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  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #90 - June 23, 2014, 07:26 PM

    Just the other day, some of my colleagues and I were talking about 'si7r' (magic), both the good and the bad. It's very common practice in Morocco and something we all are familiar with. The others were laughing at how 'ignorant' our parents and grandparents are for believing that someone's saliva could have healing powers. Then they went on talking about 3ayn and seriously discussing how dangerous that was. Inside, I was screaming: 'this is exactly what our parents thought not so long ago! You think their ideas are ridiculous, yet you hold similar beliefs!'

    Ramadhaan is this times a hundred.  finmad


    The future is full of thrilling possibilities.
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #91 - June 23, 2014, 07:28 PM

    Cheesy Was that deliberate or do you honestly not know what "gabby" means in England?


    Even I didn't know that. Never heard of the word gabby before now, gobby yes, gabby no.
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #92 - June 23, 2014, 07:39 PM

    ^^ that is so hard to read after two glasses wine and sounds so funny

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #93 - June 23, 2014, 07:41 PM

    Lightweight.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #94 - June 23, 2014, 07:46 PM

    ye

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #95 - June 23, 2014, 07:46 PM

    but now everythings funny

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #96 - June 23, 2014, 09:14 PM

    I did not know. Well it does fit though...
    In 'Murica you can shorten most people named Gabriel to gabby

    Just like Johnny Flynn said, the breath I've taken and the one I must to go on.
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #97 - June 23, 2014, 09:58 PM

    Joking aside, as you liked my other suggestion, what about this? The child asks why mummy isn't eating, and why you're failing to not eat, and you just word it in a way a child could understand?

    "Me and mummy think the god we believe in doesn't want us to eat in the day time. Why? Well, it's a religion. Like, you know how some people are christians? They believe their god, who is actually our prophet Isa...yes, really, their religion tells them prophet Isa is god, but they call him Jesus. And hindus believe in lots of gods, and they have a party in Autumn. The festival of lights. Hindus call it Diwali, which is a bit like Eid for muslims or Christmas for christians. And they believe this, and they believe that, their god, and their god, etc. Now, just like they believe in the gods of their religion, mummy and I also believe in the god of our religion. And, like I said, we believe that the god wants us to not eat during the daytime. Yes, that's right, there are lots of religions and different people believe different things. Well, no, we can't prove it's true, but that's religion. Religion is believing in things you can't prove for a fact."

    Too on the nose?


    It's good but I may have to water it down some more.
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #98 - June 23, 2014, 10:03 PM

    My kids in a mainly Christian school so explaining that they're religion is different than ours would be expected from us his parents. At the moment he actually actively takes part in the school's little Christian prayers, we're afraid we'd only confuse him or isolate him if we intervened to early, going to wait till he's a little older to expain these things. Poor mixed up kid.
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #99 - June 23, 2014, 10:04 PM

    I think dual nationality still effects it, or I might be wrong, been a while since I looked at the legality of it.  Had to have an added clause to the children's contact rulings in court to prevent it way back when.  Moroccan embassy aren't allowed to issue my children a passport and the british passport agency also aren't allowed to.


    Good point, her country doesn't allow dual passports so that can only go in my favour, I would have thought.
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #100 - June 23, 2014, 10:08 PM

    Jokes aside, anyone know the chronological historical events that led to the month of ramadann.

    I vaguely know it is the month the quraan was revealed and is celebrated, how did fasting come about and why and in what time of the development of Islam did fasting in ramadan become a thing


    I was always under the impression it was just one more thing Mo borrowed from the Juice. As far as i know, may be completely wrong on this but they do a  short 1 day fast so I assumed Mo thought 'I know I'll take it to the max, make it 1 month instead and really test the loyalty of my followers.'
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #101 - June 23, 2014, 10:16 PM

    People should have that on cards.

    "Happy Ramadan!"

    *opens the card*

    "The month I left Islam (ironically)"

    One thing I look forward to is meeting new ex muslims who join CEMB during Ramadan. We had a handfull last year and I'll be dissapointed if we don't get any this year. I like to call them 'Ramadanian's' i.e ex muslims who belong to the 'Ramadanian sect'. I may be wrong but I think Qtian is a member of said sect.
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #102 - June 24, 2014, 03:13 AM

    ^ Haha, I guess I was part of that wave last year. It was the second Ramadan I'd spent at home since apostasizing, and between sneaking food and pretending to pray I got so frustrated that I started searching for groups of ex-Muslims online. Thank Allah for Ramadan, or else I may never have found this place.

    This year I'll be spending the first part of Ramadan away from home, thankfully, but will probably be at home during the last week and a half of it. Not looking forward to it.
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #103 - June 24, 2014, 04:08 AM

    I'M SO EXXCITEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD dance

    Am I the only one who gets excited here?

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #104 - June 24, 2014, 04:42 AM

    I'm probably gonna hide some snacks in my room and eat secretly throughout the day; same as last year. I lost my faith during Ramadan so I should probably celebrate the anniversary of my kufr by doing something haram, lol.  

    One of the few advantages of being female in Islam is not having to go to taraweeh and not having to fast for a week. 
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #105 - June 24, 2014, 04:58 AM

    Regarding the origins of Ramadan I recalled this post from Liberal Muslims United:

    Quote
    RETHINKING THE HISTORY OF RAMADAN
    ==================================
    Ramadan, the ninth month of the Islamic calendar and the rigid observance of thirty days of fasting during the daylight hours, has pagan roots developed in India and the Middle East. The observance of fasting to honor the moon, and ending the fast when the moon’s crescent appears, was practiced with the rituals of the Eastern worshippers of the moon. Both Ibn al-Nadim and the Shahrastani tell us about al-Jandrikinieh, an Indian sect which began to fast when the moon disappeared and ended the fast with a great feast when the crescent reappeared(i)[1].

    The Sabians, who were pagans in the Middle East, were identified with two groups, the Mandaeans and the Harranians. The Mandaeans lived in Iraq during the 2nd century A.D. As they continue to do today, they worshipped multiple gods, or “light personalities.” Their gods were classified under four categories: “first life,” “second life,” “third life” and “fourth life.” Old gods belong to the “first life” category. They summoned deities who, in turn, created “second life” deities, and so forth.

    The other group, considered as Sabians, were the Harranians. They worshipped Sin, the moon, as their main deity, but they also worshipped planets and other deities. The Sabians were in contact with Ahnaf, an Arabian group which Mohammed joined before claiming to be a prophet. Ahnaf sought knowledge by going to Northern Iraq, where there were many communities of Mandaeans. They also went to the city of Harran in the al-Jazirah district in northern Syria on the border between Syria, Iraq and Asia Minor.

    In Mecca, the Ahnaf were called Sabians because of the doctrines they embraced. Later, when Mohammed claimed to be a prophet, he was called a Sabian by the inhabitants of Mecca because they saw him performing many Sabian rites which included praying five times a day; performing several movements in prayer that were identical with the Mandaeans and the Harranians; and making ablution, or ceremonial washing, before each prayer. In the Qur'an, the Sabians “ are people of the book” like the Jews and Christians.

    Ramadan was a pagan ceremony practiced by the Sabians, whether they were Harranians or Sabians. From the writings of Abu Zanad, an Arabic writer from Iraq who lived around 747 A.D., we conclude that at least one Mandaean community located in northern Iraq observed Ramadan[ii][2].

    Although the fasting of Ramadan was practiced in pre-Islamic times by the pagans of Jahiliyah, it was introduced to Arabia by the Harranians. Harran was a city on the border between Syria and Iraq, very close to Asia Minor which, today, is Turkey. Their main deity was the moon, and in the worship of the moon, they conducted a major fast which lasted thirty days. It began the eighth of March and usually finished the eighth of April. Arabic historians, such as Ibn Hazm, identify this fast with Ramadan.[iii][3]

    Ibn al-Nadim wrote in his book, al-Fahrisit, about various religious sects in the Middle East. He says in the month in which the Harranians fasted for thirty days, they honored the god Sin, which is the moon. Al-Nadim described the feasts they celebrated and the sacrifices they presented to the moon.[iv][4] Another historian, Ibn Abi Zinad also speaks about the Harranians, saying that they fast for thirty days, they look toward Yemen when they fast, and they pray five times a day.[v][5] We know that Muslims also pray five times a day. Harranian fasting is also similar to that of Ramadan in Islam in the fact that they fast from before the sun rises until the sunset, just as the Muslims do during the days of Ramadan.[vi][6] Still another historian, Ibn al-Juzi, described the Harranian fasting during this month. He said they concluded their fasting by sacrificing animals and presenting alms to the poor.[vii][7] We also find these things in Islamic fasting today.

    Mythological roots concerning Harran’s celebration of the moon explained the disappearance of the moon after it joined with the star cluster, Pleiades, in the constellation of Taurus. It occurred during the third week of March. The people prayed to the moon, pleading for its return to the city of Harran, but the moon refused to return. This is thought to be the explanation for why they fasted during this month. The moon did not promise to return to Harran, but it did promise to return to Deyr Kadi, a sanctuary near one of the gates of Harran. So after this month, the worshippers of Sin, the moon, went to Deyr Kadi to celebrate and to welcome the return of the moon.[viii][8] According to Ibn al-Nadim, the historian mentioned earlier, the Harranians called the feast al-Feter عيد الفطر , the same name by which the feast of Ramadan is named[ix][9].

    In addition to the feast during Ramadan, the Harranians had five prayers which they repeated day and night. Each had to be preceded by ablutions, which were ceremonial washings.
    • [10] The same system of five prayers each day, preceded by ablutions, was embraced by Mohammed.

    The fasting of Ramadan spread from Harran into Arabia. This may have occurred after the occupation of Nabonidus, the Babylonian king, to the north of Arabia, around the year 552 B.C., during his sojourn in the city of Teima. Nabonidus was from the city of Harran. He was a fanatic worshipper of the moon, Sin, and his mother was a priest of Sin. He disagreed with the priests of Babylonia who considered the god, Marduk, as the chief of the gods of Babylonia. Nabonidus was eager to spread the worship of Sin, the moon, as the main deity. So he left his son in charge of Babylonia and went to live in Teima in North Arabia.

    In pre-Islamic times, Ramadan became a pagan Arabian ritual and was practiced by the pagan Arabians with the same features and characteristics as the Islamic Ramadan.

    Ramadan was known and practiced by the pagan Arabians before Islam. Al-Masudi says that Ramadan received its name because of the warm weather during that month.[xi][11]

    The pagan Arabians in the pre-Islamic Jahiliyah period fasted in the same way Muslims fasted, as originally directed by Mohammed. Pagan Arabian fasting included abstinence from food, water, and sexual contact – the same as practiced by Islam. Their fasting also was done in silence. There was to be no talking, not even for a short period of time such as one day, or a longer period of time of a week or more.[xii][12] The Qur’an points to the same kind of fasting when, in Surah 19, it describes God instructing the Virgin Mary to say that she vowed to fast before God, which also meant she couldn't speak to anyone[xiii][13]. The Arabian practice of keeping silent during the fast noticeably influenced the customs of the Qur’an. We are told that Abu Baker approached a woman among the pagan worshippers in Medina. He found her fasting, included abstinence from speaking.[xiv][14] Fasting was a serious matter for the Arabians, enforced with laws requiring severe penalties for failing to abstain from talking. Ramadan in Islam is a continuation of this kind of fasting.

    It seems that Ramadan was practiced in many cities in North Arabia where Nabonidus, the Harranian king of Babylonia, ruled. One of the cities he occupied was Yathrib, which later became al-Medina. Mohammed imposed Ramadan fasting, as well as the ritual of praying toward Mecca instead of Jerusalem, after he emigrated to al-Medina, whose Arabian tribes used to pray toward Mecca, just as it seems they used to fast during Ramadan.[xv][15] Mohammed adjusted his ceremonies to fit the religious rituals and customs of Oas and Khazraj, the two tribes from al-Medina who backed Mohammed in his wars against the Arabians. One of their ceremonies was a weekly religious feast each Friday. Mohammed made this day the religious day of Islam.

    Traditional practices by current Muslims is not true fasting as intended by the Prophet Mohammed. Since the ritual allows them to eat while it is dark, they simply eat a large meal in the late evening and wake up early in the morning for another big meal. In other words, they simply change the time of their meals from daylight to darkness.

    The hypocrisy continues during Ramadan in the kind of meals that are eaten. Rather than simple meals which Muslims have during the year, arrangements for elaborate meals are made, spending sometimes triple or more money on food during Ramadan than in any other month, totally going against the spirit of fasting and Ramadan.

    In reality, it’s not true fasting, but an excuse for eating extra in the month Muslims claim to be showing restraint, empathy with the poor and self control. Fellowship with God is not based upon arduous or deceptive rituals and practices.

    Extracts and paraphrasing of “RAMADAN AND ITS ROOTS” by Dr. Rafat Amari

    ==========================================
    NOTE: Extracts, narration, paraphrases and replication from multiple sources. Please contact LMU if you require references.
    ==========================================

    REFERENCES:

    (i)[1] Ibn Al Nadim, Al-Fahrisit, page 348

    [ii][2] Abdel Allah ibn Zakwan Abi al-Zanad. See Ibn Qutaybah,op.cit.page 204;Cited by Sinasi Gunduz, The Knowledge of Life, Oxford University, 1994, page 25

    [iii][3] Ibn Hazm, I, page 34; quoted by Sinasi Gunduz, pages 167-168

    [iv][4] Ibn Al-Nadim, Al-Fahrisit, pages 324- 325

    [v][5] Quoted by Rushdi Ilia'n, Al Saebiun Harraniyen Wa Mandaeyn, Bagdad, 1976, page 33

    [vi][6] Quotation from Arabic historians by M.A. Al Hamed, Saebat Harran Wa Ikhwan Al Safa, Damascus, 1998, page 57

    [vii][7] Ibn Al Juzi , Talbis Iblis, prepared by M. Ali, Kher, page 84; Quotation by M.A. Al Hamed, Saebat Harran Wa Ikhwan Al Safa, Damascus, 1998, page 57

    [viii][8] Dodge, B., The Sabians of Harran, page 78

    [ix][9] Ibn Al Nadim, al-Fahrisit, page 319

    • [10] Ibn Al Nadim, al-Fahrisit, page 319
    [xi][11] Masudi, Muruj Al-Thaheb, 2, page 213

    [xii][12] Jawad Ali, al-Mufassal, vi, page 342

    [xiii][13] al-Allusi, Ruh' al-Maani 16; page 56 ; Tafsir al-Tabari, 16, page 56

    [xiv][14] Qastallani Ahmad ibn Muhammed, Irshad al-Sari, 6: 175; Ibn Hagar, al-Isabah 4:315

    [xv][15] Al Masudi, Muruj Al-Thaheb, 2, 295


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  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #106 - June 24, 2014, 08:45 AM

    Thanks for the info Nikolaj, I feel better informed now, so it wasn't Mo just copying the Juice but trying to take it a big step further.

    ^ Haha, I guess I was part of that wave last year.


    Lol Ice, I remember now, yes your a Ramadanian too, that (and your 'cool' user name) are probably the reasons why I took an immediate liking to you, you picked the the best time of the year to come out.  Smiley
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #107 - June 24, 2014, 09:03 AM

    looool: i like the bit 'we are not forced to fast'
    http://muslimvillage.com/2013/07/08/12681/a-ramadan-guide-for-non-muslims/#.U6dFj2O-QEk.facebook

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #108 - June 24, 2014, 02:27 PM

    So ramadaan is comming up, the claws of muslims are getting temporarily sharper.

    How do you guys cope with families and friends over this trying period, it will be my first as a kaffir

    I am so dreading the month of starvation; have to continue the "muslim" charade to keep my mom from flipping over (and blaming her daughter-in-law for my conversion!)
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #109 - June 24, 2014, 02:32 PM

    ...nevermind....

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #110 - June 24, 2014, 02:57 PM

    I'M SO EXXCITEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD dance

    Am I the only one who gets excited here?

    Not me. I grew a strong and healthy coffee addiction over the past year that I am not looking forward to not being able to get my junkie fix.

    Just like Johnny Flynn said, the breath I've taken and the one I must to go on.
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #111 - June 24, 2014, 03:08 PM

    I'M SO EXXCITEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD dance

    Am I the only one who gets excited here?


    I'm with you, Jila!
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #112 - June 24, 2014, 03:18 PM

    @wiselyskeptical
    ah that's the downer, can't make aromatic foods and drinks at home. I'm not looking forward to that part, especially when I don't have an excuse to be out some days. Now that I think about it, I can't even go to shisha during the day without people looking at the hijabi smoking during ramadan!

    I guess I'm really excited about big family gatherings and all that grin12 Having family come over from Iraq last year was the most amazing thing. Lots of late night talking and laughter.

    I'm also glad we don't have that taraweeh stuff that sunnis do, being forced to that every day would SUCK =[

    haha lua what's your excuse!

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #113 - June 24, 2014, 03:22 PM

    I just like holidays!  wacko The one where I can't eat? The one where I can eat too much?! I like 'em all! Except for ones like Columbus Day. Those I can live without.
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #114 - June 24, 2014, 03:25 PM

    @jila granted I do like the atmosphere of Ramadan. I love watching all the funny TV shoes that come on only once a year too dance.
    My uncle, aunt and their son whom I have never met are coming from Scotland and I am looking forward to that too.

    Just like Johnny Flynn said, the breath I've taken and the one I must to go on.
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #115 - June 24, 2014, 03:27 PM

    i like eid,

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #116 - June 24, 2014, 03:29 PM

    Money over everything  yes.

    Just like Johnny Flynn said, the breath I've taken and the one I must to go on.
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #117 - June 24, 2014, 03:38 PM

    exactly, nuf said

    If i still got money for my fasts I'd like ramadaan too

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #118 - June 24, 2014, 03:44 PM

    I miss ramadan food.  My step mum used to whip out all the best recipes that we never got to touch throughout the rest of the year.

    I miss stealing cakes from under the moroccan sofas as we used to pray.

    When we used to bow all the way down to the ground behind my dad as he led the prayers, I always made sure I was to the right, so that my hand could slide under the sofa and steal a cake and shove it into my mouth.  All that mumbling at the end of the prayer for them, was munching sneakily for me. 

    My step mum would always scratch her head in confusion wondering if she had made less cakes than she thought she had.  Grin

    I was 7, or 8 at the time to be fair lol, and I was starving.  Grin

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Ramadhaan fever
     Reply #119 - June 24, 2014, 03:46 PM

    Stealthy stealthy

    Just like Johnny Flynn said, the breath I've taken and the one I must to go on.
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