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  • Jealousy: A hypothetical situation
     OP - April 02, 2014, 05:56 PM

    this is a dialogue about this post (http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=26147.0)

    thoughts?

    ----

    [Jon and Chris are at home playing. A friend of the family comes over, talks with dad a little bit, and then leaves.]

    [Jon notices a bag that wasn't there before dad's friend came over. He goes over there to see what's inside.]

    [Jon grabs 2 suckers out of the bag.]

    Jon: Awesome! Suckers!

    [Jon unwraps a sucker and starts enjoying it.]

    Chris: Really? I want some!

    Chris: Ah man. There's only 1 sucker left.

    Chris: Jon, how about you throw away one of your suckers?

    Dad: What? Why should Jon do that?

    Chris: Because then it'll be fair, so I'll feel better.

    Dad: um, how does Jon losing a sucker make you feel better?

    Chris: I just said, "then it'll be fair."

    Dad: I don't know what you mean. How does Jon losing a sucker affect your life?

    Chris: Because then it'll be fair.

    Dad: You're not explaining what you mean. Why do you care that you have as much as Jon does?

    Chris: Well, I'd feel bad if I didn't.

    Dad: You're still not explaining what you mean. You're basically saying "I feel it because I feel it." That's circular.

    Chris: [blank out]

    Chris: Why did your friend only bring 3 suckers?

    Dad: I don't know what that has to do with why you would feel better if Jon lost a sucker.

    Dad: My friend didn't say anything about it. Maybe he accidentally left it here. Maybe he meant to bring it to his house, to give to his kids, and maybe it fell out of his pocket while he was here.

    Chris: But this isn't fair!

    Dad: Are you trying to say that somebody wronged you?

    Chris: Yes.

    Dad: Who wronged you, and what did they do wrong, and what do you think they should have done instead and why?

    Chris: [blank out]

    Dad: Do you realize that we could just go to the store and buy a whole bag of suckers for like $2? I mean, anytime we go to the store you always get whatever candy you want, and anytime we don't have the candy you want, you've asked me to take you to the store and we go. So I don't see the problem.

    Chris: Oh ya. Ok I want to go to the store right now.

    Dad: k, gimme 10 minutes to finish this email and we'll go.

    Chris: Deal!

    [Jon's finishes his first sucker and get's out his 2nd sucker.]

    Jon: I don't want this anymore. Chris you want it?

    Chris: Ya gimme.

    [Chris finishes his first sucker.]

    Chris: Actually I don't want it anymore. These don't even taste that good.

    Jon: I know.

    Dad: Do you still want to go to the store?

    Jon: Ya! I wanna get some hershey bars.

    Chris: I don't know what I want.

    Dad: you can decide later. get ready, I'm almost done with this email.

    [Jon and Chris run off to get ready.]
  • Jealousy: A hypothetical situation
     Reply #1 - April 02, 2014, 06:30 PM

    So is this a very hackneyed and ridiculously see-through defence of wealth inequality created by trickle-down/piss-on/supply side economics and flat/regressive taxation systems? If it is, there are a few minor modifications you need to make.
  • Jealousy: A hypothetical situation
     Reply #2 - April 02, 2014, 07:32 PM

    Aroiti,

    it actually happened. it's a hypotheticalized version of a real story.
  • Jealousy: A hypothetical situation
     Reply #3 - April 02, 2014, 07:34 PM

    Ok

    But what was your intention when posting this?
  • Jealousy: A hypothetical situation
     Reply #4 - April 02, 2014, 07:35 PM

    To discuss jealousy, why people experience it.
  • Jealousy: A hypothetical situation
     Reply #5 - April 02, 2014, 07:37 PM

    Through the lens of Randian philosophy and free market economics?
  • Jealousy: A hypothetical situation
     Reply #6 - April 02, 2014, 07:38 PM

    Aroiti, my view on jealousy has been the same since as far back as i can remember. i didn't know Rand till a couple of years ago.
  • Jealousy: A hypothetical situation
     Reply #7 - April 02, 2014, 07:41 PM

    I'm sorry for assuming, but your story reads a lot like some sort of justification for wealth inequality and supply side economics
  • Jealousy: A hypothetical situation
     Reply #8 - April 02, 2014, 07:45 PM

    Aroiti,

    no problem. i agree with you that there is a connection though.

    what i've noticed is that people who want socialism (in the sense of the far opposite of free-market economics) think that resources are limited, and so there is only so much resources to go around. and i've asked these people for why they believe that resources are limited, and i don't get any good answers.
  • Jealousy: A hypothetical situation
     Reply #9 - April 02, 2014, 07:54 PM

    Depends on the resource, but land, gold, oil, gas, and minerals are all finite, I don't see how this can be debated.
  • Jealousy: A hypothetical situation
     Reply #10 - April 02, 2014, 08:07 PM

    land (for food production) - as technology increases, our food production per unit land increases without limit. and technology increases without limit.

    gold isn't a resource. it's value depends on the value we give it. it's not used for production of anything.

    oil/gas (which is for energy) - as technology increases, and as demand increases, our oil extraction and production increases without limit (until it runs out) -- in which case we'll have other energy sources[1].

    minerals - as technology increases, we can get minerals from places that we couldn't get them from before (e.g. deeper in the earth, other planets[2])

    - [1] consider this one: http://ramisciencetech.blogspot.com/2013/11/whats-plan-b-for-energy-hint-it.html

    - [2] consider reading _The Beginning of Infinity_, by David Deutsch, about technology increasing without limit and about resources not being limited.
  • Jealousy: A hypothetical situation
     Reply #11 - April 02, 2014, 08:35 PM

    To an extent I agree with RamiRustom.

    Nuclear fusion research, the most promising work into developing energy for humanities needs, gets a meagre $357 Million a year in the US by the government. Meanwhile, BP oil spills cost $20 billion to clean up, the US spends $1 Trillion on Defense and NASA gets more budget cuts. If we get our priorities straight, we can accomplish so much.
  • Jealousy: A hypothetical situation
     Reply #12 - April 02, 2014, 08:43 PM

    Solar energy looks promising too. Today I think our solar cells only make use of like 20% of the solar energy that hit the cells, and we'll be able to increase that to near 100% in the future, and the cost of the cells will decrease dramatically. Imagine a day where all cars, all tops buildings, etc are converting solar energy to electrical energy. The only cost of the energy will be the small capital expense and the maintenance expense of the cells.
  • Jealousy: A hypothetical situation
     Reply #13 - April 02, 2014, 08:51 PM

    and about food production,

    10 years ago, when I was a cell phone salesman, I talked to an agriculturalist who told me (because I asked a ton of questions) that with our current technology we can produce enough food for the entire world's population from a piece of land the size of delaware. (not low efficiency food like cows, but high efficiency stuff like beans or whatever. also not the technology needed to transport it without loss of food, but just the technology needed to produce the food.)
  • Jealousy: A hypothetical situation
     Reply #14 - April 02, 2014, 09:51 PM

    To an extent I agree with RamiRustom.

    Nuclear fusion research, the most promising work into developing energy for humanities needs, gets a meagre $357 Million a year in the US by the government. Meanwhile, BP oil spills cost $20 billion to clean up, the US spends $1 Trillion on Defense and NASA gets more budget cuts. If we get our priorities straight, we can accomplish so much.

    Plus the resources we could reap from mining asteroids. Science actually is beneficial folks.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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