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  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     OP - February 19, 2014, 11:41 PM
    I found this interesting article about a lesbian teen who came out of the closet to her muslim immigrant family.

    coming out to muslim family

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    I told them I understood it would be hard to accept and that I was available to talk. The email made a big, gay explosion in 28 inboxes, followed by a silence so loud it hurt. No one wrote back.

     


    Is it just me or is the reaction she got from her family pretty liberal as far as mainstream muslim communties go when it comes to homosexuality ?   

    In the article it mentions how the extended family eventually came around and her parents were supportive and did not abuse her at all.
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #1 - February 19, 2014, 11:47 PM
    Quote from: TheDarkRebel on February 19, 2014, 11:41 PM
    I found this interesting article about a lesbian teen who came out of the closet to her muslim immigrant family.

    ..................


    TheDarkRebel   TDR ...... you are talking about Sabrina Jalees 

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ_tnkzYqJI

    she is quite famous......
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #2 - February 20, 2014, 01:20 AM
    Quote from: TheDarkRebel on February 19, 2014, 11:41 PM
    I found this interesting article about a lesbian teen who came out of the closet to her muslim immigrant family.

    coming out to muslim family
     


    Is it just me or is the reaction she got from her family pretty liberal as far as mainstream muslim communties go when it comes to homosexuality ?   

    In the article it mentions how the extended family eventually came around and her parents were supportive and did not abuse her at all.


    That's a pretty low fucking bar.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #3 - February 20, 2014, 07:58 PM
    ^

    I know it's a low bar but I'm saying taking into account the context of extreme homophobia i've seen among my muslim friends, family and acquaintances they all would do nothing less than disown their children for something like this.   

    It is very rare for a muslim family to accept their gay child. 
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #4 - March 25, 2014, 04:22 PM
    What is life like for gay Muslim women?

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    In my film, I speak to two lesbian Muslim girls. They wear hijabs and attend mosque. Some of their gay friends even veil their faces, others wear western clothes. Their faith is an essential part of who they are, but so too is their sexuality.

    The women talk of a quiet revolution taking place in mosques across the country, with growing numbers of women leaving arranged marriages to pursue the lives they have secretly longed for. They say it is much harder for gay women than men in their communities, with patriarchy at the heart of the problem.

    Neither of the women believes there is a contradiction in being lesbian and Muslim, but they have both faced intense prejudice. One woman told me her family had become suspicious and one day subjected her to a violent attack after suggesting she get married.

    "There was no discussion, there was no talking, it was just this is the guy, that's it - you're getting married. They just grabbed a hockey stick, and went nuts," she told me. "I couldn't see an exit, and I'm thinking oh God, I'm going to have to endure this pain. I think I lost consciousness at one point."

    When her family were out, she escaped the house, leaving the area for three years.

    The other woman faced prejudice from the very people she thought she’d be accepted by: other lesbian women.

    "It wasn't only being a Muslim lesbian, it was being the brown face," she said. "For me it was difficult, because I think they weren't used to a woman like me wearing a hijab...and asserting her sexuality," she said.

    Which side are you on?
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #5 - March 25, 2014, 04:53 PM
    How do they reconcile the fact that they obviously accept the hadith with being veiled and covering their faces, but at the same time rejecting (obviously) all hadith about homosexuality being a sin. I mean, there's even an explicit hadith which states that any woman who embraces another woman like she does with a man is a sinner. Do they have gay marriage? Or pre marital relations with other Muslim lesbians? I just don't get it.
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #6 - March 25, 2014, 04:58 PM
    So long as it's two vaginas and neither of them are butch, I think it's islamically fine. Two penises are a no no whether or not either of the men are effeminate. Gay men, manly women and girly boys, that's who Mo didn't like. Well, I say that's who, they're on a list of people he didn't like.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #7 - March 25, 2014, 05:30 PM
    But how do they deal with the hadith "whoever embraces a woman like she would embrace a man" is sinning and that it is forbidden? As I said, I just don't get it. Perhaps it has to do with me waking up from my little delusion and seeing things for what they are, but I can't respect people who toss and turn and cherry pick just so that they don't have to face the "harsh reality".
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #8 - March 25, 2014, 05:36 PM
    Ohh I haven't come across that hadith. Well, here's an idea.

    "I'm a lesbian, I don't embrace a woman as I would embrace a man, I embrace her like I would embrace a woman!"

    Obvious loophole. Wink
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #9 - March 25, 2014, 06:02 PM
    Don't forget that it can be interpreted differently by different people  Wink can find a difference of opinion there if you look hard enough
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #10 - March 25, 2014, 06:03 PM
    Well I think my loophole counts.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #11 - March 25, 2014, 06:04 PM
    Indeed it does
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #12 - March 25, 2014, 06:05 PM
    Quod is the most wise and the best of planners.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #13 - March 25, 2014, 06:06 PM
     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #14 - March 25, 2014, 06:07 PM
    Will the muslims see these signs and still not believe?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #15 - March 25, 2014, 06:10 PM
    It just occurred to me how fucking awesome all of you on this forum are, but at the same time what a hellhole it would be for a Muslim to come in here and see and read everything that goes on here. I mean, no wonder they hate kuffar and murtadden like they do  Cheesy
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #16 - March 25, 2014, 06:12 PM
    lol cornflower I was actually just thinking how my mums eyes would pop out of her sockets if she read this!!
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #17 - March 25, 2014, 06:14 PM
    I've seen warning to stay away and ones bragging that they could handle it saying they read a few things and their iman/deen whatever melts away.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #18 - March 25, 2014, 06:15 PM
    Yes, yes. We are mischievous and insidious iman-destroyers and good Muslims must stay away from us. We are shayateen in human bodies.
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #19 - March 25, 2014, 06:18 PM
    We give the best orgasms.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #20 - March 26, 2014, 02:54 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on March 25, 2014, 04:58 PM
    So long as it's two vaginas and neither of them are butch, I think it's islamically fine. Two penises are a no no whether or not either of the men are effeminate. Gay men, manly women and girly boys, that's who Mo didn't like. Well, I say that's who, they're on a list of people he didn't like.

    So Mo liked lipstick lesbians? The more you know, the more it seems like Islamic sexual morality was carved out based entirely on Mo's boner feels. 

    I don't think the Quran explicitly mentions lesbians. It's sodomy (which is tied with male homosexuality) that really pisses Allah/Mo off -- even married hetero buttsex is haram -- so while gay dudes are fucked, the lesbian Muslims actually have a good loophole, especially if that "embracing women like men" hadith can be dismissed. Liberal Muslims usually dismiss hadiths willy nilly anyway, all the while holding on to nice-sounding ones. 
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #21 - March 26, 2014, 03:09 AM
    ^

    The problem with rejecting hadith is this.  If you reject a sahih hadith then you have to reject all hadiths.  If even one of the supposedly most authentic hadiths is a "mistake" what makes them so sure the rest of the hadiths are not fabrications or mistakes as well.


    They have to go the "quran only" muslim route.  But if they do go that route then islam is meaningless because the quran cannot be understood at all without cross referencing it with hadiths and tafsirs. 
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #22 - March 26, 2014, 03:20 AM
    ^ Precisely.
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #23 - March 26, 2014, 05:20 AM
    I was kicked out of a Somali gay (lesbian) forum for pointing out how psychologically damaging it was for certain people to post poetry about how bad they felt after kiss/sleeping with another girl and begging allah for forgiveness eventhough she knew she would do it again  Huh?  smdh anyways, its like their mind was in a loop, twilight zone type shyt. They couldnt see how wrong it was.  They still defended islam and called their relationships sin but still came on everyday and pursued one another smdh.

    The admin did try to help my point a bit but he was also cherry picking.   Thankfully, karma got the best of that forum and I hear it was taken down by Somali Islamist hacking lol  grin12
    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #24 - March 26, 2014, 05:22 AM
    by damaging I meant for younger somali gays to stumble upon a so called supportive forum and only find mentally unstable older gays that provided no support.   Which was the boat I was in, shyt just made me depressed.   I didnt want to end up like them praying after every date or hanky panky
    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #25 - March 26, 2014, 12:53 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on March 25, 2014, 06:18 PM
    We give the best orgasms.


    Do you have experience from getting penetrated by muslim male? If not, where do you base your claim Cheesy
    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #26 - March 26, 2014, 02:26 PM
    ^ Oh, sweet Siunaa, that's not the only way to do it.  Cheesy
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #27 - March 26, 2014, 04:58 PM
    Quote from: Siunaa Maailmaa on March 26, 2014, 12:53 PM
    Do you have experience from getting penetrated by muslim male? If not, where do you base your claim Cheesy

    Shaytans are all about sin right? We exist to make you feel good Wink
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Lesbian Teen Muslim Family
     Reply #28 - March 26, 2014, 04:58 PM
    Quote from: Xiis on March 26, 2014, 05:20 AM
    I was kicked out of a Somali gay (lesbian) forum for pointing out how psychologically damaging it was for certain people to post poetry about how bad they felt after kiss/sleeping with another girl and begging allah for forgiveness eventhough she knew she would do it again  Huh?  smdh anyways, its like their mind was in a loop, twilight zone type shyt. They couldnt see how wrong it was.  They still defended islam and called their relationships sin but still came on everyday and pursued one another smdh.

    The admin did try to help my point a bit but he was also cherry picking.   Thankfully, karma got the best of that forum and I hear it was taken down by Somali Islamist hacking lol  grin12

    That is absolutely heart breaking.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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