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OP - April 11, 2014, 08:35 AM

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ask+baba+ali

So I have been a huge fan of this guy as a muslim. As an ex Muslim I still think what he is trying to do is cool but I feel sorry that he is so blinded,

Then THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbDeEvMgQ1k

Which shows how and why he converted to islam I just feel sorry for him, but I guess religion is something he needed to feel value in his life.

What do you guys think of him?
I have also met him and interviewed him, he is a cool guy in general

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Reply #1 - April 11, 2014, 09:52 AM

What is he doing that you think is cool? I've never noticed him before except in passing. Seems like a typical dawahganda peddling convert.

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Reply #2 - April 11, 2014, 10:14 AM

well he is trying to portray islam as a friendly and user friendly religion to the muslims as well which is a good thing, the muslims shouldn't be so hard on themselves he tries to get them to see the lighter side. I think that is a good thing

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Reply #3 - April 11, 2014, 10:29 AM

Exact same feeling. I met him while I was just on the verge of doubting religion and found myself wanting to roll my eyes rather than laugh at his jokes.

As a Muslim though, he made it more breathable for me and my friends, seeing this funny Muslim and all that.
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Reply #4 - April 11, 2014, 10:34 AM

Its nice that he seeks to make Islam more breathable for Muslims, after he's made dawahganda to get converts to a religion that says you can't leave!

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Reply #5 - April 11, 2014, 10:40 AM

Yeah I really can't stand him at this point. He has a video called "that's not hijab" which funny enough, I used to agree with. Now it makes me mad, men telling women how to dress, etc. My values have changed too much since then.
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Reply #6 - April 11, 2014, 10:42 AM

I do not like that video anymore either, I tend to think now what gives these people the right to dictate how people should live their lives, it is nauseating.

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Reply #7 - April 11, 2014, 10:43 AM

These, in essence, nice people who want to make Islam "easier" and not as "constraining" are in major cognitive dissonance mode. But if it makes them happy, I can't really try and take that away from them unless they are willing to listen to my arguments. The problem is, when the CD mode is on, it's sooooooo hard to get through to these people. If you talk about the apostasy laws, misogyny, slavery, rape, murdering, supremacist ideas... they just brush it off and always have some "smart" comeback why it isn't so bad and why it's actually quite a good thing.

I have no hope, unfortunately. People like Majid Nawaaz are an exception. Once you see Islam for what it is, it's easier to just leave it all together. However, since there is such a stigma related to apostasy, and quite frankly extreme danger and misfortune for some, people shy away from the very idea that such a thing is even possible. I know for a fact that I had friends who deep down had the same ideas I had, and who struggled with the same problems, but they chose to turn up the indoctrination instead of facing the hard reality. And these were converts, but who had relationships with deeply devout Muslim partners and several children. It's just so hard, people won't do it. It's easier to live in their little bubble, especially if they aren't forced to face the real life implications of Islamic morality and law. Too bad these women are planning to move to a "Muslim country". Good luck with that, they'll be somewhat fine as long as their husbands don't turn into jerks and make use of every right they have as Muslim males.

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Reply #8 - April 11, 2014, 10:48 AM

Quote from: Jila on April 11, 2014, 10:40 AM
Yeah I really can't stand him at this point. He has a video called "that's not hijab" which funny enough, I used to agree with. Now it makes me mad, men telling women how to dress, etc. My values have changed too much since then.

omg that "that's not hijab" video, I wished I could shove it up his ass. Fuck you, telling someone how to dress "properly". Who made you the fashion police. I always had a problem with the dress code, even though I was kinda strict with it, because nobody bothered how men dressed. So when I read Al Albani's fatwa on Muslim male attire, I was overly joyed. He actually said that men basically should dress in long shirts to their knees etc etc but that few men bother with it (they are sinners). When I was still a devout Muslim, I often had arguments with my ex because he thought about the niqab as fard, and he did grow a beard and wear short pants, but he didn't care about the fact that his awrah (thighs) were exposed wearing jeans and trousers. If you think that those jeans cover your awrah properly, then I as a woman can wear a hijab and pants as well

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Reply #9 - April 11, 2014, 10:51 AM

double standards at it's finest. I'm sick of men dictating women's dress, Muslim or not. It seems inescapable.
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Reply #10 - April 11, 2014, 10:57 AM

Quote from: confusedagno on April 11, 2014, 08:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ask+baba+ali
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Which shows how and why he converted to islam .....................

Well he is a smart guy., trying to make living being comic Muslim., that is OK.,

Question is why is he lying? Was he not born to Muslim parents? do you know where he is from confusedagno? well he may have born in AMRIKA but I am ma sure his parents are immigrants right? Are they from South Africa??

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Reply #11 - April 11, 2014, 10:58 AM

When i met baba Ali he was wearing a fitting t shirt and jeans, and damn that man has a hot muscular body. Well Mr Ali THAT'S NOT HIJAAB

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Reply #12 - April 11, 2014, 10:59 AM

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Well he is a smart guy., trying to make living being comic Muslim., that is OK.,

Question is why is he lying? Was he not born to Muslim parents? do you know where he is from confusedagno? well he may have born in AMRIKA but I am ma sure his parents are immigrants right? Are they from South Africa??

No not South african, not sure from where, he grew up as an athiest with american influence. watch the video the story is actually interesting

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Reply #13 - April 11, 2014, 11:00 AM

Quote from: confusedagno on April 11, 2014, 10:58 AM
When i met baba Ali he was wearing a fitting t shirt and jeans, and damn that man has a hot muscular body. Well Mr Ali THAT'S NOT HIJAAB

Designed t-shirts and Jeans are for Muslim men., Hijabs and Niqabs are for Muslim women..

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Reply #14 - April 11, 2014, 11:18 AM

Quote from: confusedagno on April 11, 2014, 10:59 AM
No not South african, not sure from where, he grew up as an athiest with american influence. watch the video the story is actually interesting

Atheist?? .. I don't think that high school drop out knows how to spell "Atheism" forget being an atheist.. He is a talkative comedian happened to take pot shots at other religions and their nonsense along with selling Islam as the religion for mankind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Ali:
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Comedy style:

In the same style as Comedy Central's Jon Stewart or HBO's Bill Maher, Ali avoids grandstanding and politicizing issues by simply telling it like it is. However, instead of mocking Islam, he uses a comical approach, without using any offensive material. His sharp-witted style takes a realistic look at the everyday issues Muslims are confronted with, including being a Muslim teen in America, attending Muslim weddings, and dealing with cultural issues that have impacted Muslims.

all that is OK to make living, if IT job doesn't pay enough but why do that with that fool on that Islam Channel and why do this
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Ali has appeared on the Islam Channel and he has become a frequent guest at various Muslim conferences and events including the ICNA-MAS convention

And here is ICNA
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............The main objective for ILF is enriching the lives of Muslims in general and Muslim Youth in particular by educating their minds and affecting their hearts with sound knowledge of Islamic Shariah thus deepening their awareness of Islam as a universal and eternal way of living for mankind and providing a new caliber of Muslim leaders.................

That is direct recipe for clash of religious Ideologies ..

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Reply #15 - April 11, 2014, 11:32 AM

http://www.alistandup.com/index.html That is his channel.. he says

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In the same style as Comedy Central's John Stewart or HBO's Bill Maher,

Well I am sure Comedy Central's John Stewart or HBO's Bill Maher jobs are very very safe from the fool I see down here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4jQi0Gjy3M

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Reply #16 - April 11, 2014, 11:40 AM

Quote from: yeezevee on April 11, 2014, 11:18 AM
Atheist?? .. I don't think that high school drop out knows how to spell "Atheism" forget being an atheist..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Ali:all that is OK to make living, if IT job doesn't pay enough but why do that with that fool on that Islam Channel and why do this And here is ICNA
That is direct recipe for clash of religious Ideologies ..

I believe he dropped out of med school not high school
In his interview he says he comes from a science background and saw the science in the quraan, what the hell did he see

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Reply #17 - April 11, 2014, 12:27 PM

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and saw the science in the quraan

*million hand facepalm*

Its amazing how prevalent this dawah lie is though. I genuinely cringe and feel embarassed that in the 21st Century in the West, many Muslims not only believe, but declare out loud this science and Islam dawaganda.

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Reply #18 - April 11, 2014, 12:40 PM

Do you really think they don't believe billy? Maybe they delude themselves into believing...

I can't imagine why someone would passionately propagate something they don't truly believe

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Reply #19 - April 11, 2014, 12:43 PM

yes, there are actually lots of people who believe this, and there are whole dawah organisations who spend lots of time and money pushing it. Its really desperate and embarassing. Its more or less saying 'OK, that's it, we're opting out of the 21st Century", usually dawah lies make me angry, but this makes me exasperated and sad for the minds destroyed by it.

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Reply #20 - April 11, 2014, 12:48 PM

I don't think it's about believing in something that they've rationally and scientifically scrutinized, thus coming to a conclusion beyond reasonable doubt. It's about people looking for a way to prove how it is a "scientific miracle" while ignoring all weak points and arguments. So they believe, but it would all fall apart if an actual unbiased scientist would analyze what the scriptures actually say (both linguistically and in terms of theology like ex-Salafy has done on his blog), and what science can prove to be hard facts.

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Reply #21 - April 11, 2014, 01:06 PM

Quote from: confusedagno on April 11, 2014, 12:40 PM
Do you really think they don't believe billy? Maybe they delude themselves into believing...

I can't imagine why someone would passionately propagate something they don't truly believe

Honestly, confused, I think deluding themselves into believing is the only way some of these guys can still believe. I think there's like a "level of belief" versus "intelligence and research completed" graph that could be plotted where, as their intelligence and research level climbs, their level of belief deceases and, in rational people, it should breach a threshold point where their faith is lost. There's some dawah guys who strike me as being as dumb as a bunch of rocks, and I never question their beliefs. It's the charismatic guys who have their act together (somewhat) like Tzortzis who make me wonder.

I don't know how to explain it, but I still remember that weird feeling I had for the final years where I was in crazy apologist mode, and I wonder if the more intelligent dawah personalities ever get this way. I was trying to fight off the hadith and trying to make the Quran one big metaphor, and trying to justify God to men and to myself, and still "believing it," but somewhere in my mind I knew that, if I allowed myself a moment to stop and to forget all of my social ties and my projects and the years wasted and the stuff riding on my faith, I would have to accept that I had aligned myself with something that was not the truth.

I carried that little understanding in my mind for years, though, and still was able to trick myself into believing. But once I finally gave myself that honest minute, it knocked down all of my faith and reassurances that I had built up for years that were, by then, held together with the intellectual equivalent of scotch tape and elmer's glue. In retrospect, I would call everything I was doing lying. I was lying to other Muslims, I was lying to non-Muslims, and I was lying to myself, and a part of me always knew it.
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Reply #22 - April 11, 2014, 01:10 PM

Quote from: confusedagno on April 11, 2014, 11:40 AM
I believe he dropped out of med school not high school

In his interview he says he comes from a science background and..........................

A drop out from med school who becomes a ISLAMIC comedian ..((NOT A COMEDIAN who happened to be Muslim)) .. has background of science? what science?

The kid who completed 12th grade, may have gone to med school for a year and dropped out it has Science background and developed scientific temperament?

Nonsense..

In recent times, what that fool and every college drop out 18 year old who now preach Islamic dawah on some channels or internet has is this disease., It is called Cognitive dissonance. . In human psychology it is defined as

"Cognitive Dissonance is the excessive mental stress and discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time. This stress and discomfort may also arise within an individual who holds a belief and performs a contradictory action or reaction."

That is what he has., Incidentally many people not only from Islam but from many other religious grounds have this disease., and for some it takes long time to get over it., In Islam it is more problematic because of the reinforcement of Islamic rituals in family, in school, in Mosque, in towns and in some countries whole nation go through these silly rituals..

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Reply #23 - January 08, 2016, 09:50 PM

This is very old but I want to get in my two cents - I never liked him as a Muslim. One video he did was funny enough, but when I watched a couple of others I wasn't impressed. He came across as corny and patronising to me, which isn't anything new from any Muslim who tries to portray themselves as "cool, edgy and geeky" as a superficial front for their propaganda (*cough*Suhaib Webb*cough*).

(I found this thread when I saw that Dawah Man looked like him and went right to Google.)
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