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  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     OP - June 07, 2014, 01:20 PM
    Hi,
    I was born muslim, living in a muslim ruled country, living in a muslim community. Prayed 5 times a day. Basically a good muslim. My parents are religious and have knowledge about Islam. Basically, my background is really Islamic.

    Then I start having questions about Islam. I started to read hadeeth, quran and when I have doubt I would just ask my father. Back then I would just accept his explanation.

    More recently, I asked myself, what makes me believe that Muhammad is a prophet of god. And I don't have answer for that. That time I know I was in trouble. I felt wow! how could I believe without any evidence?! From that point, I need to find evidence for everything. Then I found the scientific evidence in quran. That restored some of my faith for a while.

    Then I figured that to examine Islam, I would just have to read Quran. My faith was so strong that I thought, "I'll just google error in quran, then what I'll find will surely can be easily refuted". Damn I was wrong, there is a long list of errors and internal contradictions. I'm reading the contradictions with open mind so I won't be affected by emotions.

    I did go through the stage of fright of what will happen to me. Am I going to hell? What would my family do if they know? How am I going to pretend to be a muslim for the rest of my life? The first time I skip my 5 prayers, I really feel uneasy and something is wrong. Now, after 1 year, I feel like 5 prayers are just waste of time.

    So, my current status is I'm just looking for the truth. And I'm not a muslim anymore. If Allah want me to be a muslim then he will show me the way. I do pray to god asking for immediate concrete clear evidence that I can't deny and surely accept of his existence. It has been a month now and the prayer has not been answered. If Allah answer my prayer, then I would have been a muslim for sure.

    I also challenge Allah to strike me with lightning without killing me right now if Islam is true. Apparently, nothing happen. So, if Allah want to punish me for disbelieving, then He can blame himself for ignoring my challenge and prayer.

    In the meantime, if I can find ONE concrete irrefutable error in Quran, it is more than enough to destroy Islamic faith.

    Nice to meet all of you!
  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #1 - June 07, 2014, 01:25 PM
    Welcome. Have a parrot. parrot
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #2 - June 07, 2014, 01:36 PM
    haha thanks for the parrot thnkyu
  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #3 - June 07, 2014, 03:25 PM
    Welcome!  parrot

    Stick around here long enough and read some old threads. You're not going to find one error and one contradiction with Islam, but a whole bunch of them. Grin
  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #4 - June 07, 2014, 03:48 PM
    Quote from: lua on June 07, 2014, 03:25 PM
    Welcome!  parrot

    Stick around here long enough and read some old threads. You're not going to find one error and one contradiction with Islam, but a whole bunch of them. Grin

     parrot hahaha i know, but i just need one to convince to muslims that im out for a good reason. if they cant convince me that my reasoning is wrong then they should reevaluate their faith.
  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #5 - June 07, 2014, 03:54 PM
    Hiya and welcome! Parrot? parrot
    turnipovich
  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #6 - June 07, 2014, 03:55 PM
    Quote from: LordZeus on June 07, 2014, 03:48 PM
    parrot hahaha i know, but i just need one to convince to muslims that im out for a good reason. if they cant convince me that my reasoning is wrong then they should reevaluate their faith.

    ^ Should, yes, but unfortunately it almost never works that way. I am married to a Muslim, and when I try to talk to him about these things, sometimes he will get completely stuck and have nothing to say, and even admit that he thinks I am right about problem x or y with Islam, but he will just not let himself take the next step.

    It's not a problem with the inability to see, I think, just the unwillingness to see.  wacko It's better to just know yourself that you are out for the right reasons and doing the right thing, because, trust me, you can drive yourself crazy trying to justify your decisions to other Muslims...But! Either way, this forum will be here for you, everyone's great and always a huge help. Be sure to stick around! yes
  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #7 - June 07, 2014, 05:10 PM
    Quote from: Mia on June 07, 2014, 03:54 PM
    Hiya and welcome! Parrot? parrot

    hi! yes parrot please  yes
    thank you for your warm welcome  thnkyu

    Quote from: lua on June 07, 2014, 03:55 PM
    ^ Should, yes, but unfortunately it almost never works that way. I am married to a Muslim, and when I try to talk to him about these things, sometimes he will get completely stuck and have nothing to say, and even admit that he thinks I am right about problem x or y with Islam, but he will just not let himself take the next step.

    It's not a problem with the inability to see, I think, just the unwillingness to see.  wacko It's better to just know yourself that you are out for the right reasons and doing the right thing, because, trust me, you can drive yourself crazy trying to justify your decisions to other Muslims...But! Either way, this forum will be here for you, everyone's great and always a huge help. Be sure to stick around! yes

    that would be my biggest fear, the unwillingness to see.
    at least i can convince myself without any doubt that islam is not from god.
    it is nice to discuss with like minded people. only my agnostic girlfriend know that im an apostate, my parents know that im still looking for the truth. they believe that i will find the reason to believe in islam when i read the translation of quran and pray to Allah for hidayah. In fact, i read the translation find a lot of problem in it even before the third chapter. and i did pray for hidayah from Allah. my exact prayer is "Dear God, if you are there and you care, please show the clear and concrete evidence for the truth of Islam that I can't and I won't reject and definitely accept. Show me immediately since there is no reason for you to delay it and reject my prayer."

    Apparently God doesn't show me any evidence at all. Thus, he is not there and Islam is not true.

    I wonder what muslims will say if i told them about my prayer.

    It is a great that people here are helpful, rational and really nice. This is home
  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #8 - June 07, 2014, 05:22 PM
    Hi there LordZeus,

    Good to have you here Smiley parrot

    I have in online debates repeatedly challenged more "faithful" (read: outwardly extremist) Muslims to pray for my death and when they refused to do so (because luckily contemporary Muslims by far are way more humane people than their religion) I tried to call down the wrath on Allah on me and strike me dead immediately. Then I'll leave it there and return once in a while telling "I'm still here", "I think God has a problem with his omnipotence", "Honestly I'm a bit disappointed by now :( " and stuff like that. That REALLY seems to annoy them because in the same threads they have often lambasted more "moderate" Muslims for not being Muslim enough and that they should fear Allah Tongue

    I have domestic female friends of immigrant background who label themselves "Muslim" but have no problems with posting pictures of themselves drinking wine and with their non-halal boyfriends and "bastard" children. So Muslims these days are all over the place. I am in Scandinavia though.

    Cheers,
    Nikolaj
    Danish Never-Moose adopted by the kind people on the CEMB-forum
    Ex-Muslim chat (Unaffliated with CEMB). Safari users: Use "#ex-muslims" as the channel name. CEMB chat thread.
  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #9 - June 07, 2014, 05:38 PM
    Quote from: LordZeus on June 07, 2014, 05:10 PM
    I wonder what muslims will say if i told them about my prayer.


    Oh, piece of cake. It's a test! If God came down and smacked you upside the head with proof, that's not a very good test, now is it? Look at Job, that poor sucker had God actively trying to shake his faith! But he persevered and now his rewards are great.

    For me, the next question to ask is always what made the people who were witnesses to insane miracles and angels and burning bushes and all that so much more special and loved than everyone else that they had the easy A handed to them while you're about to be held eternally accountable for your circumstances...but then they're going to say "I dunno, God knows best."   bored0

    Quote from: LordZeus on June 07, 2014, 05:10 PM
    It is a great that people here are helpful, rational and really nice. This is home


     far away hug
  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #10 - June 07, 2014, 06:32 PM
    A while ago I was on the street having a conversation, I made a prayer asking for allah to show me if this was the path he wanted me on, and he answered my prayer.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #11 - June 07, 2014, 06:44 PM
    Welcome, parrots are boring.


     MSinghK bounce ghost Greetings
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #12 - June 07, 2014, 11:47 PM
    Welcome LZ,
    I like your out look, you should enjoy it here, you sound like your going to fit right in. Smiley
  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #13 - June 07, 2014, 11:50 PM
    hello mate, welcome to the forum  Afro
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #14 - June 08, 2014, 01:04 AM
    Ello there!   grin12
    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #15 - June 08, 2014, 09:37 AM
    Welcome!  parrot

    I know the feel of unanswered prayers, bro. I asked Allah to lead me because He leads whomever he wants to lead. Apparently, I wasn't one of them.
    The future is full of thrilling possibilities.
  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #16 - June 08, 2014, 04:26 PM
    Welcome! I definitely agree with Lua. Muslims will tell either that it is a test, or you have been given the answer and there is a seal on your heart and eyes and you cannot see it. How can you argue with that? It's Islamic Logic, irrefutable... to them.
     parrot
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #17 - June 08, 2014, 04:31 PM
    There's nothing worse than being told there's a seal on your heart.. You actually start to believe it   :(

    x
  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #18 - June 08, 2014, 05:15 PM
    Yes, it is a great strategy in Quran. To tell you that if you have doubts, it is because you cannot see the truth, you are deficient, and a god has willed you are not worthy of clear understanding. How damning and manipulative and insulting, a cruel way to keep an individual from sharing their doubts and silencing all dissent and debate, lest you expose yourself as one of those afflicted.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Hello Friendly People of the World
     Reply #19 - June 08, 2014, 05:22 PM
    Its amazing how so many stories are so similar, most of start of with scared doubts, afraid of the possibility that everything we knew to be true simply wasn't so. This grows into an obsession to get more and more information, the more information you have the harder it becomes to defend Islam and slowly but surely that veil of protection we had on our beliefs fall apart.
    It's scary, it's emotional, it's a pain, it will rip you out of your comfort zone, it will make you uneasy and your mind will be all over the place

    But

    It will open your eyes to so many more possibilities, it will open your heart to a less judgmental world, you will see, taste, touch and experience all the things you never thought possible before.

    So whatever path you chose to live with Islam or not, the beauty of it is it's your choice.

    Both paths have pros and cons. The question is, which cons are worth the pros's.

    The stories here are immensely helpful

    Welcome  far away hug
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
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