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  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     OP - May 24, 2014, 03:01 PM
    The pronunciations that I know of are :  "eben", "i-bin", "aben" (Spanish Arabs) and "ibnah".

    Which is the most appropriate to use, in your opinion?

    Thanks.



    *Waits for HM to reply*
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #1 - May 24, 2014, 03:13 PM
    Well, it's a hamzat wasl that is pronounced if it comes at the beginning and merged with the previous letter if it comes in the middle. If it comes in the middle of names in a lineage, it is dropped from written form.

    If it stands at the beginning, it is pronounced and written ibn (ابن), as in ibn 'Abbas.

    If it comes in the middle of two names of a lineage (nasab), it is written بن (bin), but should technically still be pronounced connected to the name prior. I realize this probably makes no sense as I write it, so I'll try to give an example along with some phonetics.

    For example, the name Muhammad bin Rashid should be written محمد بن راشد. Most accurately, it should be pronounced in conjunction with the tanween at the end of Muhammad(un), so "MuhammadunibnuRashidin"

    Unless you are like a real scholar or Arabic grammar nazi, though, no one would ever really say it like that.

    For all practical purposes, the name would be pronounced "Muhammad Bin Rashid."
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #2 - May 24, 2014, 03:16 PM
    Does that make sense? Grin
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #3 - May 24, 2014, 03:17 PM
     I should have clarified that I was talking about "Ibn" standing at the beginning, e.g. "Son of Kathir".
    Thanks for the clarification  Smiley

    Yep I understand now, foreign language structures aren't alien to me but Arabic has always irked me.

    What triggered this question was a YouTube Video where the native Arabic speaker pronounced Ibn in a manner which I didn't understand, but your explanation has solved my problem.

    (Watch from 1:10 - 1:15 if you can)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX-g54S_XD8
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #4 - May 24, 2014, 03:25 PM
    If he said Ibna, it was likely in a mansub state, meaning it was likely in the form of an object maf'ool bih or some other form that could cause a word to take that state. As you likely know, the ending of words change in Arabic depending on what part of speech they take. Either that or the guy was just speaking sloppy Arabic.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #5 - May 24, 2014, 03:29 PM
    Quote from: Qtian on May 24, 2014, 03:17 PM


    (Watch from 1:10 - 1:15 if you can)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX-g54S_XD8



    OK. So he said "Tafseerubnukatheer" which is correct. The hamzat wasl at the beginning of "ibn" here gets merged with the dhamma of the raa in tafseer, so it becomes tafseeru-bnu katheer.

    Basically, a hamzat wasl (ا) always gets merged with the sound of the letter that comes before it. In this case, the correct sound of the R in tafseer is dhamma (u) so the hamzat wasl adopts that sound. It's the same reason we say "Bismillah" and not Bismalllah" Allah has a hamzat wasl at the beginning of his name so it always takes the sound of whatever letter came before it.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #6 - May 24, 2014, 03:35 PM
    Thanks once again, I must depart now grin12
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #7 - May 24, 2014, 03:38 PM
    هذا و صلى الله وسلم على نبينا محمد Grin
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #8 - May 24, 2014, 03:40 PM
    @HM

    You must have an awesome memory if you remember all the nuances of arabic grammer even though you haven't used the language for years.

    Or do you still use arabic (outside of CEMB and ex muslim stuff ) ?

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #9 - May 24, 2014, 03:45 PM
    umm...That kind of stuff is pretty basic. I'm sure there's loads more that I have forgotten, though. I haven't had to speak Arabic in quite some time now.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #10 - May 24, 2014, 03:45 PM
    HM was that a prophetic greeting? My ability to read Arabic atm is very bad, I'm aiming to change this soon.
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #11 - May 24, 2014, 03:48 PM
     Cheesy It's just what Muslim scholars typically say at the end of their talks/lessons. "Such, and may Allah shower his peace and blessings upon our prophet Muhammad." Seemed like the appropriate thing to say at the time. Grin
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #12 - May 24, 2014, 03:58 PM
    I heard that captndisguise the youtube guy who debunks dawah stuff is learning arabic.


    All the power to him but I don't know how he got the willpower to learn a language for the sole purpose of deunking islam. I'd get bored with it in a few hours.


    If I learn a new language it will be French. As part of the curriculm I already learnt it for years but opted out of classes in the beginning of highschool. 

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #13 - May 25, 2014, 04:14 AM
    I love English more than my native tongue Embarrassed. And British English rocks dance! I find no appeal in either French or Spanish.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #14 - May 25, 2014, 05:23 PM
    I love the Arabic language, always have, I am more motivated to learn it now than I ever was as a devout Muslim.
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #15 - May 25, 2014, 06:13 PM
    Quote from: Rubaya on May 25, 2014, 04:14 AM
    I love English more than my native tongue Embarrassed. And British English rocks dance! I find no appeal in either French or Spanish.


    We have so many accents though in the UK, mine isnt too pretty lol

    CF yes arabic is lovely, i also love the foods, shisha bars, the music, the ambeince of it all..  (without the strict islam though)  its the culture that is so appealing and beautiful.. 
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #16 - May 25, 2014, 06:26 PM
    ^RP (Queen's English) is absolutely beautiful. All other accents pale in comparison. I listen to Queen's Christmas message every year just to hear it.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #17 - May 25, 2014, 06:30 PM
    Dafuq
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #18 - May 25, 2014, 06:32 PM
    ^
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2ie4dq4MzQ


    Received Pronunciation
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #19 - May 25, 2014, 06:39 PM
    Fuck the Queen & her speeches.
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #20 - May 25, 2014, 06:43 PM
    I don't know what you're talking about, the Queen rocks. The British people should consider themselves lucky to have a monarch and leader of such class and sophistication.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #21 - May 25, 2014, 07:03 PM
    Lol, I can't be bothered to get into a debate regarding the British monarchy so we can agree to disagree.
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #22 - May 25, 2014, 07:13 PM
    Why do people keep assuming I want to debate? Is it my way of writing?

    I stated I loved Queen's English, and liked the Queen. I have no interest in arguing with people who don't. I'm not even British.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #23 - May 25, 2014, 07:19 PM
    Not sure, I wasn't actually assuming that you want to debate - just stating that I'd prefer to avoid one atm as I'm working.
    (I will generally insinuate a debate if I actually want to have one)
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #24 - May 25, 2014, 07:31 PM
    Fair enough, sorry for assuming that you were assuming that I wanted to debate.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #25 - May 25, 2014, 07:34 PM
    No problem Smiley

    If you have a few minutes spare and would like to spend them in the foetal position, May I suggest this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBs9loMjiQI
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #26 - May 25, 2014, 07:40 PM
    I always thought you were from the UK Descent, where are you from ?  Yep the Queens english is really nice, no one speaks that way musch anymore, i wish they did though, we do have some lovely posh accents here.. My personal favourites of the british isles are where i am from the west of ireland and the scottish accent.. Xxx
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #27 - May 25, 2014, 07:41 PM
    My favourite is the range of dialects you get in London. I have a bias though since I'm from London lol.
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #28 - May 25, 2014, 07:47 PM
    Quote from: suki on May 25, 2014, 07:40 PM
    I always thought you were from the UK Descent, where are you from ?  Yep the Queens english is really nice, no one speaks that way musch anymore, i wish they did though, we do have some lovely posh accents here.. My personal favourites of the british isles are where i am from the west of ireland and the scottish accent.. Xxx


    I'm from India, home to worst English accents you will ever hear. Though, I speak in an accent what you would call General American, with maybe a tinge of Indian-ness about it.
  • How do you pronounce "Ibn" ?
     Reply #29 - May 26, 2014, 06:32 AM
    oh right, OK   Smiley
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