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  • Positive thinking.
     OP - February 27, 2014, 09:23 PM

    OK, I am sick of hearing that positive thinking results in good things happening to a person. Positive thinking has almost always resulted in negative things happening to me. And whenever I think negatively like expect nothing good, either nothing happens or the good things happen. All those self-help books and websites that touts the miraculous things happening to those who think positively makes me think that I am an alien, who was accidentally born with the looks of a human! Where am I going wrong?
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #1 - February 27, 2014, 09:48 PM

    OK, I am sick

    .......... Positive thinking has almost always resulted in negative things happening to me. And whenever I think negatively like expect nothing good, either nothing happens or the good things happen.......

    Examples of  "Positive thinking resulting  in negative things happening to you and Negative thinking resulting  in _+ve things happening to you" will help to solve your puzzle  Rubaya.

    May be,  what you think is +ve is not +ve  and what you think is -ve is not -ve..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #2 - February 27, 2014, 09:50 PM

    Getting prize for highest attendance in school is not positive Huh??
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #3 - February 27, 2014, 10:01 PM

    Getting prize for highest attendance in school is not positive Huh??

    Nope.,  it is the responsibility of student to attend school., what all you are saying is  you are better than others in attending school. Off course if they give prize for that., you should take it. What is so +ve about that?  Now if you top your school and your college in your state/country.. that means  something ..

    In a way , it is a +ve thing that you are not skipping classes and watching movies ..lol..   but question is,   what negative things happened to you for  that highest attendance in school??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #4 - February 27, 2014, 10:05 PM

    OK, I am sick of hearing that positive thinking results in good things happening to a person. Positive thinking has almost always resulted in negative things happening to me. And whenever I think negatively like expect nothing good, either nothing happens or the good things happen. All those self-help books and websites that touts the miraculous things happening to those who think positively makes me think that I am an alien, who was accidentally born with the looks of a human! Where am I going wrong?

    I feel like you are refrerring to the law of attraction, aren't you?
    It is not that if you think positive, your life will become wonderful. Thoughts do have an impact but taking actions is necessary too. Just thinking won't change your life. And no, you are not alien.
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #5 - February 27, 2014, 10:13 PM

    I always used to get that prize. There was one particular year I was expecting it and I didn't get any. Another year I wasn't expecting one but I got it. These are just two examples. Another thing is that I was cheated by 98% of my bfs, from whom I wasn't expecting anything wrong. And those I dumped thinking they weren't good enough for me actually turned out good matches for me. Maybe I am cursed.

    @INception- I raised this topic here because I was reading this self-help book by an expert that said the same thing. He didn't mention anything about the Law of Attraction. I thought it was more of a Wiccan stuff. I have seen some people that I know who are staunch supporters of positive thinking. They have been grilled about it as a part of training for their job. At first I dismissed this belief as a phoney thing. But now I see many people out there believe it. It's common to hear things like, "Always be confident," sort of things.
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #6 - February 27, 2014, 10:13 PM

    I feel like ....

    Question to you two guys...

    What actually is Positive thinking? Well may be we should go down a bit..  What is thinking??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #7 - February 27, 2014, 10:16 PM

    According to Oxford dictionary thinking means- a) the process of considering or reasoning about something
                                                                                                                 or
                                                                           b) a person’s ideas or opinions
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #8 - February 27, 2014, 10:27 PM

    I always used to get that prize. There was one particular year I was expecting it and I didn't get any. Another year I wasn't expecting one but I got it. These are just two examples. Another thing is that I was cheated by 98% of my bfs, from whom I wasn't expecting anything wrong. And those I dumped thinking they weren't good enough for me actually turned out good matches for me. Maybe I am cursed.

    @INception- I raised this topic here because I was reading this self-help book by an expert that said the same thing. He didn't mention anything about the Law of Attraction. I thought it was more of a Wiccan stuff. I have seen some people that I know who are staunch supporters of positive thinking. They have been grilled about it as a part of training for their job. At first I dismissed this belief as a phoney thing. But now I see many people out there believe it. It's common to hear things like, "Always be confident," sort of things.

    I was saying that you shouldn't  believe in that stuff(law of attraction). I just read about it and couldn't stop laughing.  Being confident and optimistic is an important aspect though, but expecting good things without working for them is just stupidity :p
    I didn't read that book.

    @Mr  Yeezevee    
    Thinking is necessary. Thoughts shape our lives, create our personality. Thoughts are ideas and these are powerful.
    I think, therefore I am. If you erase my thoughts, you erase my indivuality. The difference between me and you, is the way I think. Cheesy

    I've been pessimistic for a long time and of course negative thoughts those not help you. They just make problems bigger and bigger, than they really are. They discourage you from acting and making changes. So I prefer being positive and of course work...



  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #9 - February 27, 2014, 10:34 PM

    Got your point INception. Thank you.
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #10 - February 27, 2014, 10:52 PM

    OK, I am sick of hearing that positive thinking results in good things happening to a person. Positive thinking has almost always resulted in negative things happening to me. And whenever I think negatively like expect nothing good, either nothing happens or the good things happen. All those self-help books and websites that touts the miraculous things happening to those who think positively makes me think that I am an alien, who was accidentally born with the looks of a human! Where am I going wrong?


    I'll tell you right now that you are most certainly not alone in this way of thinking. Could you expand on underlined a bit?
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #11 - February 28, 2014, 02:56 AM

    The idea of thinking positive is that it affects your personality, the way you speak, the way you hold and carry yourself. I remember years back watching a documentary on black people who basically hated their skin and wanted to be white. One woman hated her nose, wanted a more European one. She thought people didn't like her because she was black. So she went and got a nose job. Soon after that she left the house smiling and happy with a spring in her step, and you know that? It had an effect. People were more positive, more friendly, more engaging, but was clearly nothing to do with her nose. Who the fuck spends their time looking at peoples' noses anyway? She just presented herself differently. She went from being self conscious and awkward to wearing a short skirt, smiling, and watching this I'm listening to her talk and thinking "Love, you're just as black as you were yesterday. Only thing that changed is your outlook and people are picking up on it."

    We're a social species. We communicate through facial expression and body language more than we do with words.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #12 - February 28, 2014, 07:28 AM

    I'll tell you right now that you are most certainly not alone in this way of thinking. Could you expand on underlined a bit?


    I always used to get that prize. There was one particular year I was expecting it and I didn't get any. Another year I wasn't expecting one but I got it. These are just two examples. Another thing is that I was cheated by 98% of my bfs, from whom I wasn't expecting anything wrong. And those I dumped thinking they weren't good enough for me actually turned out good matches for me. Maybe I am cursed.

    Who the fuck spends their time looking at peoples' noses anyway?

    My female relatives observe every detail of my body. It's a common thing in my country. They love to gossip about these things, especially in respect to how suitable a person is for marriage. They don't even spare the young kids, contemplating whether or not they will have a good spouse in the future!
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #13 - February 28, 2014, 07:32 AM

    That's fucked up.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #14 - February 28, 2014, 12:21 PM

    I always used to get that prize. There was one particular year I was expecting it and I didn't get any. Another year I wasn't expecting one but I got it. These are just two examples. Another thing is that I was cheated by 98% of my bfs, from whom I wasn't expecting anything wrong. And those I dumped thinking they weren't good enough for me actually turned out good matches for me. Maybe I am cursed.

    Who the fuck spends their time looking at peoples' noses anyway?

    My female relatives observe every detail of my body. It's a common thing in my country. They love to gossip about these things, especially in respect to how suitable a person is for marriage. They don't even spare the young kids, contemplating whether or not they will have a good spouse in the future!

    The same happen when I go back to my country. People are so judgemental here. I feel so bad for their stupid way of thinking. Meh..

    Anyway, you might be interested in the law of Murphy Cheesy http://quotations.about.com/od/murphyslaws/tp/10_murphys_laws.htm

    Quote
    If anything simply cannot go wrong, it will anyway.

  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #15 - February 28, 2014, 01:47 PM

    The idea of thinking positive is that it affects your personality, the way you speak, the way you hold and carry yourself. I remember years back watching a documentary on black people who basically hated their skin and wanted to be white. One woman hated her nose, wanted a more European one. She thought people didn't like her because she was black. So she went and got a nose job. Soon after that she left the house smiling and happy with a spring in her step, and you know that? It had an effect. People were more positive, more friendly, more engaging, but was clearly nothing to do with her nose. Who the fuck spends their time looking at peoples' noses anyway? She just presented herself differently. She went from being self conscious and awkward to wearing a short skirt, smiling, and watching this I'm listening to her talk and thinking "Love, you're just as black as you were yesterday. Only thing that changed is your outlook and people are picking up on it."

    We're a social species. We communicate through facial expression and body language more than we do with words.


    What Quod said.

    Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #16 - February 28, 2014, 01:56 PM

    Oh and dare I say it, if you want to improve your positive thinking I'm not sure starting at this site is the right course. Sure, it's great for linking with those who share your problems, but there's a great indulgence of each others problems here and not a lot of practical solutions. That's not a criticism! That's just the situation a lot of us find ourselves in.

    I've just read the above back and it seems quite severe, but there's an old adage about being around positive people and it rubbing off.  Try it. Smiley

    Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #17 - February 28, 2014, 02:11 PM

    Quote
    What Quod said.

    Oh and dare I say it, if you want to improve your positive thinking I'm not sure starting at this site is the right course. ............................


    hello Gandalf.,, I asked a question to the folks who are  reading this thread

    "What actually is Positive thinking??"

    Answers were not satisfactory  Huh?  ...

    So,  can you help me to understand that +ve thinking with some examples

    Do you think the so-called successful folks in life(in present day those who make lots and lots of millions of pounds and dollars)  ARE THEY +VE THINKERS??
     

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #18 - February 28, 2014, 02:25 PM

    Quote
    According to Oxford dictionary thinking means- a) the process of considering or reasoning about something
                                                                                                                 or
                                                                           b) a person’s ideas or opinions

    ...................
    @Mr  Yeezevee    
    Thinking is necessary. Thoughts shape our lives, create our personality. Thoughts are ideas and these are powerful.
    I think, therefore I am. If you erase my thoughts, you erase my indivuality. The difference between me and you, is the way I think. Cheesy

    I've been pessimistic for a long time and of course negative thoughts those not help you. They just make problems bigger and bigger, than they really are. They discourage you from acting and making changes. So I prefer being positive and of course work...


    answers are unsatisfactory ..Huh?   Huh?  

    So I ask again... WHAT IS +VE THINKING ?


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #19 - February 28, 2014, 02:38 PM

    ^ One day Land of Pure will become a secular country   Wink

  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #20 - February 28, 2014, 02:59 PM


    hello Gandalf.,, I asked a question to the folks who are  reading this thread

    "What actually is Positive thinking??"

    Answers were not satisfactory  Huh?  ...

    So,  can you help me to understand that +ve thinking with some examples

    Do you think the so-called successful folks in life(in present day those who make lots and lots of millions of pounds and dollars)  ARE THEY +VE THINKERS??
     


    To take your last question first: I think success is subjective. Some may think that getting a great job and earning big bucks is what success is, but others might measure it by having a happy family who loves them and having a comfortable life. I know of plenty examples of wealthy people committing suicide and generally leading destructive lifestyles because of some dissatisfaction with their ‘success’, but if there are such incidences for those who feel genuinely successful for raising a happy family and happy home then I haven’t heard of one.

    If I was to sum that up I would say, controversially, that you’re probably successful if you are truly happy with your lot. That’s not to say people shouldn’t try to achieve more, but it should be what you want to achieve and not what others measure success by.

    Positive thinking means just what it says. It is that simple, but that does not mean changing one’s behaviour to do it is easy. To coin a cliché it really is about seeing the glass as half full.

    I don’t know what it’s like where you are, but when I woke this morning the sun was shining. I thought about that for a moment. The sun; in all its fiery glory 96 million miles away somehow keeping us warm, making things grow and ultimately putting a smile on my face. It made me think of spring and days to come of riding my motorbike with my mates.

    At the moment it’s raining a little. I can see rivulets of water running down the edges of street. It pours down the drains and I wonder where it goes and how it ends up at my kitchen tap. It makes me think how lucky I am. It makes me think about making a cup of tea.

    Positive thinking can obviously be much harder at times of difficulty or tragedy. However, I have always taken the (probably non-scientific) approach of not dwelling on why and instead thinking of what to do next. In fact, you will probably find that people who suffer bouts of tragedy are more commonly positive thinkers because it puts life into stark perspective. It demonstrates how fragile it is.

    So be happy you’re here to enjoy it in the first place. Drink in the sun. Drink in the rain. Walk tall and try to shrug off your worries, because ultimately they’re temporary.

    The greatest admission you have to make to be a positive thinker is that it’s ultimately in your hands. People can give you all the support they like but really it’s down to you and no one else. Too much support can be negative; it becomes a crutch to lean on. Like I said above, learn to walk tall and unburdened. Use words like can instead of can’t; do instead of don’t; will instead of won’t. It all sounds so old and hippy-ish, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t work.

    Quod made a good point above about positivity rubbing off. Positivity gives you confidence, gives you control, gives you power. People around you will take more time in sizing you up before engaging with you. It puts you on the front foot…something a lot of people on here could do very well with.

    So when it comes to positive thinking – TRY IT. And if you find yourself slipping, catch yourself before you fall. Nobody else will.

    Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #21 - March 02, 2014, 04:53 AM

    If you mean by slipping that if my positive thoughts doesn't work, how will I catch myself?
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #22 - March 02, 2014, 05:58 AM

    It's not going to work 24/7, and you aren't going to change your outlook overnight. Imagine you're thirsty and you see this drink in front of you.



    You can either look at it negatively because it's half empty, or positively because it's half full.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #23 - March 02, 2014, 06:24 AM

    Or objectively, in that it's half a glass of water. Tongue

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #24 - March 02, 2014, 07:55 AM

    If you mean by slipping that if my positive thoughts doesn't work, how will I catch myself?


    You have to catch your negativity in the act and turn it around. That means right now, all the time. It doesn't mean everything you try will work, but you can be positive about that and say you tried your best.

    I can almost hear your next response: "Yeah, but what about this. How come that etc etc." You're stuck in a cycle of negativity and need to break it. Today.

    Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #25 - March 02, 2014, 10:45 AM

    The idea that positive thinking can manifest destiny is offensive quackery, the philosophy of the safe-living privileged that likes to believe their lot was hard won through personal effort and likes how that illusion makes them feel. It is not the philosophy of someone who has traversed hardship. It's the idiot pigeon that thinks it is the act of spinning around three times that made the food come down the chute.

    Positive thinking, to me, has always been more about coping with the bad shit. Salvaging a play from the hand you get dealt. But more than that, it has always been about social dynamics. Nobody wants to be around an emotional vampire that drains the life out of a situation and needs picking up all the time. That means there will be a net loss for everyone until you get back in synch. Positivity means you're pulling your weight, which will have a knock-on effect and be more conductive to proactivity, in turn making it easier and more satisfying to be a positive influence.

    And it seems to me that it takes the same amount of energy to dwell on something than it does to discern the good and discard the rest. And that you can train yourself, either actively and consciously or by falling into habit, to naturally do one or the other.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #26 - March 03, 2014, 07:01 PM

    ^^ This.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Positive thinking.
     Reply #27 - March 06, 2014, 02:15 PM

    Yup. Thanks Ishina.
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