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OP - April 08, 2014, 08:52 AM

I have been seeing these lessons from surah Kahf pop up more and more on my fb page. Now while the story itself is questionable apparently there are a lot of morals people seem to be deriving from this story, such as:

Friday Surah Kahf Reflection:

Surah Al-Kahf is one of the Makkan Surahs and that is why one of its themes is Tawheed. Every aspect of this Surah teaches us a different aspect of Tawheed.

The Surah begins with Alhamdulillah, then warns those who believe Allah has a child about he dangers of their Shirk, then shows how Allah takes care of the believers in the story of the people of the cave, then shows how Allah deals with ungrateful servants in the story of the two man and the garden.

The Surah then reminds us of the creation of Adam and how Shaytaan tries to lead people into Shirk and the consequence of that, then moves on to the story of Musa and Khidr which teaches us about the Wisdom and Qadar of Allah, and finally the story of Dhul Qarnayn which shows us among many other things Allah's power to hide an entire nation (Gog and Magog) from mankind until the time comes for them to be unleashed.

It is clear also from the fact that Surah Kahf begins with Alhamdulillah (All Praise is for Allah Alone) and ends with "and so whoever wishes to meet their Lord should do good deeds and avoid associating anyone as a partner to Allah,"

Friday Surah Kahf Reflection:

"Definitely, I have made whatever is on this earth beautiful to test which of you are best in Deeds, and definitely I will make whatever is on it dry bare soil," (Surah Kahf 18:7-8)

A theme which runs throughout Surah Kahf is that the good things in this world were created to test us.

If we look around the Muslim world today, so many of us are failing this test. How many Muslims have attained worldly success and it has distracted them from Allah?

We become so caught up in our wealth, earning it, spending it then wasting our lives in all the luxuries we purchased that we forget why we exist.

Have we forgotten that the beautiful things in this world exist to test us? Have we forgotten that one day it will all become dry bare soil and disappear and only our deeds will remain? Have we prepared anything for that day?

May Allah assist us all in passing the tests of life."

I don't want to bore you with all of them, but what really bothers me here is creating and living with this unhealthy mentality that this life is nothing but a test, everything has to be done for allah.

I personally never believed in this world being black and white, right and wrong, but all sorts of colors exist.

Now I wonder, the people deriving these tafseers, what is going through their mind? On the one hand everyone, even them want to enjoy their life and trust me most do, but then they preach things like this. Its a hypocrisy on so many different levels.

Now the classic phrase, don't look at the muslims, look at Islam. So looking at the above preachings of fairytales and ridiculously impossible ideologies what exactly is suppose to be so appealing here? Is it suppose to appeal to me that an all merciful god created me, knowing exactly what is going to happen to me, and then flung me on earth, instilled in me human desires, and created all these temptations just so I can live my life strongly resisting all these beautiful things to please a narcissistic god so I could go to a heaven that has all these same things I had to resist on earth. So wait if these beautiful things are SO evil for me on this earth what makes them ok in Heaven?

I have noticed a trend in that how according to muslim preaches like above, every single little thing in this life is a test you either pass or fail. That alone can have a huge psychological effect on people. What happens if you feel you failing a test from god? That would make a person feel weak and insignificant, that could push someone to feel not good enough in the eyes on god and then effect their self worth. It's a lot of pressure on someone to treat their entire life as a test. I really wish people like this could wake up and realise what they are saying.

In anycase all I can say right now, with great certainty is, FUCK THIS SHIT
I just want to live

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Reply #1 - April 08, 2014, 09:56 AM

I was just reading a book on Plato and Socrates, and how the metaphor for the cave that they use is about humanity being restricted by what they can perceive in the cave they live in, and how we can achieve enlightenment by looking beyond the cave. Such a contrast with the Quran, which basically says the darkness of the cave of Islam is enlightenment.

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

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Reply #2 - April 08, 2014, 10:12 AM

Billy I really love what you say
"Such a contrast with the Quran, which basically says the darkness of the cave of Islam is enlightenment."

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Reply #3 - April 08, 2014, 12:03 PM

Oouuu ha Ha!

"Quran basically says the darkness of the cave of Islam is enlightenment." ...............confusedagno

what a statement from confusedagno

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Reply #4 - April 08, 2014, 12:07 PM

lol that was billy yeez

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Reply #5 - April 08, 2014, 12:30 PM

Quote from: confusedagno on April 08, 2014, 12:07 PM
lol that was billy yeez

Hmmm..

well then that guy gets NO CREDIT from me for that., very poor.. very poor statement..

But Surah Kahf has one very important statement in it .,

In fact I would say That is ONLY the statement for which i give a bit of credit to Quran. Otherwise there is absolutely nothing new in it, that one can not find in the "sayings" from Arab Pagans, Jewish folks and Christian folks of that time.

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Reply #6 - April 08, 2014, 12:50 PM

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

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Reply #7 - April 08, 2014, 01:11 PM

Quote from: confusedagno on April 08, 2014, 08:52 AM
I have been seeing these lessons from surah Kahf pop up more and more on my fb page. Now while the story itself is questionable apparently there are a lot of morals people seem to be deriving from this story, such as:

Friday Surah Kahf Reflection:

Surah Al-Kahf is one of the Makkan Surahs and that is why one of its themes is Tawheed. Every aspect of this Surah teaches us a different aspect of Tawheed.

..........., FUCK THIS SHIT ............

Now going to that OP.,

don't do that... Don't step on the shit.. ............whole house will be messy........ infact couple of generations will smell bad.

But confusedagno., why lessons from surah Kahf popping up on your fb page? It means people know that you are stepping on shit, So they are trying to burn surah Kahf incense stick on your face book.

You know inturn what you should do to counter that smell? you burn that bad smelling Stick Surah at-tahrim for them to smell.

Then you can happily drink nice smelling coffee and sleep well without any guilt trip.

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Reply #8 - April 08, 2014, 01:33 PM

We spent an entire semester going through the tafsir of al Kahf. Almost 80-90 % of it was obvious that "scholars" spent considerable time to squeeze out every tiny "wisdom" they could come up with. Most of it was clearly not taught or "understood" during Mo's and the sahaba's time.

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Reply #9 - April 08, 2014, 01:35 PM

I have a book in my home that says that reading Surah Kahaf for 40 days will let you get a djinn if you are brave enough to pass its test ! Of course there was the warning that one should only do so under an expert's guidance, otherwise the results may be disastrous and sometimes fatal. So much for Quran not being a book of magic as the Muslims say. Its funny how they contradict themselves.
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Reply #10 - April 08, 2014, 01:43 PM

Haha that book would be in the book-burning-pile according to my teachers if you asked them. By the way, once during class, when we had the honor having Bilal Philips teaching an aqeedah class, he literally said that certain books should be BURNED. WTF. If I remember correctly, it was the alleged ibn Sireen book on dream interpretations

In my experience, most "shuyookh" who deal with jinn and exorcism usually deal sith some shady magic business that the ultra purist Salafis and wahabis wan't to keep quiet.

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Reply #11 - April 08, 2014, 01:47 PM

Quote from: billy on April 08, 2014, 09:56 AM
I was just reading a book on Plato and Socrates, and how the metaphor for the cave that they use is about humanity being restricted by what they can perceive in the cave they live in, and how we can achieve enlightenment by looking beyond the cave. Such a contrast with the Quran, which basically says the darkness of the cave of Islam is enlightenment.

That is so true. Great quote. I was thinking something very similar recently while looking at the overall philosophy behind suraul-kahf. Essentially, the lesson of the tale of the seven sleepers is that even if you have to completely disengage yourself from society and go into an unconscious, vegetative state in a cave with a dog and 6 other guys, it is better for you than leaving Islam. “So when you have shunned them and all that they worship apart from Allah, take refuge in the cave. Your lord shall shower his mercy upon you…”

This is so depressing. The Qur’an’s idea of Allah “showering his mercy” upon someone is leaving them in a bizarre, comatose state in a dark cave for 3 centuries. “And you would think them awake, while they were asleep. And We turned them to the right and to the left, while their dog stretched his forelegs at the entrance. If you had looked at them, you would have turned from them in flight and been filled by them with terror.” That is put forward as a better alternative to apostasy.
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Reply #12 - April 08, 2014, 01:52 PM

We should all go to a cave if we are in trouble in order to get God's mercy, or to get a good wink .
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Reply #13 - April 08, 2014, 01:55 PM

Quote from: Rubaya on April 08, 2014, 01:35 PM
I have a book in my home that says that reading Surah Kahaf for 40 days will let you get a djinn if you are brave enough to pass its test ! Of course there was the warning that one should only do so under an expert's guidance, otherwise the results may be disastrous and sometimes fatal. So much for Quran not being a book of magic as the Muslims say. Its funny how they contradict themselves.

It's much easier standing in front of a mirror with a candle and reciting the paternoster backwards in Latin. Takes less than an hour. Islam is way too much hard work.
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Reply #14 - April 08, 2014, 02:10 PM

Quote from: Cornflower on April 08, 2014, 01:33 PM
We spent an entire semester going through the tafsir of al Kahf. Almost 80-90 % of it was obvious that "scholars" spent considerable time to squeeze out every tiny "wisdom" they could come up with. Most of it was clearly not taught or "understood" during Mo's and the sahaba's time.

I dunno - with actual scholars, as opposed to "scholars", I would imagine that a class on al Kahf, its connections to antecedent narrative traditions and what its usage of those traditions tells us about the nascent Islamic community at the time of its composition/final recension ( my guess would be during the early Ummayad period ) could be bloody brilliant.
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Reply #15 - April 08, 2014, 02:14 PM

This thread has some interesting discussion regarding the absurdities of Suratul Kahf, among other things: Things Islam has gotten wrong
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Reply #16 - April 08, 2014, 02:21 PM

Quote from: Rubaya on April 08, 2014, 01:35 PM
I have a book in my home that says that reading Surah Kahaf for 40 days will let you get a djinn if you are brave enough to pass its test ! Of course there was the warning that one should only do so under an expert's guidance, otherwise the results may be disastrous and sometimes fatal. So much for Quran not being a book of magic as the Muslims say. Its funny how they contradict themselves.

Think I saw that in an anime.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #18 - April 08, 2014, 02:36 PM

No one else thinks it sounds like a generic anime?

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #19 - April 08, 2014, 02:40 PM

Toss in some ginormous boobs, a harem and a shouju/shonen male lead and yes, the typical supernatural anime

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Reply #20 - April 08, 2014, 02:43 PM

Yes to the first two, I'll decide on the third once someone tells me what that is.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #21 - April 08, 2014, 02:46 PM

Shouju is genre directed towards teenage girls, shonen towards teenage boys. Depending on genre, the male lead will look very different, and act very differently

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Reply #22 - April 08, 2014, 02:51 PM

I'll stick with the big tits.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
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Reply #23 - April 08, 2014, 02:56 PM

Oh, the boobs are mandatory irregardless. But nuff' with the anime talk, I'm not sure I want to give away just how huge of a nerd I really am

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Reply #24 - April 08, 2014, 02:58 PM

Time before last I was skyping with confusedagno I shared some comics with her. Comics are awesome. Would you like some comic books?

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
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Reply #25 - April 08, 2014, 03:05 PM

I'm currently into Seinen manga, but what kind of comics? I like it when the protagonist is borderline villain, like in Threads of Time or Berserk (or Batman *blushes* ). By the way, great mangas. Everyone should read them.

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Reply #26 - April 08, 2014, 03:06 PM

Good comics. I only read good ones.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #27 - April 08, 2014, 03:33 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on April 08, 2014, 01:11 PM

But confusedagno., why lessons from surah Kahf popping up on your fb page? It means people know that you are stepping on shit, So they are trying to burn surah Kahf incense stick on your face book.

i have certain people on Fb that I can not get rid of so have to endure their subtle brainwashing

HM, good insight will have a look at that link

Rubaya, also says reading kahf every friday saves you from the three eye monster

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Reply #28 - April 08, 2014, 04:13 PM

Yes, yes, it protects you from the dajjal. Now, if you want something to laugh about, just read about the dajjal and mehdi and you'll know for certain that Islam is nothing but a mad man's fantasies

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Reply #29 - April 12, 2014, 08:01 AM

I forget this stuff pops up every fucking friday:

Friday Surah Kahf Reflection:
Despite being the leading Prophet of his time, when Musa (AS) heard of a man who had knowledge that he did not have, he set out on a journey to meet that man and learn from him.
This is a primary etiquette of seeking knowledge: To go out in search of it, instead of expecting it to come to you!

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