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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #60 - February 17, 2014, 10:33 PM
    EzraJT...

    How can I break it to you?

    Atheism is not a religion. But since you wish to claim it is: Would you please define what a religion is and distinguish it from 'denomination/sect/cult/New Religious Movement and New Age Movement?'

    So far...atheism is not classed as a religion as the specification for schools/colleges does not address so if you have anything to add please contact the Educaiton Secretary to update the syllabus. And as I am an atheist, I would like to know what religion to put down on the next census 2016.

    Why is civil religion a 'false dichotomy?' Please explain....

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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #61 - February 17, 2014, 10:36 PM
    Hey, Yoda, how can I break it to you?  I explicitly said atheism is not a religion, but some atheists treat it as such, hence why they're forming mega churches.  You need to read my post again.

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    Why is civil religion a 'false dichotomy?' Please explain....


    If it calls itself a religion, I'm going to call it a religion, ya dig?
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #62 - February 17, 2014, 10:38 PM
    Quote from: EzraJT on February 17, 2014, 09:59 PM
    Well yes and no.

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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #63 - February 17, 2014, 10:40 PM
    Did you even read that whole post?  I said: "Well yes and no.  "Atheism" is simply a stance, nothing more, nothing less, but a lot of atheists try to fill the void with religion, and not just traditional.   "New Atheists" try to make it into a religion, they're even making atheist mega churches (lol), and of course there's Transhumanism, and a lot of different examples.  As an atheist, I'm typically embarrassed by other atheists."

    You're not even responding to me, but simply a strawman demon that has apparently offended your atheist sensibilities.
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #64 - February 17, 2014, 10:43 PM
    Calm down EzraJT. First you said 'yes and no' and then go on to say that it you EXPLICITLY said it is not a religion. Contradiction.

    It's just a discussion. Don't piss your pants over it.

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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #65 - February 17, 2014, 10:47 PM
    Yoda, are you having trouble with English?  I'm not even trying to make fun of you, but is it your second language?  I said "Well yes and no.  "Atheism" is simply a stance, nothing more, nothing less, but a lot of atheists try to fill the void with religion, and not just traditional. "  In other words, Atheism is not a religion, but atheists do try to treat it as such oftentimes.  I'm not sure why this is hard to understand?  You weren't even aware of atheist mega churches, which leads me to think you don't have much experience with other atheists.
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #66 - February 17, 2014, 10:56 PM
    To answer your first question English is my first language but I was classed as an EAL student.

    Secondly, even if English wasn't my first language your response was still contradictory. To say 'yes and no' means that you think that atheism could be a religion. Your discussion about what some atheists try to do was jsut another position you put forward.

    If I started of my answer with 'yes and no' I wouldn't blame the other person for assuming that I partially thought that atheism was a religion. You claim:

    Quote from: EzraJT on February 17, 2014, 10:36 PM
    I explicitly said atheism is not a religion,


    You didn't...but you did go on to tell me what some atheists thought.

    Misunderstandings happen. Get over it. But I wouldn't go around and start blaming other people for misunderstanding your badly phrased first sentence and question their understanding of the English language. A bit racist, that is.
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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #67 - February 17, 2014, 10:59 PM
    It seems more like a political movement which happens to hold certain view on religion, government and politics. At least from what the little I have read at some of their members blogs.
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #68 - February 17, 2014, 11:02 PM
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    To answer your first question English is my first language but I was classed as an EAL student.


    What's an EAL student?

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    Secondly, even if English wasn't my first language your response was still contradictory. To say 'yes and no' means that you think that atheism could be a religion. Your discussion about what some atheists try to do was jsut another position you put forward.  Misunderstandings happen. Get over it. But I wouldn't go around and start blaming other people for misunderstanding your badly phrased first sentence and question their understanding of the English language. A bit racist, that is.


    It's not contradictory.  You're acting like some autistic person, thinking in such a binary fashion that you can't even understand a statement.  "Yes and no" is a common phrase that denotes that the answer is not black or white, and I'm at a loss that you couldn't understand that?

    Also, how is the English language racist?  Lmao, you just pulled that out of nowhere....

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    If I started of my answer with 'yes and no' I wouldn't blame the other person for assuming that I partially thought that atheism was a religion. You claim:


    I would, especially when said person explains their answer in detail in the very same sentence.
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #69 - February 17, 2014, 11:04 PM
    Wow...you have something against autistic people...and...

    Quote from: EzraJT on February 17, 2014, 10:47 PM
    Yoda, are you having trouble with English?  I'm not even trying to make fun of you, but is it your second language?


    Questioning someone's ability to understand English in such a derogatory manner.

    Tut. Tut.

    You said 'yes and no' thus implying that you do think atheism could be regarded as a religion. You then when on to say why some stheists do regard it as a religion.

    Now calm down and move one.
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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #70 - February 17, 2014, 11:10 PM
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    Wow...you have something against autistic people...and...


    I don't, but they do have a harder time understanding others, and it can be frustrating talking to them.  If you're actually autistic, and I offended you, I apologize and I'll modify my statements as such to accommodate you (no, I'm not making fun of you).

    Quote
    Questioning someone's ability to understand English in such a derogatory manner.


    It's not derogatory, I was just trying to figure out why you have a hard time understanding a simple statement?  Maybe it's just because you zeroed in on something you didn't like and rolled with it...

    And that statement isn't racist, since I'm unaware of what "race" English is exclusive to?

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    You said 'yes and no' thus implying that you do think atheism could be regarded as a religion. You then when on to say why some stheists do regard it as a religion.


    Oy Vey, I didn't say that, I said some atheists say that, and gave examples!  Bro, are you just trolling me at this point or what? 

  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #71 - February 17, 2014, 11:13 PM
    If you were in a job or a school and you turned to the person next to you and you said what you said to a person of colour what do you think the reaction would be?

    I'm not autistic but why do you think that only an autistic person would've considered you 'yes and no' statement to be contradictory?
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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #72 - February 17, 2014, 11:18 PM
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    If you were in a job or a school and you turned to the person next to you and you said what you said to a person of colour what do you think the reaction would be?


    If I said that to a "person of color" (because there are no "colored people" who speak English as a first language, a racist and offensive term btw, not sure why you're using this after chastising me for alleged racism), they'd say yes or no.  I can ask what you call the "colored" people in my family and neighborhood if you want?

    And you're going way off topic with this Yoda, let's as you said move on and get back to the topic at hand?

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    I'm not autistic but why do you think that only an autistic person would've considered you 'yes and no' statement to be contradictory?


    I consider it very odd you can't understand a simple phrase is all, and I've went to school with autistic people and observed very similar confusions on their part.
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #73 - February 17, 2014, 11:24 PM
    You question whether I undertands the English language.

    You call me autistic.

    And all this in a condescending way.

    Shameful behaviour.

    And all because you can not understand that saying 'yes and no' means that you think that atheism is and isn't a religion in the context you put it in.

    Rather than say, 'i see where the misunderstanding stems from and go from there' you resort to personal attacks relating to my ability to understand English (assuming I'm a foreigner) and that I have additional educational needs.

    I am mildly dyslexic though. There's an open field for you.

    Shameful.

    Signed, Yoda.
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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #74 - February 17, 2014, 11:28 PM
    Quote from: EzraJT on February 17, 2014, 11:18 PM

    And you're going way off topic with this Yoda, l


    Well Every one is going off the boat off the topic EzraJT?  So how are you doing ET., ha! ET is a nice short nick for you EzraJT..

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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #75 - February 17, 2014, 11:32 PM
    Quote from: EzraJT on February 17, 2014, 10:36 PM
    Hey, Yoda, how can I break it to you?  I explicitly said atheism is not a religion, but some atheists treat it as such, hence why they're forming mega churches.  You need to read my post again.

    If it calls itself a religion, I'm going to call it a religion, ya dig?

    Hmm I didn't read that   that is an interesting point..

    " some atheists treat it as such, hence why they're forming mega churches"

    could you please name them and give links on their churches EzraJT?   It will be useful to have those links/names here..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #76 - February 17, 2014, 11:36 PM
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    You question whether I undertands the English language.


    I still do, since you do say:

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    I am mildly dyslexic though. There's an open field for you.


    There you go, the root of the confusion.  You could have just said so so I could have explained the statement more easily for you and we could have avoided all this fighting.  Be more patient and open in the future.

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    Rather than say, 'i see where the misunderstanding stems from and go from there' you resort to personal attacks relating to my ability to understand English (assuming I'm a foreigner) and that I have additional educational needs.


    I can't read your mind.  If you want others to factor in your disability, just say so.  I'm more than happy to accommodate you.  

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    Well Every one is going off the boat off the topic EzraJT?  So how are you doing ET., ha! ET is a nice short nick for you EzraJT..


    Well, ET is a fine nickname, but it's not very creative, and if you're trying to insult me with it, it wouldn't work, because that's actually kind of cool...Tongue  Thanks for the idea.  You're not going to get under my skin with a nickname.

    And yes it's off topic, so let's go back into the topic?

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    could you please name them and give links on their churches EzraJT?   It will be useful to have those links/names here..


    I did.  Read my posts.
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #77 - February 17, 2014, 11:43 PM
    Actually I don't have dyslexia.  Smiley Just wanted to know what BS you'd come up with to disparage dyslexic people. Apparently your inability to accept you contradicted yourself means that others have learning difficulties and is an excuse for you to 'get out of jail free'. You've exposed yourself for what you are.

    Despicable behaviour and attitude.

    Tut. Tut.

     

     
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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #78 - February 17, 2014, 11:46 PM
    Athiesm is a religion like atheism is a religion.
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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #79 - February 17, 2014, 11:48 PM
    Atheism is a religion like the Winter Olympics in Sochi is a Gay Pride Festival.
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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #80 - February 17, 2014, 11:50 PM
    Atheism is a religion like Batman is a Marvel character.
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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #81 - February 17, 2014, 11:50 PM
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    Actually I don't have dyslexia.  Smiley Just wanted to know what BS you'd come up with to disparage dyslexic people. Apparently your inability to accept you contradicted yourself means that others have learning difficulties and is an excuse for you to 'get out of jail free'. You've exposed yourself for what you are.


    Uh-huh, oh so horrible for me to take you at your word and offer to accommodate you based on that.  Since you're just an admitted troll (or just an idiot desperately trying not to look like one now) trying to take me for a ride, I'm just going to ignore your post from now on.  Ta-ta Tongue
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #82 - February 17, 2014, 11:51 PM
    Atheism is a religion like anorexia is a dietary supplement.
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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #83 - February 17, 2014, 11:52 PM
    Quote from: EzraJT on February 17, 2014, 11:36 PM
    .......................

    Well, ET is a fine nickname, but it's not very creative, and if you're trying to insult me with it, it wouldn't work, because that's actually kind of cool...Tongue  Thanks for the idea.  You're not going to get under my skin with a nickname.

    And yes it's off topic, so let's go back into the topic?

    I did.  Read my posts.


    "Read my posts .... You're not going to get under my skin... "O.K.,   Boy you are tough and a great guy to deal with..

    Quote from: EzraJT on February 17, 2014, 10:28 PM
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/15/atheism-contrary-to-mega-churches

    I'm happy about this though, since at least they're being honest.  I bet they'll have stain glass images of Dawkins Tongue

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_atheism

    so those two links you are referring on those mega-churches of Atheists?  I thought you are from Orange County.,    



    Do you know where she comes form ET? or you just picked up a link to bash Atheists and their mega Churches?
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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #84 - February 17, 2014, 11:53 PM
    Quote from: EzraJT on February 17, 2014, 11:50 PM
    Uh-huh, oh so horrible for me to take you at your word and offer to accommodate you based on that.  Since you're just an admitted troll (or just an idiot desperately trying not to look like one now) trying to take me for a ride, I'm just going to ignore your post from now on.  Ta-ta Tongue


    Oh you started now? I started like 10 minutes ago.

    Awww. Miss you.
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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #85 - February 17, 2014, 11:56 PM
    Atheism is a religion like Clint Eastwood is an up and coming actor.
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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #86 - February 17, 2014, 11:56 PM
    Calling atheism a religion is like calling an atheist convention a mega-church.
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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #87 - February 17, 2014, 11:59 PM
    Yo, Yatzi, Yazidi, whatever your name is supposed to be, you asked me for a source on the atheist mega churches being formed, and I gave you one, one that's actually critical of them from another atheist (I'm an atheist who doesn't like them either, but then again, I'm not religious).  Do you need some more:

    http://news.yahoo.com/atheist-mega-churches-root-across-us-world-214619648.html

    http://www.salon.com/2013/09/22/atheism_starts_its_megachurch_is_it_a_religion_now/

    I'm willing to hold your hand through this, but you'll have to actually read the links given to you, okay?
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #88 - February 18, 2014, 12:02 AM
    Calling atheism a religion is like calling dead people 'work shy'.

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    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #89 - February 18, 2014, 12:04 AM
    Atheism is a religion like astrology is an actual science.
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    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

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