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  • Question: Why?
  • Indoctrination - 12 (35.3%)
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  • It isn't, we don't know the apostasy rate so we shouldnt assume - 20 (58.8%)
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 Topic: Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.

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  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #60 - February 24, 2014, 02:08 AM

    I said I don't understand how they can have such a fear, not that I don't understand if it's happening or not.  So fail on your attempt to find an inconsistency with my statement.

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but you pointed out here that "Europeans" are afraid of Eurabia. And as I said, that you can stand by whatever point you want, but you are assuming a lot of things without really knowing the political climate in most of these Europeans countries or even the reasons why these types of parties are elected in the first place. If you are not aware of the contexts or "background story" as you may call it, you can't really make a fair assessment. But whatever Smiley


    Yeah, they just elect them because they disagree with their platforms, Wink

    Anyway, I've also provided material on the phenomenon that attests to its existence, so I've proven my point.  Offer an adequate rebuttal if you want.  European countries, for obvious reasons, tend to have more bigoted and xenophobic populations than North America.
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #61 - February 24, 2014, 02:09 AM

    Cornflower-

    I understand what you are saying, and that is why I said that I could see many valid systems springing from those two sources. To suggest that just one would be correct is impossible, because the opinion of what is and is not prescribed by Islam is one that no one will ever agree on. Therefore, what I would consider correct would be one where the center of all decisions and laws are such that they can be derived directly from the Quran or hadith, or both-whatever that society is into at the time, instead of one that consults kings and bends to royal families, or one that considers one of its prime goals the resistance of Westernization. Of course, the practice of this, as you alluded to, would be difficult to maintain, which is one of the reasons why, even as a Muslim, I could not see it working without great regulation.

    However, just because we cannot precisely define what something is does not mean that we therefore can't say what it is not. I would be interested, definitely, if someone could point me in the direction of something I missed that would make my following statements in error, but nothing that I can recall in any reputable classical source from which we derive our understanding of Islam made it allowable for the ultimate arbiter of the law to be a king, whose qualifications were being a successor in a royal family and nothing more. Furthermore, while it is true that this would probably be what would wind up happening from time to time in some of the systems I would (personally-I should have added personally the first time for the "correct" aspect of this) consider valid since it is hard to prevent the twisting of religious material to suit one's agenda, many of the things that are actively forbidden in KSA (take a woman driving a car, for example), many of the people who are charged with crimes, and many of the people who are punished are ones who would be easily condemned by nothing in the Quran/hadiths. Not to mention that the punishments, though sometimes preferable in KSA than the ones that the Quran asks for, have been so drastically altered that some people are just being forgotten in jail indefinitely for innocuous offenses.
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #62 - February 24, 2014, 02:26 AM

    I said I don't understand how they can have such a fear, not that I don't understand if it's happening or not.  So fail on your attempt to find an inconsistency with my statement.

    Yeah, they just elect them because they disagree with their platforms, Wink

    Anyway, I've also provided material on the phenomenon that attests to its existence, so I've proven my point.  Offer an adequate rebuttal if you want.  European countries, for obvious reasons, tend to have more bigoted and xenophobic populations than North America.


    I did not point out any "inconsistency", I just pointed out that you claim that these parties belief in Eurabia is somewhat a mainstream or even accepted belief in "Europe". That is false. And I did not say that they elect them, but then disagree with their platform, so don't try putting words in my mouth sarcastically. I truly do not believe that you are so utterly stupid to think that the "Eurabia" part of their political agenda is their main argument, or even one that is mentioned in political debates. Most of these parties use the immigration problem (connected with segregation and economic problems, NOT some ideological "Eurabia" conspiracy) and the growing Islamism (which is not automatically connected to the conspiracy theory of Eurabia) to gain voters. What is mentioned in political debates, and the reason why more and more people are voting for parties critical against Islam, is because of growing Islamism and immigation problems. When I said that they are the only parties taking these questions seriously enough, I didn't say I agreed with them or their methods. Just that other mainstream parties have failed immensely to tackle issues dealing with segregation and unrealistic immigration policy. Something that the US does not have a problem with in the same way as Europe has, one reason because immigration to the US is highly regulated and strict. And I do not believe you have the insolence to claim that Europe has a bigger problem with bigotry and xenophobia in general, I won't even argue about this, it's just so silly given the past and current American history Roll Eyes

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #63 - February 24, 2014, 02:37 AM

    @ lua
    I really don't understand your point, and please help me to understand because perhaps my English proficiency won't allow me to fully understand you, but I argued that no one codified law has ever been accepted in the History of Islamic civilization. The fact that the KSA doesn't have a codified law does not go against "shariah".

    Furthermore, not all laws are directly derived from the Quran and sunnah, the different school of laws use a number of different ways to derive laws concerning issues that are not directly handled in these two sources (and sorry that I cannot recall the terminology, but I left my books with my ex and I really don't want to keep up with my usool studies now that I'm a murtad Roll Eyes ). I think that ijtihad is also the perfect example to show that Islamic shariah laws do not need to have a specific text from the religious sources to be viewed as Islamic. According to classical Islamic jurisprudence, once you refer a matter to a Islamic judge, the ruling is binding upon you. No "fatwa shopping" in other words, and no need for one codified laws binding upon an entire nation.  People could actually argue against one codified law (regardless of what I personally think) using specifically the story of Imam Malik, as well as the fact that this has not been practiced during Islamic history.

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #64 - February 24, 2014, 02:53 AM

    Cornflower- Aha, I see, I accept what you are saying about the absence of codified laws not being a part of whether or not it is sharia. I suppose "no codified laws" is the umbrella under which I placed all of the issues I discussed afterward in my mind. To me, it all boils down to that! But you're right.

    I, too, stopped studying long ago, so I couldn't get crazy with you about the schools of thought and the loopholes that they all provide, either. But, and perhaps this is my ignorance, to me I never considered that sharia law could be one that allowed judgement to go to a king (edited for wording, yikes), which KSA does do, or allow him to override a judge's decision, which KSA also does. Even the example you mentioned, where the ruling is binding after you select a judge, would not check out here, since King Abdullah can sweep in and change the ruling as he pleases.

    Also, and this is what I've long been operating under, but, again, if there is some crazy loophole that makes this invalid, I'd love to know it: I've also believed that something cannot be sharia law but also in contradiction with the Quran, which, between condemning those ordered to be left alone, or by changing and altering (and sometimes making worse) explicitly stated prescribed punishments for explicitly stated crimes in the Quran, KSA has done like a champion.

    I'm starting to understand what you mean, though, Cornflower. The more I talk about this, the more I'm getting that the interpretations of Sharia would not only be numerable but infinite enough that even these qualities of KSA that I thought disqualified them from being real sharia law might be somehow reasonably claimed by someone with a cunning argument. I guess therein lies the problem, huh?
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #65 - February 24, 2014, 02:54 AM

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    I did not point out any "inconsistency", I just pointed out that you claim that these parties belief in Eurabia is somewhat a mainstream or even accepted belief in "Europe".


    Saying massively elected parties don't represent whatsoever people's acceptance of their ideas and platforms is like saying Greeks aren't more accepting of the radical left now that SYRIZA is the second largest party.  Come on, who do you think you're fooling?

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    I truly do not believe that you are so utterly stupid to think that the "Eurabia" part of their political agenda is their main argument, or even one that is mentioned in political debates. Most of these parties use the immigration problem (connected with segregation and economic problems, NOT some ideological "Eurabia" conspiracy) and the growing Islamism (which is not automatically connected to the conspiracy theory of Eurabia) to gain voters. What is mentioned in political debates, and the reason why more and more people are voting for parties critical against Islam, is because of growing Islamism and immigation problems. When I said that they are the only parties taking these questions seriously enough, I didn't say I agreed with them or their methods. Just that other mainstream parties have failed immensely to tackle issues dealing with segregation and unrealistic immigration policy.


    Thanks for your vote of confidence, but I don't need it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_Freedom

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_People%27s_Party

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_National_%28France%29

    Etc.

    Do explain these (and yes, as the articles even point out, they're refocusing on being against Eastern Europeans since people give less and less of a shit about Muslim immigration since integration is already occurring, especially in France).

    Even people who make their whole lives "exposing" Islam like Maryam Namazie would agree with me, ironically enough.

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    Something that the US does not have a problem with in the same way as Europe has, one reason because immigration to the US is highly regulated and strict. And I do not believe you have the insolence to claim that Europe has a bigger problem with bigotry and xenophobia in general, I won't even argue about this, it's just so silly given the past and current American history Roll Eyes


    Not really, the US has a far more open immigration policy than most (if not all) European countries, and if you're really going to argue that Europeans are not more homogenous and more xenophobic, then I don't know what to say. Tongue  Indeed, the rise of these parties are really just the rise of conservative defenders of exclusive welfare states.  They're just the next wave of "National Socialist" and some are honest enough to actually waive the Swastika Tongue

    You're not seeing the rise of neo-nazi style parties here for some obvious reasons, I guess except for Colorado.
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #66 - February 24, 2014, 07:31 AM

    Well one sharia clause is that no country fully adopts sharia whilst there is still a distribution of pornography. Since muslims tend to be the highest consumers of porn (per capita) we can say that there is no "ideal sharia state.
    However, I wish that this ideal state is never created.


    Some proof would be nice

    I don't know what it is but some of the members here are starting to look a lot like Wilders/Geller/Spencer types. Maybe they think replacing 'paki' with 'Muslim' and having the label 'ex-Muslim' above their usernames makes them less bigotted or racist.
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #67 - February 24, 2014, 07:41 AM

    I'm not sure I'd agree with that. While I acknowledge that some comments could be perceived this way, my time here has shown the complete opposite. The majority of members here have muslims as the closest people in their lives. Their family, friends, loved ones are muslims. Though there are some specific people mocked, no one is mocked simply for being a muslim. It's individuals (Zakir Naik, Dawahman, Hamza Tortoise) who are mocked for their views, not their faith. Sometimes the lines can be blurred but I think there's a pretty good line drawn.

    There's also the simple fact that it's such a relief to be able to have a rant or just get something out of your system. A lot of people here unfortunately have to pretend and this is one of the few places they can vent.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #68 - February 24, 2014, 07:48 AM

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    I don't know what it is but some of the members here are starting to look a lot like Wilders/Geller/Spencer types. Maybe they think replacing 'paki' with 'Muslim' and having the label 'ex-Muslim' above their usernames makes them less bigotted or racist.


    Only some seem like bigots here, from my observations.  But some do seem like what you describe here.
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #69 - February 24, 2014, 09:05 AM

    Some proof would be nice

    I don't know what it is but some of the members here are starting to look a lot like Wilders/Geller/Spencer types. Maybe they think replacing 'paki' with 'Muslim' and having the label 'ex-Muslim' above their usernames makes them less bigotted or racist.


    How is it racist if you believe Islam is a horrible religion. Muslims are not horrible people, atleast no more than anyone else, but some of them have beliefs detrimental to the principles of freedom of speech, and separation of religion and state. I criticize those who hold such beliefs (such as having blasphemy laws). And secondly, why would 'paki' be synonymous with Muslim; being from a particular region on Earth is not an ideology.
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #70 - February 24, 2014, 09:25 AM

    Cornflower- Aha, I see, I accept what you are saying about the absence of codified laws not being a part of whether or not it is sharia. I suppose "no codified laws" is the umbrella under which I placed all of the issues I discussed afterward in my mind. To me, it all boils down to that! But you're right.

    I, too, stopped studying long ago, so I couldn't get crazy with you about the schools of thought and the loopholes that they all provide, either. But, and perhaps this is my ignorance, to me I never considered that sharia law could be one that allowed judgement to go to a king (edited for wording, yikes), which KSA does do, or allow him to override a judge's decision, which KSA also does. Even the example you mentioned, where the ruling is binding after you select a judge, would not check out here, since King Abdullah can sweep in and change the ruling as he pleases.

    Also, and this is what I've long been operating under, but, again, if there is some crazy loophole that makes this invalid, I'd love to know it: I've also believed that something cannot be sharia law but also in contradiction with the Quran, which, between condemning those ordered to be left alone, or by changing and altering (and sometimes making worse) explicitly stated prescribed punishments for explicitly stated crimes in the Quran, KSA has done like a champion.

    I'm starting to understand what you mean, though, Cornflower. The more I talk about this, the more I'm getting that the interpretations of Sharia would not only be numerable but infinite enough that even these qualities of KSA that I thought disqualified them from being real sharia law might be somehow reasonably claimed by someone with a cunning argument. I guess therein lies the problem, huh?


    Well, the khalifah or "ruler" can override a matter, because this is something that a ruler in an "Islamic state" has the right to do (veto). If you look at the "golden early age of Islam, during the first four khulafa, you will see that the khalifah used his shura to come to some sort of conclusion in all matters,  but in the end the ruler could come in and say that whatever the shura had agreed upon, not only could he take the minority stance, but even introduce a third opinion only he shared. So this doesn't necessarily have to be "anti-shariah".

    Also, just because a law is not directly derived from the Quran or sunnah, it doesn't need to contradict them. Even certain laws that are seemingly contradicting a specific ruling, it can still have a support in the mishmash of methodology depending on how the scholars have arrived at what is the 'illah and what is the rukn and so forth.

    You also have the maqasid and the qawaid that are derived from Islamic sources and provide the jurists with principles to derive laws from. These can be used to derive laws and norms even though there is no specific text that could be used to say "look, here it says so and so". You have the maqsad or the qaidah, and then the scholar must use reason and whatever methodology he  views fit depending on his school of thought, and in the end you end up with a lot of customs, traditions and rulings you see in KSA. And I just have to mention, even though it may be a bit out of context(?), the "general and universal principles"-argument that modernist and progressives often use, is not applicable. A maqsad and qaidah can never override a specific text, so they are secondary and subordinate to all other texts despite the progressives attempt to turn it around (intellectual dishonesty, folks)

    I can give you an example, perhaps it isn't the best one, but I will just put it out there because this just illustrates how Islam is a major cause for honor culture to still be very much alive in Muslim societies. There are narrations from Mo how he from time to time "explained" himself to his companions in order for them not to think badly of him. I don't remember the narrations exactly, and I'm too lazy to go on google and search for them, but you may have heard how Mo for example was in the company of a woman and some of his companions saw them and Mo turned around and "explained" (even though no one asked) that they were mahram. So scholars have used these types of narrations to derive a principle that says basically that as a Muslim, we should and must care what others think of us to the extent that we are morally prohibited from doing or saying anything that would cause suspicion among other Muslims that I'm doing something wrong even though I am not in reality. This despite another narration that explicitly states that as Muslim, we should not have suspicion towards each other. They are not contradicting each other, the two principles should just be combined and practiced "together". So if a judge makes an assessment or rules in a case where he uses this principle of not causing suspicion, he is not going against the "shariah", he is just applying something that is part of Islamic code of conduct and morality.

    This was actually one of the first thing we as students had to learn when taking class in aadaab, as good du'aat we were absolutely not allowed to cause suspicion among the laymen Roll Eyes

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #71 - February 24, 2014, 01:36 PM

    Only some seem like bigots here, from my observations.  But some do seem like what you describe here.


    Name names or shut up.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #72 - February 24, 2014, 05:18 PM

    I think the racist card is overplayed far to often. It is an easy argument to put forward which puts the accused on the defensive rather than the accuser having to prove the accusation. People are also ignoring the politics behind many of the parties along with some of the support of voters. For example I voted for the conservative party last election here. A few reasons are the failures of the liberal party's last two PMs. The lack of a backbone in the face of America. Lower taxes for students. My support of a few policies is not wide sweeping support for all the Tories' policies. The stance on Israeli I do not share. The new Pacific Rim treaty I do not support. At times people are forced to pick the lesser of evils, political parties, in order to stand against another party's policies which a voter disagrees with more, greater evil. Now I am not going to pretend I know every political party in every nations nor the various policies each supports. However I think pointing out that not all supporters of a party agree 100% with everything a party does is fair. Many people could be supporting "radical" parties due to a number of policies.

    Using political parties to generalized a voter base in ridiculous, it is the same angle used by groups which are anti-Islam, anti-Muslim, anti-Chinese, etc. Kettle meet Pot.
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #73 - February 24, 2014, 06:19 PM

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    For example I voted for the conservative party last election here. A few reasons are the failures of the liberal party's last two PMs. The lack of a backbone in the face of America.


    If this is referring to the British Conservative Party, then they're just as much ass lickers of the United States, as all people in power in the UK are.  The UK is just a wing of the United States, just like Canada and Australia and so forth.  The British Empire is long gone.

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    Name names or shut up.


    Lol, probably you judging from this response, and at least one other person here.

  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #74 - February 24, 2014, 06:44 PM

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    Lol, probably you judging from this response, and at least one other person here


    You don't get to call Moderators of this place racist just because they call you out on shit that you say smearing this forum. That's trolling and this forum doesn't exist for that. Get it?


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #75 - February 24, 2014, 06:48 PM

    Careful billy. He's an edgy against-the-grain type.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #76 - February 24, 2014, 06:59 PM

    Sorry that I've missed the past few days of this thread. Anyone want to give me the tl;dr version, and why that poster is tarnishing us with the same brush?

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #77 - February 24, 2014, 07:03 PM

    Because it's an easy and lazy way to push people's buttons, stir shit and get the negative attention he craves?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #78 - February 24, 2014, 07:24 PM

    EzraJT, you have been trolling all over this forum lately, trying to instigate fights in many threads in which you've posted.

    For your persistent trolling, you have earned a Smite.

    Take this opportunity to read through the Rules of this forum and the Registration agreement every member has to accept before joining. Watch what you do from here on, as further trolling will lead to you getting restricted and/or banned from the forum.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #79 - February 24, 2014, 07:55 PM

    Some proof would be nice

    I don't know what it is but some of the members here are starting to look a lot like Wilders/Geller/Spencer types. Maybe they think replacing 'paki' with 'Muslim' and having the label 'ex-Muslim' above their usernames makes them less bigotted or racist.


    lol what

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  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #80 - February 24, 2014, 08:03 PM

    It's just awesome when you are called racist for criticizing a religion. Like one single race is the only one part of that religion.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #81 - February 24, 2014, 09:02 PM

    I don't mind being banned, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.  I'm certainly not going to bite my tongue for bigoted assholes like you.
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #82 - February 24, 2014, 09:06 PM

    It's just awesome when you are called racist for criticizing a religion. Like one single race is the only one part of that religion.


    Before women had the vote, their views were relegated to the private/domestic sphere, which was seen as outside of politics. Criticising a religion, or indeed a white person saying something negative about a non–white, is automatically deemed racist. The end result is that the person criticising is depoliticised as thoroughly as women of old.
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #83 - February 24, 2014, 09:10 PM

    Yeah that's a fair comparison between calling out blanket bigotry and ignorance and women being oppressed and silenced.
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #84 - February 24, 2014, 09:20 PM

    Cornflower-

    I understand about the caliphate, and, while in the Quran it does allow there to be one central arbiter that an individual could petition if unsatisfied with the court's decisions (I'm thinking 4:59 for that one), unfortunately, God was a bit sparse on the details of what made a leader qualified to be this ultimate judge, but the Quran does talk an awful lot about how the law has to abide by Quranic law, how great/complete the guidance of the Quran is, and how law must not bend to private interests, and that the believer is not to abide by laws that differ from the ones prescribed by it (things like 18:28, 18:26 2:108, the middle of 12:40). However, I do know that a big potential loophole is something like 28:6, which sort of makes it seem like any ruler that ever existed can claim divine appointment (but then that would face a point of logical strain when there are spectacularly poor Islamic leaders, I'd imagine?). And Mohammed's big farewell didn't help much, either, since apparently everyone at the time just heard what they wanted to hear. Also, there was the beginning of surat al tahrim where Mohammed allegedly regretted caving to pressure from his wives, where God actually corrects him for forbidding that was not made forbidden, which I'd imagine would place limits on the power of the ruler if even Mohammed was reprimanded.

    I am also aware of most everything else you mentioned, and I think the problem that remains between us is purely one of subjective definition, like you initially suggested—I apologize for not seeing sooner how the complications of this whole ordeal could not make it boil down to that. When I first started discussing this with you, I really had it all lined up in my head—and still do—but every time I begin to start writing about it, I find myself playing the Quranist again like old times, and that's kind of a bummer.

    I do still have a really hard time, and perhaps this is just residual, understanding how the term sharia law can be correctly applied to most anything that a Muslim community wanted to slap that label onto in the name of Islam, which I guess is what it almost comes down to. It makes it hard, too, to look at KSA, where the law is influenced by secular agendas and affairs, where there judges are basically puppets, where the law is actually often just self-professed anti-Westernization or the silencing of liberal voices/the persecution of lawyers who represent people whose case is embarrassing to the regime (worst example was back with the lawyer who was representing the woman who was sentenced to lashes after being raped), and the strict control or ban of Christian/Jewish practices, which is to be protected under the Quran. While I know that a law not being in the Quran does not mean it is a contradiction, one that persecutes people who are explicitly allowed to exist in the community normally seems to be, or a system with rulings sometimes based in secular affairs does, too.

    Tl;dr: Even though I have a hard time seeing how some of KSA's dealings can be reconciled with Islam, I definitely think I understand your point now. It was easier to disagree back when I believed in all of this nonsense, but now that I can take a step back and see it not as a divine system but as a giant, rabid mess, I have to totally agree with what I think is the main point of your argument, and I accept that even trying to identify a correct or incorrect sharia is worthless and a distraction.
  • Re: Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #85 - February 24, 2014, 09:24 PM

    I don't mind being banned, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.  I'm certainly not going to bite my tongue for bigoted assholes like you.

    Who are you even talking about? You're flailing wildly.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #86 - February 24, 2014, 09:31 PM

    Yeah that's a fair comparison between calling out blanket bigotry and ignorance and women being oppressed and silenced.

    I’m referring to the method of oppression.
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #87 - February 24, 2014, 09:36 PM

    Yeah that's a fair comparison between calling out blanket bigotry and ignorance and women being oppressed and silenced.

    I think the comparison was between the silencing tactics of those who cry racism when Islam is criticised and those who traditionally stifled the voice of women, and the chilling effect both of these things have on discussion and on the accused. An apt comparison with much symmetry.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #88 - February 24, 2014, 09:44 PM

    Yeah that's a fair comparison between calling out blanket bigotry and ignorance and women being oppressed and silenced.


    Nothing like calling humanists and ex-religious folk ignorant and bigots. Good job there and keep it up.

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  • Why is Islam the fastest growing religion.
     Reply #89 - February 24, 2014, 10:36 PM

    I don't mind being banned, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.  I'm certainly not going to bite my tongue for bigoted assholes like you.


    Awesome. Good to know Afro

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
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