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  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #30 - March 19, 2014, 01:47 AM

     
    Darwin? DarEPICwin, more like!


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  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #31 - March 19, 2014, 04:32 PM

    I looked the videos linked except the one about natural selection (I understand it already quite well), thanks my friend Ishina!
    I understand evolution now slightly and I'm ready to move deeper into it. So:

    1. How are the views about DNA and RNA observed? Where does the letters T,A,C,G come from? Do they look different? Can they be seen via microscope?
    2. What proof there is for evolution overall?
    3. I know this is kinda stupid according to people who admit evolution but I ask it, please don't get mad:
    Is there proof for "macro" evolution?
    4. Is there proof that we evolved from other species?

    Thanks!

    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #32 - March 19, 2014, 05:45 PM

    Siunaa did you ever look into Richard Dawkins youtube videos, he addresses all your questions

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

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  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #33 - March 19, 2014, 06:40 PM

    Okay, well I'll make it simple. Darwin had an idea for how different species came about, what is known as evolution. It was an interesting idea. It was noted that if this idea was indeed true then there should be remains of creatures that are our ancestors but not exactly like us in our modern form. There have since then been discoveries of such fossils that to the best of my knowledge are in fact the ancestors of modern humans. Another thing is DNA. After DNA was discovered, evolution was something that would be an interesting thing to look for. If evolution is true, then we should share DNA with other species, the closest of which would be other primates. This turned out to be correct. Another is the human genome specifically. If evolution is true then there should be a tree of life inside of us. This has proven to be the case.

    Also, here's some pictures Smiley













    Laws are theories. The laws of the universe are theories. Evolution is a theory. Gravity is a theory. Planets rotating around the sun is a theory. Gravity has a lot of proof, but we're always finding out new things about it we didn't know before, such as how gravity can change, the fact there are different types for instance Newtonian gravity and Einsteinian gravity are different. But we've tested it and it works. Still just a theory.

    We make our plans based on the idea of planets rotating around the sun and moons rotating around planets. This theory was used to calculate getting Armstrong onto the moon and the curiosity rover on Mars. It was used to calculate how to sent voyagers outside of our solar system and planned so it wouldn't be caught in the gravity of anything on it's way out. And it worked. Still just a theory.

    But like gravity, planets rotating the sun, fossils being able to be used as fuel, it's a scientific theory.

    All life has an origin. All life came from the same place. Perhaps this will help.





    We have the fossils. We have the DNA. We have the tree of life inside us showing us how we evolved. We have evolution in action before our eyes. There are also recessive traits. Which reminds me, what are your thoughts on atavism?

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     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #34 - March 19, 2014, 07:51 PM

    Confusedagno, what video of him? And are they compact, straight to the point proof of evolution or just overall lectures of evolution that are like 1-4 hours of talking?

    Thanks QSE. Answers arise.

    1. I have seen those family trees many times but I would like to know how do we know vertebrates evolved to fishes, fishes evolved to mammals, amphibians and reptiles, with them evolving to numerous others sub-animal groups?
    2. How exactly does the similarity with our DNA and other DNA of living things prove evolution?
    3. I'm not in denial, but I'm just bothered by the fact that there has been such hoaxes as Piltdown Man. How much I can trust of these found skulls etc.?
    4. What about the claims that fossils are found from "wrong" layers of earth and thus don't fit evolution theory?

    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #35 - March 19, 2014, 07:56 PM

    I’m sad how Rudolf died out with no offspring Cry.
  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #36 - March 19, 2014, 08:17 PM

    Where does the letters T,A,C,G come from?

    They refer to the compounds Thymine, Adenine, Cytosine and Guanine respectively.

    Do they look different? Can they be seen via microscope?

    They can be observed using what is called a scanning tunnelling microscope, which is able to image things on an atomic level.

    2. What proof there is for evolution overall?

    29+ Evidences for Macroevolution

    I personally think biogeography is the strongest evidence for evolution over time by natural selection.

    Quote
    Prediction 2.5: Present biogeography
    Because species divergence happens not only in the time dimension, but also in spatial dimensions, common ancestors originate in a particular geographical location. Thus, the spatial and geographical distribution of species should be consistent with their predicted genealogical relationships. The standard phylogenetic tree predicts that new species must originate close to the older species from which they are derived. Closely related contemporary species should be close geographically, regardless of their habitat or specific adaptations. If they are not, there had better be a good explanation, such as extreme mobility (cases like sea animals, birds, human mediated distribution, etc.), continental drift, or extensive time since their divergence. In this sense, the present biogeographical distribution of species should reflect the history of their origination.

    A reasonable nonevolutionary prediction is that species should occur wherever their habitat is. However, macroevolution predicts just the opposite — there should be many locations where a given species would thrive yet is not found there, due to geographical barriers (Futuyma 1998, pp. 201-203).

    Confirmation:
    With few exceptions, marsupials only inhabit Australia. The exceptions (some South American species and the opossum) are explained by continental drift (South America, Australia, and Antarctica were once the continent of Gondwanaland). Conversely, placental mammals are virtually absent on Australia, despite the fact that many would flourish there. Humans introduced most of the few placentals found on Australia, and they have spread rapidly.

    Similarly, the southern reaches of South America and Africa and all of Australia share lungfishes, ostrich-like birds (ratite birds), and leptodactylid frogs — all of which occur nowhere else. Alligators, some related species of giant salamander, and magnolias only occur in Eastern North America and East Asia (these two locations were once spatially close in the Laurasian continent).

    In addition, American, Saharan and Australian deserts have very similar habitats, and plants from one grow well in the other. However, indigenous Cacti only inhabit the Americas, while Saharan and Australian vegetation is very distantly related (mostly Euphorbiaceae). Humans introduced the only Cacti found in the Australian outback, and they grow quite well in their new geographical location.

    The west and east coast of South America is very similar in habitat, but the marine fauna is very different. In addition, members of the closely related pineapple family inhabit many diverse habitats (such as rainforest, alpine, and desert areas), but only in the American tropics, not African or Asian tropics (Futuyma 1998, ch. 8).

    Potential Falsification:
    From a limited knowledge of species distributions, we predict that we should never find elephants on distant Pacific islands, even though they would survive well there. Similarly, we predict that we should not find amphibians on remote islands, or indigenous Cacti on Australia. Closely related species could be distributed evenly worldwide, according to whichever habitat best suits them. If this were the general biogeographical pattern, it would be a strong blow to macroevolution (Brown and Lomolino 1998).


    3. I know this is kinda stupid according to people who admit evolution but I ask it, please don't get mad:
    Is there proof for "macro" evolution?

    Macro evolution is cumulative micro evolution. They are not different phenomena, they are different scales of the same phenomenon. Like microseconds are a measurement of time the same as years are, but depending on the conversation and the scale being talked about, it's sometimes better to talk in terms of one or the other. Like it's more practical to tell someone your age in years instead of in microseconds. It conveys the amount of time quicker and easier, in terms of a more efficient scale.

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  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #37 - March 19, 2014, 08:19 PM

    4. What about the claims that fossils are found from "wrong" layers of earth and thus don't fit evolution theory?

    What claims?

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  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #38 - March 19, 2014, 08:26 PM



    Bloody amazing link. Thanks for that. People should take note that THIS is the scientific method. Each reason ends with a ‘falsification’ section — what sort of thing would prove the theory to be untrue. Note that religion NEVER does this.
  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #39 - March 19, 2014, 08:29 PM

    Yeah, TalkOrigins is one of my fave websites on evolutionary biology. One of the more extensive and well-explained sources on the subject.

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  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #40 - March 19, 2014, 08:45 PM

    I looked the videos linked except the one about natural selection (I understand it already quite well), thanks my friend Ishina!
    I understand evolution now slightly and I'm ready to move deeper into it. So:

    1. How are the views about DNA and RNA observed? Where does the letters T,A,C,G come from? Do they look different? Can they be seen via microscope?
    2. What proof there is for evolution overall?
    3. I know this is kinda stupid according to people who admit evolution but I ask it, please don't get mad:
    Is there proof for "macro" evolution?
    4. Is there proof that we evolved from other species?

    Thanks!

    You do realise you could easily answer these questions for yourself if you really wanted to. whistling2

    1. a/ What do you mean? b/ From the names of the amino acids involved. c/ Does what look different? At what scale? How is it relevant? d/ Yes, of course they can.

    2. More than you can ever read in your entire life. Literally. How much do you want, from how many different fields?

    3. You explain how "macro" evolution differs in principle from "micro" evolution. (Hint: it doesn't)

    4. See 2.

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  • Re: Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #41 - March 19, 2014, 08:56 PM

    1. I have seen those family trees many times but I would like to know how do we know vertebrates evolved to fishes, fishes evolved to mammals, amphibians and reptiles, with them evolving to numerous others sub-animal groups?

    No rabbits in the Cambrian. bunny

    Quote
    2. How exactly does the similarity with our DNA and other DNA of living things prove evolution?

    A good example is lack of vitamin C production in primates. It's caused by a broken gene (look up GULO if you want to know more). This gene is broken in exactly the same way in all primates. The only way that is going to happen is if the gene broke before the species split.

    Guinea pigs also cannot make their own vitamin C, which is also due to a broken gene, but the way theirs is broken is different. That's not surprising given that guinea pigs are only distantly related to primates, and tells us that both genes broke well after the common ancestor of guinea pigs and primates had diverged into other species.

    Quote
    3. I'm not in denial, but I'm just bothered by the fact that there has been such hoaxes as Piltdown Man. How much I can trust of these found skulls etc.?

    Are you sure you're not in denial? Cheesy

    Piltdown Man was supsected to be a hoax long before it was confirmed by better analytical techniques. That doesn't apply to most fossils. Assuming that it might apply to most fossils would be a, you guessed it, conspiracy theory.

    How do creationists try to explain away the evidence for evolution? They accuse scientists of being involved in a global conspiracy. Hey ho.

    Quote
    4. What about the claims that fossils are found from "wrong" layers of earth and thus don't fit evolution theory?

    Like Ishina said: what claims? Be specific. Hand-waving objections that can never be nailed down are bullshit.

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  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #42 - March 19, 2014, 09:09 PM

    If something doesn't fit the theoretical model then you have to allow for that model to be wrong. Even our medicine is based on evolution. The pills, the anti-virals, the treatments we use are with evolution in mind. No evolution, no medicine.

    As for how exactly does the similarity with our DNA and other DNA of living things prove evolution, because we're related. All life evolved. Every single living thing is your relative. From the insects to the giants, they are your cousins. Evolution works by adaptation. Adaptation/evolution works by dominant traits. The dominant parent traits will be the traits dominant in the offspring. But instead of evolution of species, let's focus on our fellow brothers and sisters today and the vast amount of traits we have. It's a good place to start, and then just branch out from there.

    For instance let's say I have two children. One of them is average, the other is autistic. Now, we don't know for sure autism is purely down to genetics but let's say for the purpose of this post it is. 30 years go by, and both of them have children on the way. I would acknowledge that it's a very real possibility I'm going to have an autistic grandchild, and obviously it's far more likely my autistic child will have an autistic child of their own than the non autistic one. The reason for this is that the neurology of their brains is different, and how our brain work, how they are formed, is keyed into our genetic code and as the dominant information, that's what will usually be passed on. It's also very likely the non autistic one will have an autistic child by virtue of shared genetics but if they don't it's less likely the next generation will. For instance I have red hair and blue eyes. If I were to knock someone up, say a woman with blonde hair and green eyes, both our genetic information would be playing a part. My DNA would be saying we need a child with red hair and blue eyes, her biological coding would be saying we need a child with blonde hair and green eyes.

    Let's say my coding wins out and the child is born with red hair and blue eyes. That is the dominant trait, and thus the primary coding to be passed on to the next generation. When that child grows up and has children of their own, the dominant information (red hair blue eyes) will be assumed to be the correct coding and fight to pass it on a third time. Just as if the mother's traits were the dominant ones and my child was born with blonde hair and green eyes, when they have children of their own the dominant traits (blonde hair green eyes) are the ones that will try to be passed on.

    Of course there's always genetic combinations, but as far as evolution goes the above is a very good way to explain it. So sticking with that, let's say certain  groups in blue land have mostly blue eyes. The blue eyed trait is the most common so will be the most manifest. It will be easy to tell if someone is from blue land because they process the traits that the bluers have.

    For instance Europeans are known to be fair, Africans are known to be dark, Orientals are known to have more slanted eyes, and so on. And if say there's a personal or several people who have all these traits within them, part European, part African, part Asian etc this is also something to take into account. For instance the average white American may not have the same distinct features as an ethnic Swede who's ancestry is a lot more simple than most Americans who have bits of many peoples in them.



    See if you can easily tell which photos are of mixed race people and which are not.





















































    I'm assuming you can see both the differences and the similarities in the pictures above. It's a good example how we have variation within a species. And consider this is only one group, only one species. Look how much we can have in just this. Imagine how many possible ways we could of been born, how different the colour, the bones, the traits passed on to you. All of this within one species in an incredibly short amount of time.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #43 - March 19, 2014, 09:12 PM

    Ishina got here while I was writing this and pretty much answered everything, so I'm just going to leave in a few extra things about DNA/RNA:

    DNA has a lot of stuff in it. It varies from organism to organism, but basically in human DNA you have partsthat do absolutely nothing, parts that code for things, parts that are pretty much unique to you, but most of human DNA is practically identical from one human to another—except at certain points.

    In these shorter points, there is a lot of information about how we make you Siunaa. If some of these points were changed, maybe we'd end up with Yeezevee! But, since you both have about 99% identical DNA, we know that you are both human. Also with a bit of extra prodding we can conclude that you are both male, confirm or deny your relationship to your parents, and make other reasonable assumptions about who you are. Compare that with any other creature. There will be similarities, yes, because all life comes from common ancestors.

    Compare this to your favorite plant. You might have ~25% of the same DNA as one of the plants in your garden. There's a huge difference, and for good reason. The similarities are there because, at our core, we are cut from the same cloth, but we have gone in such different directions over an insanely long span of years that you and your plant have little in common nowadays and you don't even like the same things anymore.  

    How much of your DNA matches with another organism typically shows you directly how closely related you are. The higher the percentage, the closer the relation. In some pretty interesting cases (this is not the same for all organisms, but it is true for humans), there's this thing called mitochondrial DNA that pretty much stays the same over time, since it is passed down maternally and doesn't need anything from the father, so it is comparatively pure.

    And, speaking of the mitochondria, there's a great deal of evidence to suggest that this particular organelle (which is  the way we manufacture most of our energy) evolved from an ancient prokaryote. Not too relevant to your question, but interesting.

    As Ishina said, the letters are just abbreviations for nitrogenous bases. In order to really understand them, you have to understand the basics of chemistry. To make it simple, take guanine and cytosine. Due to their chemical structure, they are only going to want to connect with each other. If an adenine comes along, guanine doesn't want it. It's just not an energetically favorable match, and so it doesn't connect. This remains true throughout the entire process. It sounds strange, but it is only a matter of having five compounds, and, due to their structure, they only want to connect other very particular things. And, the longer I spend in this field, the more I think that that is all there really is to biology. Things wanting to connect to things.

    And they do look different! Yes. In fact, in certain depictions of DNA, we as students/biologists are sometimes only given a picture with the size/shape of the nitrogenous bases, but are expected to be able to identify what each base is by look alone. It is the same as looking at any other chemical structure, really.

    Finally, they actually can be seen with a microscope now (electron of course) but they're not really easy to see. The most famous early picture of it is “Image 51,” an x ray diffraction of DNA.
  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #44 - March 19, 2014, 09:19 PM

    lotsa stuff

    Umm, Quod: blonde hair is not a dominant trait. It's due to a recessive gene. Same for blue eyes, IIRC. You're getting your terminology all fuckered up.  yes

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  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #45 - March 19, 2014, 09:24 PM

    Blue eyes can win out, it's just not common. Dunno about blonde hair. I was going for understanding concepts rather that accuracy of specific genetic traits.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #46 - March 19, 2014, 09:28 PM

    Yes they can "win out", but that's not the same as a "dominant trait". The latter has a specific meaning: that one copy of the gene in question will override any matching gene from the other parent. A recessive trait requires both genes, from both parents, to be the same.

    Point is that getting the terminology wrong is only going to lead to more confusion down the track.

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  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #47 - March 19, 2014, 09:31 PM

    Fair enough.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #48 - March 20, 2014, 09:01 PM

    Here ya go: more evidence for evolution, just out today.

    The humerus of Eusthenopteron: a puzzling organization presaging the establishment of tetrapod limb bone marrow

    Per Ahlberg said "We paid a fortune to make it Open Access, so damn well read it!" grin12

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  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #49 - March 21, 2014, 06:21 PM

    You do realise you could easily answer these questions for yourself if you really wanted to. whistling2


    Well, I always try to look at things first by myself (that's how I knew natural selection btw.) but by communicating I feel like I learn more and as person with ADHD I feel like I don't have to read as much if others are helping me to concentrating on the exact subject.
    I could have obviously answered it myself but I don't really know why I should've. I hope my questions don't bother ye and I'm thankful for every answer in this forum.

    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #50 - April 01, 2014, 02:41 PM

    I have tried to find good videos on human and "macroevolution". I just cannot fully concentrate on English text
    of that long (29 proofs of macro evolution). Literally every video I found on the subject was creationist stuff.

    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #51 - April 01, 2014, 05:47 PM

    That's probably because the idea that there is a fundamental difference between macroevolution and microevolution is a creationist idea.

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  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #52 - April 01, 2014, 07:29 PM

    Yup. It's a bullshit distinction. "Macroevolution" is just accumulated "microevolution".

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  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #53 - April 01, 2014, 08:52 PM

    ^ Like a staircase is accumulated steps。
  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #54 - April 01, 2014, 09:02 PM

    "But there are no transitional steps between two steps"

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  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #55 - April 01, 2014, 11:04 PM

    One of the key issues in this micro vs macro evolution is many advocates do not understand the terminology used within evolution. Many claim they have never seen a species turn into another. The usually example is say a dog becoming a cat. The issue here is the lack of understanding the taxonomic ranking used.  Bears and Dogs are part of the Caniformia order. This order contains many species but lets focus on the two I have mentioned. Caniformia based species all share common traits; long snouts, non-retractable claws, long jaws, more teeth, less specialized carnivore teeth. The difference in teeth has enabled these animals to become omnivores as opposed to Feliformia (Cats) which are specialized as meat eaters. So Dogs and Bears are related by these shared traits just as Feliformia have shared traits. Now Bears, Ursidae, and Dogs, Canidae, are two families within the Order Caniformia. Species within each family share more common traits than with those species outside of a family. After this are sub-families, tribe, genus and species.

    When a new species emerges it is a specialized branch of the previous species. Dogs are a new species developed by Humans, we have breed specialized traits into Wolves with a focus on social traits. Dogs treat other animals are part of the social grouping. Adult Humans are seen as the alphas with our youth as Betas and generic off-spring. Dogs will protect and nurture our off-spring. If you look at herding Dogs; sheep, cow, other livestock. These Dogs treat these animals as a 3rd or off-spring social order protecting these animals from external and internal harm. Dog already can not produce viable off-spring with Wolves so each is a separate species. Yet we know Dogs are breed from the Gray Wolf so we are seeing macro-evolution in process. The key difference is as an intelligent species we are aware of traits and specialized breeding, we can control it which causes rapid development. It is an uncontrolled experiment in progress. By uncontrolled I am referring the fact that we have let loose our creation rather isolated it as done within biological experiments.

    When we assess the "family" tree of Dogs it is a species within it itself. Since it's genus is not extinct it is also a subspecies of the Gray Wolf. Likewise the Gray Wolf is a species but also the genus of the Dog. Macro-evolution in progress. If we continued our programs of Dog breed but isolated each breed. New species would start emerging based on Breeds, these would be new sub-species until the genetic divergence is great enough these sub-species are incapable of cross breeding. If humans were devoid of our higher intelligence and reasoning ability we would start the process of genetic divergence. Populations in the New World were become different than those in the Old World. Regional and environmental barriers would also further divide Humans into specialized groups; Himalayas, Andes, Sahara, etc. We would see exactly what we see within our own species and those species related to Humans. Culture is merely the social evolution seen within wolves, ants, bees, etc.

    I just fail to see how one can not see evolution's basic concepts of development within our ability to create abstract concepts. Concepts which become parts of our environmental control. Culture, religion, technology, society, etc. We are intelligent designers but so far we have more failures than successes. We have created own networks of systems which can destroy us without an action required by us. I question the idea that an all knowing intelligent benevolent being would willingly create a species which not only can destroy it's environment, other species and it's self but which can also create the sources of it's own extinction. I can conceive of an neutral or malevolent being doing so.

    It just doesn't make sense to me at all  finmad


  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #56 - April 02, 2014, 07:12 AM


    The whole idea of "species" is as much a convenient system of classification as anything else. The borders between species aren't always fixed or definite. Ring species are a good example of this.

    Quote
    One of the key issues in this micro vs macro evolution is many advocates do not understand the terminology used within evolution. Many claim they have never seen a species turn into another. The usually example is say a dog becoming a cat. The issue here is the lack of understanding the taxonomic ranking used.

    There's a bigger issue there: not having a clue how evolution works.

    A dog turning into a cat, or similar examples that creationists often come up with, is exactly the sort of thing that evolution does not predict because there is no plausible pathway for such a transformation. Or at least, not without millions of years and a continuum of intermediate forms that are neither recognisably dog nor recognisably cat. It's as silly as "If humans came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?"

    Anyway, Suinaa Maailmaa: here's more evidence of human evolution for you. Just some random stuff I happened to be looking at today.

    Calcium absorption not the cause of evolution of milk digestion in Europeans

    Natural selection has altered the appearance of Europeans over the past 5,000 years

    And going a long way further back in time.......

    Researchers discover ancient virus DNA remnants necessary for pluripotency in humans

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  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #57 - April 02, 2014, 07:17 AM

    Siunaa I really wish you could read the book i mentioned to you it really answers ALL these questions and more in such an easy to understand way, wish i could translate it for you  Wink

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

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  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #58 - April 02, 2014, 07:23 AM

    Y'know, I'm bloody sure there are good texts on evolution already written in Finnish. Finland today is not like Terra del Fuego in the 2nd century BC.

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  • Theory of [human] evolution
     Reply #59 - April 02, 2014, 07:52 AM

    The whole idea of "species" is as much a convenient system of classification as anything else. The borders between species aren't always fixed or definite. Ring species are a good example of this.
    There's a bigger issue there: not having a clue how evolution works.


    Hence my example of Wolves and Dogs. The lines are blurred between each. The lines are blurring between species of Dogs. Dogs can very well become a ring species. A few breeds already have difficultly cross-breeding.
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