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 Topic: Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun

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  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     OP - March 18, 2014, 08:59 PM
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    Saudi Cleric Claims: The Sun Revolves Around the Earth

    Forget what you learned at school. A Saudi cleric recently said that the sun revolves around the Earth, citing the Koran as proof.

    , Today, 6:14 AM

    We have all been taught at school that the Earth revolves around the sun, but, according tow a senior Saudi cleric, we’ve been misled.

    In fact, Saleh Al-Fawzan, a member of the Saudi Council of Senior Scholars, recently claimed in a televised interview that not only does the Earth not revolve around the sun, the opposite is true.

    Al-Fawzan’s proof for his claim that the sun revolved around the Earth is none other than the Koran. The interview aired on Saudi Channel 1 and was translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqv0iuiBta8
    In the interview, the host asks Al-Fawzan, “Allah says in a Koranic verse: ‘And the sun runs towards its stopping point. That is the determination of the All-Powerful, the All-Knowing.’ Does the sun revolve around the earth?”

    Saleh Al-Fawzan replies by saying, “There is no doubt about it. The Koran says: ‘The sun runs…’ Nevertheless, they say that the sun stands in place and the Earth moves. This contradicts the Koran.”

    “Ignoring the Koran and adopting modern theories is not something a Muslim can do. A Muslim must follow the Koran,” he adds.

    In another recent science-related claim by Muslims, an Iranian cleric declared that famed Jewish scientist Albert Einstein was not Jewish at all.

    In fact, said Ayatolla Mahadavi Kani, Einstein was a Shiite Muslim who converted to Islam and got the idea for his Theory of Relativity from Islam.


    Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/wap/Item.aspx?type=0&item=178615
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  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #1 - March 18, 2014, 09:04 PM
    Do the planets revolve around earth too then?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #2 - March 18, 2014, 09:06 PM
    popcorn
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #3 - March 18, 2014, 09:21 PM
    Just think if it actually was scientifically proved that the sun goes around the earth and then YouTube/lecture dawah scholars would yell: "Quran clearly describes that sun goes around the earth in 6th century. Can you believe that, 6th century? How can you say it was written by mere human? You see the signs and you deny the signs."
    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #4 - March 18, 2014, 09:25 PM
    What's your point?
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #5 - March 18, 2014, 09:37 PM
    Don't you think it would be funny how the same guys who are now claiming that Quran is crystal clear how it claims that moon goes around earth, earth around sun and sun moves in larger orbit different from two former, and use it to prove divine origin, but then they would totally turn their view and claim how Quran perfectly describes flat earth and is therefore from God?
    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #6 - March 18, 2014, 09:38 PM
    Ok, so what you're saying is that if the Quran was right, which it isn't........................... grin12
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #7 - March 18, 2014, 09:40 PM
    Yeah. I think Zakir Naik would find some proof of foreknowledge from Quran even if science proved the earth to be flattened ice cream in space.
    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #8 - March 18, 2014, 09:42 PM
    Yup.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #9 - March 18, 2014, 09:57 PM
    I'm trying to visualise the logistics of this. The orbits of the inner planets would be intersecting with the position of earth, especially so when the sun and planet are on opposite sides of the earth.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #10 - March 18, 2014, 09:59 PM
    What will happen to these people if they are confronted with undeniable evidence which shows that earth and all other planets revolve around the sun. To my own sadness, I think that a lot of them would just ignore it and come up with some conspiracy theory and say "quran is true, khalas". Some Muslim clerics have claimed that the dinosaurs are all just one giant conspiracy by the west, but mermaids might actually be true (hence the fiqhi rules and fatawas).   Cheesy
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #11 - March 18, 2014, 10:01 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on March 18, 2014, 09:57 PM
    I'm trying to visualise the logistics of this. The orbits of the inner planets would be intersecting with the position of earth, especially so when the sun and planet are on opposite sides of the earth.


    Why do you even bother? Fuck logic, fuck science. The important part is whether or not it says anything about it in the quran, if it isn't necessary for the deen, you are dwelling too much on matters that "do not concern us". 
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #12 - March 18, 2014, 10:04 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower on March 18, 2014, 09:59 PM
    Some Muslim clerics have claimed that the dinosaurs are all just one giant conspiracy by the west, but mermaids might actually be true (hence the fiqhi rules and fatawas).   Cheesy

    Eh wot? I knew about the mermaid munching rules. They're so important I had them tattooed on my arm for possible future reference. I hadn't heard about the "dinosaurs are a conspiracy" stuff though. That sounds like awesome popcorn. Cheesy
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #13 - March 18, 2014, 10:11 PM
    I've heard the dinosaurs didn't exist angle from more than just Muslim sources. Young Earth advocates occasionally throw that one out there.
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #14 - March 18, 2014, 10:14 PM
    Really? I've never heard that from YEC's. I've only ever heard them claim that all extinct critters were around before Da FluddeTM.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #15 - March 18, 2014, 10:18 PM
    Because how can you explain fossils and bones from extinct animals going back more than 100 million years in time, but then have Adam naming every animal known and whatnot. I don't think Mo and other religious figures knew about animals going extinct...


    Anyway, every single fact and evidence for anything that goes against the quran is just a conspiracy, didn't you get the memo?

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #16 - March 18, 2014, 10:23 PM
    I heard it very rarely, osmanthus, since most just try to attack carbon dating, and for some reason more theists are willing to buy that basic matters in chemistry are extremely unreliable and that the scientists are all deceptive, but postulating that the dinosaur bones are a hoax is just waaay too out there.
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #17 - March 18, 2014, 10:24 PM
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    In fact, Saleh Al-Fawzan, a member of the Saudi Council of Senior Scholars, recently claimed in a televised interview that not only does the Earth not revolve around the sun, the opposite is true.


    I actually met him once. parrot

    He's an ultra conservative salafi. Unapologetic in his ignorance. In that bubble, the sun goes around the earth, the heart is where our intellect and thoughts are centered, and the first man was a 90 foot tall giant. There is no getting through to them. The absurd things I heard from those Saudi scholars, all backed up by scripture, was the first step in my journey out.
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #18 - March 18, 2014, 10:33 PM
    Quote from: lua on March 18, 2014, 10:23 PM
    I heard it very rarely, osmanthus, since most just try to attack carbon dating, and for some reason more theists are willing to buy that basic matters in chemistry are extremely unreliable and that the scientists are all deceptive, but postulating that the dinosaur bones are a hoax is just waaay too out there.

    That's because they can see bones but don't understand radiometric dating.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #19 - March 18, 2014, 10:34 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower on March 18, 2014, 10:01 PM
    Why do you even bother?

    I like to catalogue stupidity.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #20 - March 18, 2014, 10:35 PM
    As I think about it, wasn't it Fawzan who did the mermaid fatwa too? And this guy is on the supreme committee of national scholars. Fucking Saudi Arabia. An impossible country to parody.
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #21 - March 19, 2014, 02:29 PM
    Write a biography of him?  Make you a fortune!
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


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  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #22 - March 19, 2014, 06:51 PM
    sometimes I can't help but smile when reading some of these comments, but at the same time I can't help cry inside that my 'truth' is slowly being shattered
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #23 - March 19, 2014, 06:57 PM
     far away hug On the plus side at least you'll actually know what's real and what's not.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #24 - March 19, 2014, 07:01 PM
    There is nothing wrong with being wrong, and it is very dangerous to hold on to your version of "truth" when the evidence strongly suggests against it.
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #25 - March 19, 2014, 07:04 PM
    All true Smiley But still is scary to have your world shattered 
     far away hug
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #26 - March 19, 2014, 07:08 PM
    But so wonderful to realise that the world is so much bigger and so much more interesting than you ever imagined. Smiley
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #27 - March 19, 2014, 07:10 PM
    Why see it as your world being shattered? When converts talk about their experience of "enlightenment", they talk about how the world opened up for them and they realized what was true and real. Your world is not being shattered, your world is opening up for you.
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Forget what you learned about the earth revolving around the sun
     Reply #28 - March 19, 2014, 07:11 PM
    Ye I always couldn't accept that this world is nothing but a test, for me I always felt there has to be more to life then getting through the tests of life and preparing for death (Islam in a nutshell).
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
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