014, 04:39 AM
    *yawn* deflection and diversion, standard religion banter when one has no answer to the questions they face. You guys have far more patience than I have. I would like to hear an answer beyond hand waving that acts as cover for the emotional appeal of religion
  • Help Me!
     Reply #364 - February 17, 2014, 04:39 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on February 17, 2014, 04:22 AM
    What do you think is the strongest piece of evidence that the earth existed before the rest of the universe?

    Sorry Ishina...I am not scientis.  I cannot provide any strongest piece of evidence... grin12

    Even though Science also cannot provide complete answers to all questions
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #365 - February 17, 2014, 04:43 AM
    Can't prove what? You still haven't stated the science you're talking about that you said I believe or detailed why it's still controversial and unsettled. What are you talking about?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #366 - February 17, 2014, 04:46 AM
    Reading this thread reminds me why I started feeling bad beating up on mental midgets.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Help Me!
     Reply #367 - February 17, 2014, 04:53 AM
    Quote from: S.A.M on February 17, 2014, 04:39 AM
    Sorry Ishina...I am not scientis.  I cannot provide any strongest piece of evidence... grin12

    Ok, so what do you think is the best reason for believing the earth existed before the rest of the universe?

    Quote from: S.A.M on February 17, 2014, 04:39 AM
    Even though Science also cannot provide complete answers to all questions

    You're correct. The scientific method is not the right method to approach all questions with. But let's try to keep focus here. We're currently talking about the age of the earth and the age of everything else in the universe, which I'm sure you'll agree is a question well suited to the scientific method.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Help Me!
     Reply #368 - February 17, 2014, 04:55 AM
    Quote from: asbie on February 17, 2014, 04:46 AM
    Reading this thread reminds me why I started feeling bad beating up on mental midgets.

    I am human has limited knowledge and still searching for the truth of truths
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #369 - February 17, 2014, 05:06 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on February 17, 2014, 04:53 AM
    Ok, so what do you think is the best reason for believing the earth existed before the rest of the universe?

     I am Thinking hard to find the right answer for you...
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #370 - February 17, 2014, 05:07 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on February 17, 2014, 04:43 AM
    You still haven't stated the science you're talking about that you said I believe or detailed why it's still controversial and unsettled. What are you talking about?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #371 - February 17, 2014, 05:14 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on February 17, 2014, 04:43 AM
    Can't prove what? You still haven't stated the science you're talking about that you said I believe or detailed why it's still controversial and unsettled. What are you talking about?

    Do a little research why science is still controversial and unsettled...
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #372 - February 17, 2014, 05:16 AM
    What science are you talking about? You said that the science I believe (which is what by the way?) is still controversial and unsettled. What are you talking about?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #373 - February 17, 2014, 05:49 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on February 17, 2014, 05:07 AM
    What science are you talking about? You said that the science I believe (which is what by the way?) is still controversial and unsettled. What are you talking about?

    I didn't say that you believe science is still controversial and unsettled..

    What I mean science are still widely contested among scientists. That is why, science its still controversial and unsettled
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #374 - February 17, 2014, 06:01 AM
    Not all sciences are controversial and unsettled. You said the sciences IL believe is controversial and unsettled. What sciences? Elaborate.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #375 - February 17, 2014, 06:13 AM
    Sum Eris,

    I am really interested about a supermassive Black Holes. I find this information so exciting.  The popular notion of a Black Hole "sucking in everything" in its surroundings.

    Can you imagine the other way around "something that have created the Universe out of nothing" inside Black Hole all burst out in a single large-scale.

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #376 - February 17, 2014, 06:33 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on February 17, 2014, 04:43 AM
    Can't prove what? You still haven't stated the science you're talking about that you said I believe or detailed why it's still controversial and unsettled. What are you talking about?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #377 - February 17, 2014, 06:51 AM
    Quote from: S.A.M on February 17, 2014, 06:13 AM
    Sum Eris,

    I am really interested about a supermassive Black Holes. I find this information so exciting.  The popular notion of a Black Hole "sucking in everything" in its surroundings.

    Can you imagine the other way around "something that have created the Universe out of nothing" inside Black Hole all burst out in a single large-scale.




    This is actually a hypothesis being tossed around in some of the multiverse concepts. A black hole is essentially a drain in our universe with the outflow into another universe.

    Although not linked with the above concept look up white holes and read any work based on Einstein's general theory of relativity, even his own as a base. Although it's very heavy reading which may not be of use at all.
  • Help Me!
     Reply #378 - February 17, 2014, 07:02 AM
    Quote
    A black hole is essentially a drain in our universe with the outflow into another universe.

     I believe it is true. The outflow into another 'space'.
    .
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #379 - February 17, 2014, 07:21 AM
    Quote from: S.A.M on February 17, 2014, 03:48 AM
    Sum Eris,

    Because you believe and trust scientists in general that science leaders are more accuracy of knowledge than any religion.

    The science is still controversial and unsettled.

    Still waiting for you to explain this.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #380 - February 17, 2014, 10:34 AM
    S.A.M

    You need to be more specific - "Science" is something of a catch-all term here and it's not clear what you actually mean by it. Likewise religion - which used to have epistemological priority, but has now largely ceded the field, as revelatory disclosure is too unreliable, closed and too barren to be of assistance when we ask questions about the natural order of things.

    Do you think that the science of electro-magnetism, which, after all, provides the basis for this conversation over the internet, is unsettled or controversial to the extent that what we're engaged in here is founded on an unstable manipulation, such that controversy could cause our technologies to stop working? Science, as a human activity, makes no claim to closure - it's an open field, and in its rejection of certitude and finality it is epistemologically superior to revelation, which in claiming to "know" everything, in fact knows very little and is unable to authoritatively settle questions at all. If you think that science is unsettled and controversial, how much more so religion?
  • Help Me!
     Reply #381 - February 17, 2014, 12:58 PM
    Quote from: S.A.M on February 17, 2014, 04:39 AM
    Sorry Ishina...I am not scientis.  I cannot provide any strongest piece of evidence... grin12

    Even though Science also cannot provide complete answers to all questions

    Wait a minute. Are you saying that you should throw out all that we've learned from doing science because the scientific knowledge that we've gained is fallible?
  • Help Me!
     Reply #382 - February 17, 2014, 01:26 PM
    Quote from: S.A.M on February 17, 2014, 05:49 AM


    What I mean science are still widely contested among scientists. That is why, science its still controversial and unsettled

    yap..yap you do mean well S.A.M .,  

    True.,   science is  contested by scientists and it should be. But what is there in QURAN no contest..never ever contest. Also what is said/sang/sing by these sufi dopes ., NO CONTEST..NEVER EVER CONTEST...

    S.A.M you traveled long way but there is still  a long way to go..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Help Me!
     Reply #383 - February 17, 2014, 05:53 PM
    Quote from: S.A.M on February 17, 2014, 05:06 AM
    I am Thinking hard to find the right answer for you...

    Just give us the first reason that comes into your head. You must have some kind of reason for believing something so radically ludicrous. You didn't just randomly decide to believe it one day, did you?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Help Me!
     Reply #384 - February 17, 2014, 06:39 PM
    Quote from: S.A.M on February 17, 2014, 05:14 AM
    Do a little research why science is still controversial and unsettled...

    - Science is controversial? What about Islam? Isn't Islam controversial?
    - As a matter of fact. there is nothing controversial about science. There may be certain scientific theories which might be controversial.
    - But scientists are free to present their own therories to support or discredit the controversial theories. Nobody will issue fatwas against them.
    वासुदैव कुटुम्बकम्
    Entire World is One Family
    سارا سنسار ايک پريوار ہے
  • Help Me!
     Reply #385 - February 17, 2014, 06:43 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee
    S.A.M you traveled long way but there is still  a long way to go..

    S.A.M. has travelled long but he has not moved an inch and stuck in the same spot!
    वासुदैव कुटुम्बकम्
    Entire World is One Family
    سارا سنسار ايک پريوار ہے
  • Help Me!
     Reply #386 - February 22, 2014, 10:26 PM
    Hi I'm getting better and I have gotten quite much over totally obsessive thinking. Thanks to everyone of you.
    I have still hundreds of questions and all that, but now I don't have to think about them 24/7.
    I will probably keep asking within these days.

    Peace & love.
    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Help Me!
     Reply #387 - February 23, 2014, 01:36 AM
    Quote from: Siunaa Maailmaa
    I have still hundreds of questions and all that, but now I don't have to think about them 24/7.

    Are any of your questions about HOW to figure out the correct (or best) answers to questions? In other words, are any of your questions about HOW to come to conclusions? In other words, are any of your questions about HOW to judge the truth of ideas?

    If not, then you're asking the wrong questions. If you don't know the answers to the questions I just asked, then how will you figure out which answers are the correct (or best) answers to your "hundreds of questions"?
  • Help Me!
     Reply #388 - February 23, 2014, 12:37 PM
    Quote
    Are any of your questions about HOW to figure out the correct (or best) answers to questions? In other words, are any of your questions about HOW to come to conclusions? In other words, are any of your questions about HOW to judge the truth of ideas?


    Nope. With all the respect, you have now said these same things huge amount of time and I get what you are trying to reach with it, but it's not the way for me. Like many times before, I admit that I give too much benefit of the doubt for Islam. Every time I have went with the road you try to point me in I have found myself turning anxious in my bed.
    The road I'm talking is the road where person reads the text and takes the most likely explanation.
    It makes sense but it doesn't liberate me from the constant thoughts of "What if". Do you understand my friend?
    I've gotten so much help in this thread when you all have been helping me to get over the Islamic propaganda and claims. And you have helped by actually analyzing the verses and claims with me.
    So let's stay on that path.
    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Help Me!
     Reply #389 - February 23, 2014, 12:49 PM
    ^
    Initially I think many Muslims (myself included) feel bad about leaving their faith. However, once you read this religion from a different perspective, as a potential unbeliever, you realize how nonsensical it is. After a while, you stop caring about "what if" and proceed on with your life.

    It's unfortunate, but it is the result of being brainwashed as children that many feel the need to cling on to such nonsense.
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