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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1620 - November 02, 2014, 11:35 AM

    with subtitles, talking about Yazidi slaves

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVISyjFwXAU

    That is so disgusting. I threw up a little in my mouth and then I threw up on Facebook instead for all the Muslims and apologetics on their Timeline to see (most have probablyunfollowed (not unfriended) me though because of my updates).



    The "likes" already on the two posts are from an open Ex-Muslim in the US.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1621 - November 02, 2014, 11:40 AM

    Seen it on fb, great stuff Nikolaj!
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1622 - November 02, 2014, 03:47 PM

    ISIS massacring more Sunnis in Iraq- who don't get any support from Baghdad:

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    Islamic State kills 85 more members of Iraqi tribe


    (Reuters) - Islamic State has executed 85 more members of the Albu Nimr tribe in Iraq, a tribal leader and security official said on Saturday, part of a mass killing campaign launched last week to break local resistance to the group's territorial advances.

    Tribal chief Sheikh Naeem al-Ga'oud told Reuters Islamic State had killed 50 members of Albu Nimr who were fleeing the group in Anbar province on Friday. A further 35 bodies were found in a mass grave, a security official said.

    Islamic State has executed a total of more than 300 tribe members in the past few days, Ga'oud and the official said.

    The sustained bloodshed appears to demonstrate the group's resilience to the U.S. air strikes that have been targeting its fighters in Iraq and Syria.

    Ga'oud said he had repeatedly asked the Shi'ite-led central government in Baghdad for arms but that his pleas were ignored.

    Albu Nimr had held out for weeks under siege by Islamic State, but finally ran low on ammunition, fuel and food.

    Hundreds of tribal fighters withdrew and the tribe fled its main village of Zauiyat albu Nimr, but many were intercepted by the militants who shot them at close range and dumped in mass graves.

    Islamic State's advances have fueled sectarian bombings, kidnappings and shootings which occur almost daily in Iraq, echoing the peak of a civil war in 2006-2007.

    Also on Saturday, a truck bomb killed 13 people at a vegetable market in the town of Yusufiya just south of Baghdad, police and medical sources said.

    In the capital's Doura neighborhood, a bomb killed seven people, including four policemen, security and medical sources said.

    ANBAR SQUEEZED BY MILITANTS

    In Anbar, fighters have encircled a large air base and the vital Haditha dam on the Euphrates. They also control territory ranging from towns on the Syrian border to parts of provincial capital Ramadi and the lush irrigated rural areas near Baghdad.

    Anbar was the main battleground between U.S. Marines and al Qaeda during the "surge" campaign in 2006-2007, when American troops enlisted the help of local tribes, including Albu Nimr.

    Ga'oud said the 50 tribe members were killed near Tharthar Lake near a desert area. They had been traveling on foot when they were intercepted by the Sunni militants.

    He said one managed to escape the carnage and get word to tribal leaders.

    "Forty of the dead were men. Six women and four children were killed while trying to protect their husbands and fathers," said Ga'oud.

    His account was confirmed by Faleh al-Essawi, the chief of the security committee of the Anbar Provincial Council.

    In the other incident, 35 corpses were found on the outskirts of Ramadi. "They were handcuffed and blindfolded. Some were wearing tracksuits and others were wearing dish-dash robes," an eyewitness told Reuters.

    Iraq's Shi'ite Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi wants Sunni tribal leaders to support the Iraqi army against Islamic State, which has threatened to march on Baghdad. But mistrust has undermined efforts to revive an alliance.


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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1623 - November 02, 2014, 06:55 PM

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    Tribal chief Sheikh Naeem al-Ga'oud told Reuters... he had repeatedly asked the Shi'ite-led central government in Baghdad for arms but that his pleas were ignored.

    Albu Nimr had held out for weeks under siege by Islamic State, but finally ran low on ammunition, fuel and food.

    Hundreds of tribal fighters withdrew and the tribe fled its main village of Zauiyat albu Nimr, but many were intercepted by the militants who shot them at close range and dumped in mass graves.


    Anyone who can't understand why ISIS have been able to take Sunni areas with such ease should note the above.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1624 - November 02, 2014, 10:18 PM

    What is this? A war or a fashion shoot?

    I hope they can shoot bullets as well as they can shoot photos.

    They've managed to hold their home town against a force that has greater numbers and heavier weapons. I reckon they can probably shoot better than you can. Tongue

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1625 - November 02, 2014, 10:23 PM

    Anyone who can't understand why ISIS have been able to take Sunni areas with such ease should note the above.

     It makes me livid that they were just left. What do the Shia want? Even more puritanical Sunni Islamic states at their border? Jeez, fucking stupid eejits! I can sense a massive Shia/Sunni war coming on.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1626 - November 03, 2014, 07:12 AM

    You don't get it. Shia were treated like shit under Saddam. They know that if they had to rely on Sunnis saving them, they'd be fucked. Consequently, they don't see why they should put their arses on the line for Sunnis.

    The whole "Iraq" thing is a Western myth that means bugger all to people in the area. Basically, everyone is covering their own arse, which means their own tribe.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1627 - November 03, 2014, 07:40 AM

    You don't get it. Shia were treated like shit under Saddam. They know that if they had to rely on Sunnis saving them, they'd be fucked. Consequently, they don't see why they should put their arses on the line for Sunnis.

    The whole "Iraq" thing is a Western myth that means bugger all to people in the area. Basically, everyone is covering their own arse, which means their own tribe.

     I know this really, just frustrates me a lot! Just see people continually shooting themselves in the foot cause of tribalism and shit.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1628 - November 03, 2014, 07:59 AM

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00s5m7w. Very interesting documentary which shows the issues of Iraq.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1629 - November 03, 2014, 09:13 AM

    You don't get it. Shia were treated like shit under Saddam. They know that if they had to rely on Sunnis saving them, they'd be fucked. Consequently, they don't see why they should put their arses on the line for Sunnis.

    The whole "Iraq" thing is a Western myth that means bugger all to people in the area. Basically, everyone is covering their own arse, which means their own tribe.


    Yet this Sunni tribe threw their lot in with the government as they were asked and at massive risk to themselves. Then they were left to rot by the government.

  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1630 - November 03, 2014, 09:58 AM

    You don't get it. Shia were treated like shit under Saddam. They know that if they had to rely on Sunnis saving them, they'd be fucked. Consequently, they don't see why they should put their arses on the line for Sunnis.

    The whole "Iraq" thing is a Western myth that means bugger all to people in the area. Basically, everyone is covering their own arse, which means their own tribe.

    Actually Shia and Sunni marriages were pretty common in Saddam's Iraq.

    No so anymore.

    The sectarianism we see today is partly because of Saddam's butchering of the Shia uprising - which was called by the US - in 1991 and then they let Saddam Hussein massacre a couple of hundred of thousands of them because the US preferred Saddam's Sunni dictatorship to a Shia controlled area right between Iran and the US allies of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

    It was also then he added "Allahu Akbar" in his own handwriting to the Iraqi flag.

    When ISIL wants to infiltrate an area in Iraq they go in disguised as Iraqi soldiers in the middle of the night, fetch those Sunnis who fought against them in 2006-2007, and executes them.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1631 - November 03, 2014, 10:28 AM

    Interesting Nikolaj
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1632 - November 03, 2014, 12:52 PM

    At islamia school in London (a sunni lead school) l where I was a teacher for 15 years we had a huge Iraqi Shia community on our doorstep and many preferred sending their children to our school rather than alsadiq and alzahra sch just over the road. Shia sunni intermarriage was common and absolutely no problems between us. In those days sectarianism was in the minority and rejected by the vast majority.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1633 - November 03, 2014, 01:00 PM

    I've said this before but the Iraqi Shia kids I taught were amongst the best academically and best behaved and flourished at our school. Never any hint of conflict. (apart from one occasion when I had to stop an imam we had for a while confiscating the Shia children's turba - the stone representing soil from karbala. They were otherwise allowed to use it and were always accommodated and treated well.

    The fact so many prefered our school to the Shia schools over the road speaks volumes.

    Btw our relationship with the school over the road was excellent and we often had football matches and shared activities with them.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1634 - November 03, 2014, 01:04 PM

    At islamia school in London (a sunni lead school) l where I was a teacher for 15 years we had a huge Iraqi Shia community on our doorstep and many preferred sending their children to our school rather than alsadiq and alzahra sch just over the road. Shia sunni intermarriage was common and absolutely no problems between us. In those days sectarianism was in the minority and rejected by the vast majority.

    I've said this before but the Iraqi Shia kids I taught were amongst the best academically and best behaved and flourished at our school. Never any hint of conflict. (apart from one occasion when I had to stop an imam we had for a while confiscating the Shia children's turba - the stone representing soil from karbala. They were otherwise allowed to use it and were always accommodated and treated well.

    The fact so many prefered our school to the Shia schools over the road speaks volumes.

    Btw our relationship with the school over the road was excellent and we often had football matches and shared activities with them.


    The Islamic community will eventually eat itself up unless it respects plurality of opinions within itself. There is no such thing really as a Muslim and there is no such thing as Islam as the diversity is so large. There are only similarities in praxis within groups, they are not however homogenous.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1635 - November 03, 2014, 02:11 PM

    The Islamic community will eventually eat itself up unless it respects plurality of opinions within itself. There is no such thing really as a Muslim and there is no such thing as Islam as the diversity is so large. There are only similarities in praxis within groups, they are not however homogenous.


    Schizo hijack your account?  Tongue

    how fuck works without shit??


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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1636 - November 03, 2014, 02:19 PM

    Schizo hijack your account?  Tongue


    No, maybe a bit of my brain! He has exercised a long non-used bit of my brain that I haven't used since studying A-Level politics!
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1637 - November 03, 2014, 03:17 PM

    https://twitter.com/Dilxazsofi/status/529290694968762368/photo/1

    Wow!
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1638 - November 03, 2014, 05:21 PM

    Schizo hijack your account?  Tongue

    No, maybe a bit of my brain! He has exercised a long non-used bit of my brain that I haven't used since studying A-Level politics!

    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    Let us fire it up!



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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1639 - November 03, 2014, 05:24 PM

    Haha!  Cheesy

    Lovely stuff!
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1640 - November 03, 2014, 06:20 PM

    http://www.vocativ.com/world/isis-2/isis-fighter-interview
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mtj3M_Bb0z8
    Interview by Lindsey Snell, currently in Kobani: https://mobile.twitter.com/LindseySnell
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1641 - November 04, 2014, 10:23 PM

    ISIS and Boko Haram quote quranic verses as a validation for their actions so much of what they do  represents islam. The only religious islamic grounds a muslim can have to counter them are to say those specific quranic verses they use are bogus.

    If muslims can regard hadith that make islam look abhorrent as inauthentic then why can't they regard contemptible verses in the quran (killing/beheading nonbelivers, taking sex slaves)as inauthentic?, especially when those verses are used by isis to behead people and boko haram to take girls as sex slaves in 2014.  Many muslims dismiss all hadith that make islam look bad as inauthentic/fake then why not do the same for all the horrific shit in the quran?

    The only way as a muslim that you can argue against ISIS/Boko Haram actions on an Islamic basis is to say that all the quranic verses they use for barbarity are spurious and not genuine. Dismiss all the verses telling you to fight, kill and behead unbelievers as phony and purely created later by Islamic imperialists for politic/militant reasons. They already disregard any hideous hadith so why not apply this thought process to the quran too especially as the whole first complete written version of the quran(12th century) is long after the written hadith collection(9th-10th century) ? Keep the verses telling you an invisible magician called allah made everything in the world and wants you to believe in him and the 5 pillars but then discard all the hateful verses to non muslims and instructions of violence against them. This may leave them ending up with a quran that's only 30-40 pages long but a pamphlet is better than nothing. lol

    I would say the reason muslims don’t and won’t do this is because currently no Islamic scholar or movement regards any of the quran as erroneous and they would say this exercise would make you a kaffir apostate(which no muslims obviously wouldn't wanna be regarded as), where as it’s quite normalised within some islamic scholars/movements to regard hadith making islam look bad as fake.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1642 - November 05, 2014, 02:38 PM

    That is so disgusting. I threw up a little in my mouth and then I threw up on Facebook instead for all the Muslims and apologetics on their Timeline to see (most have probablyunfollowed (not unfriended) me though because of my updates).


    Lol, that Minna girl is your friend on facebook? What happened to her? She used to be on the British Muslims for Secular Democracy page all the time, did she get banned? Did you post this in that group? If not then maybe I will, it might be interesting to see how the apologists wriggle their way out of this one....
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1643 - November 05, 2014, 03:33 PM

    Tom Holland on the IS morality police:
    http://cda.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/newsreview/features/article1478192.ece
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    Most women, when they have toddlers in tow, tend to keep away from war zones if they possibly can. Unsurprisingly, then, the news that Tareena Shakil, a young woman from Burton-upon-Trent, has headed for Syria and taken her 14-month-old son with her, has been greeted with widespread consternation. “There was no reason to suspect,” her father told journalists. “Tareena did drama and was in the Guides.” Now she and her son are in Raqqa, headquarters of Isis (also known as Islamic State). Their future is unlikely to be pleasant.

    Nevertheless, it is one of the more unsettling aspects of the exodus of impressionable young women from the West to the territory controlled by Isis that they can end up as victimisers as well as victims. Take, for instance, Aqsa Mahmood from Glasgow. Most private-school girls knuckle down to university after their A-levels — but not her. Like Tareena Shakil, she went to Syria.

    There, last year, she is reported to have joined al-Khansaa, an all-female militia operating in Isis territory. Their responsibility, like that of prefects in some hideous parody of Malory Towers, is to police the behaviour of local women, to uphold Isis’s interpretation of sharia (Islamic law) and to punish any uniform infractions.

    Now, when Aqsa Mahmood visits a school, it is she who has the whip-hand. This summer, when two teachers in Raqqa were arrested for wearing skimpy veils, they were each given 30 lashes. Aqsa Mahmood, writing on her blog, could not have been more upfront about the rationale for such brutality: “Being angry for the sake of Allah swt is part of our Islam.”

    There is certainly little trace in her behaviour of the compassion that, according to Muslim belief, is a defining characteristic of the divine. “My mercy,” so God declares in the Koran, “embraces all things” — but not, it would seem, the behaviour of Isis militants towards women.

    Getting beaten for showing a barest glimpse of the face is not the worst thing that can happen under their nightmarish regime. Two weeks ago its propagandists released a video showing a girl accused of adultery being stoned to death. Her father, far from objecting, seemed to participate in the stoning.

    Meanwhile, in towns conquered by Isis, the wives and daughters of men killed by its fighters are openly being sold in slave markets. There are reports of women being raped so often in brothels that they can no longer use the lavatory. Supervision of these brothels, so it is reliably claimed, has been entrusted to the “morality” police of al-Khansaa. Jihadist girl power, of the kind that so enthuses Mahmood, Shakil and others like them who have travelled to Syria from the West, comes at truly terrifying cost to the wretched locals.

    What are the roots of the Isis campaign of persecution against women? It is hardly the first army to have enslaved and raped its way across the Middle East. In antiquity the capture of women was one of the perks of conquering an empire. The Babylonians did it, the Romans did it — and the Arabs did it too.

    Indeed, the markets of the caliphate ended up so glutted with female flesh that Abd al-Malik, one of the first and greatest of the caliphs, could describe the various merits of the merchandise as though evaluating bloodstock. “He who wishes to take a slave girl for pleasure, let him take a Berber; he who wishes to take one as a domestic, let him take a Roman; and he who wishes to take one to produce a child, let him take a Persian,” he sagely advised. Useful tips for Isis to bear in mind, perhaps, should it continue to expand its reach.

    Nevertheless, as in the original caliphate — the example of which Isis is determinedly attempting to follow — policy is sanctioned by scripture as well as by right of conquest. A licence to sleep with “such slaves as God has assigned to you as war booty” was one that Muslim imperialists long felt entitled to enjoy on the say-so of the Koran itself.

    It is this tradition that Isis is self- consciously reviving. Even the defiance that it offers its foes has an antique feel. “We will conquer your Rome,” one of its spokesmen has warned the West, “break your crosses and enslave your women.” For now, though, the particular targets of its operations are the Christians of northern Iraq and the Yazidis: a people unfortunate enough to have been branded by Isis as pagan and therefore, under its grotesque interpretation of sharia, as especially ripe for bondage.

    The enslavement of Christian and Yazidi women, so Isis propagandists have boasted, emulates what happened in the days of Muhammad, provides legal outlets for the needs of single Muslim men and may well, just for good measure, help to usher in the Day of Judgment. Not merely justified, it is a religious obligation.

    So far, so early medieval. Yet there is a sense in which the very literalness of the attempts by Isis to turn the clock back to the 7th century is at the same time strikingly modern. Many aspects of what it is inflicting on its hapless female victims are not timeless features of Islam at all. Stoning does not feature in the Koran as a punishment for adultery; nor, so far as we can tell from the historical record, had it ever been practised by Muslims in Syria until this year.

    As in rabbinical law — from which the early scholars of Islam patently derived the custom — stoning had a symbolic, not a practical, significance. Its revival speaks of a world in which the instruction manual has come to be prized over the book of poetry and Muslim scripture to be interpreted not as an immense compendium of metaphysical subtleties, but as the equivalent of an engineering manual. The result is a tragedy: a brutalised and brutalising form of Islam that threatens not just the wretched women brought under its yoke, but the very future of the religion.

    “I know my position,” wrote Aqsa Mahmood on her blog last month. “I am not a scholar . . . or even a student of knowledge — not even close to it.” Why, then, did she think herself qualified to see in Isis a mirror held up to God’s plans for humanity? That it might be the very opposite, a squalid parody of everything that made the original caliphate a great civilisation, seems never to have crossed her mind.

    As for the rest of us, all we can do is to hope that others like her and Tareena Shakil, before they take the plunge and leave for Syria, will have the eyes to see.

  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1644 - November 06, 2014, 06:02 PM

    http://www.newstatesman.com/2014/10/portsmouth-kobane

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    From Portsmouth to Kobane: the British jihadis fighting for Isis

    What motivates the young men who leave Britain to join the murderous fanatics of Isis in the Middle East? Shiraz Maher spoke to dozens of them inside Syria to find out.

    Mehdi Hassan’s parents learned of their son’s death when a picture of his body was posted on Twitter on 24 October. Hassan was 20 years old and had gone to Syria with four friends from his home town of Portsmouth in September 2013 to join the jihadist group Islamic State (IS, or Isis). His clique became known as the “Pompey lads”. Of the men he travelled with, only one is still fighting: three are dead and another is in prison in the UK. For the past year, I have been in regular contact with the Pompey lads and their fellow British fighters in Syria to try to understand the motivations and mindset of western jihadists.

    One of the first British fighters to join Isis was Ifthekar Jaman. He also grew up in Portsmouth; his parents were Bangladeshi immigrants who ran a takeaway restaurant there. Jaman had attended a private school and had started a job in customer services at Sky. He had seemed well integrated and was popular with his non-Muslim colleagues.

    In May 2013, Jaman told everyone that he was going to learn Arabic in the Middle East but booked a ticket to Turkey instead. He had always intended this to be a one-way journey. By the time anyone learned of his true intentions, he had already slipped into Aleppo and joined IS.

    Jaman was just one of several hundred British fighters who have made the journey, participating in one of the most urgent crises of our generation. The war in Syria has empowered the millenarian radicals of IS, who have revived a self-declared caliphate in the heart of the Middle East. Its leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, runs a “state” that is larger than Lebanon or Israel, with tens of thousands of fighters from at least 90 different countries mobilising in his cause.

    Jaman was part of an initial wave of jihadis who made the journey to Syria with no support, taking huge risks to connect with the fighters there. “I went alone,” he told me when we spoke over Skype. “I didn’t want anyone to come with me because I didn’t know where I’d be sleeping or what I’d be doing. I just thought I’d place my trust in Allah.” Once in Syria, he was among those who helped to establish a more formal and less perilous route for the hundreds of others who later followed from Britain.

    That flow of foreign fighters has worried governments across Europe, from where more than 3,000 people are thought to have travelled to support jihadists in Syria and Iraq. The consequences of this mobilisation have been far-reaching. The Syrian crisis revived the fortunes of the global jihad movement and it has never been stronger. It is better manned, better equipped and better financed than at any other point in the past century. Indeed, despite limited western intervention, the sheer number of IS fighters – many of them foreign – makes it impossible to see how the group will be uprooted any time soon.

    I work at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation (ICSR), an academic research unit at King’s College London, where I co-ordinate a team of colleagues who chart the flow of foreign fighters into Syria. We began by trying to map the opposition – a slippery task, given the constantly shifting kaleidoscope of alliances on the ground. We were aware of foreign fighters but most tended to come from North Africa or the Gulf states and were not of particular significance to the west.

    Then we stumbled across Ifthekar Jaman by chance: a British fighter tweeting about his experiences in Syria. It was a revelatory moment. In the following days, we realised that there were scores of Europeans in Syria, among them a Dane called Abu Fulan and a former Dutch soldier called Yilmaz. We began to focus on these fighters and wanted to interview them about their reasons for going, their world-view and experiences. We sent them a flurry of messages with uneven success. Most were suspicious of our intentions but we managed to establish a dialogue with several of them. Over time, these relationships have matured and more fighters are willing to talk to us now.

    My research has long focused on the development of Salafi-jihadi theology, the ideology driving IS. This background has helped me talk to the fighters in a language they understand, discussing books and literature that they regard as important. Moreover, I grew up in the Middle East (I spent 14 years in the region) and, for a short while, dabbled with extremist Islamic groups. All of this has given me an insight into the radicalisation and motivations of the men I am talking to. All contact has to revolve around their schedule. Whenever they decide to talk, I make myself available, because I never know what information they have.

    Jaman was my first interviewee. It was November 2013 and the weather was miserable as I made my way home from work. He had sent me a message to say that we could do an interview on Skype. This is very rare. Most fighters are happy only to text because of poor internet connections (and, I suspect, their own security concerns).

    Several hours after the time he’d told me to expect him, I gave up. Jaman hadn’t called and it was late. I ordered a curry and resigned myself to Friday-night television. Then he rang and there I was – patched in from London to an IS training camp, somewhere in northern Syria.

    “Assalamu Alaikum, brother,” he said.

    It was exhilarating: the start of a process in which ICSR began building relationships with fighters on the ground. I nibbled on poppadoms and chutney while he explained his motivations for going.

    Jaman had been following events in Syria closely. Although the roots of Syria’s 2011 revolution were secular – the first protests were in response to the arrest of a group of boys for painting anti-government slogans on the walls of their school in Deraa – Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, was quick to portray the uprising as a Sunni insurrection. YouTube clips apparently showing Assad forces torturing dissidents have provoked international condemnation but for Sunni Muslims, there was an additional cause for outrage. Many of the videos were accompanied by sectarian insults; in several, torture victims were forced to say a modified version of the Islamic testament to faith (“There is no God but God”) and declare: “There is no God but Assad.”

    When Assad released hundreds of Islamist prisoners in 2012, they predictably began to frame the uprising as their own. They were supported by radical clerics from North Africa and the Gulf. Mohammed al-Arifi, a Saudi cleric whose father had previously been arrested by the Syrian regime, was among the first to call for jihad against Assad because of perceived insults to Sunni belief.

    Syrian radicals in the diaspora followed.  One of these was Sheikh Adnan Aroor, who had been in exile following the 1982 massacre in Hama, when more than 20,000 demonstrators were killed on the orders of Hafez al-Assad, Bashar’s father. Aroor warned Alawites, the heterodox Shia sect to which the Assads belong, that they would be forced through meat-grinders and fed to street dogs when the Sunnis succeeded in overthrowing the Syrian government.

    “I saw the situation in Syria but people said it was Muslim versus Muslim, it’s not jihad, so I backed off,” Jaman said of these events. That was the message coming from large sections of the British Muslim community, although it has failed to dissuade scores of young men from making the journey to Syria. For Jaman and many others, it was exposure to more extreme opinions online that proved more seductive than the message from their local imams. These fatwas Jaman found on the internet preached, for example, that Shias were not “true Muslims” and should therefore be fought. Jaman became convinced that the Syrian war was a battle over the future of Islam.

    Jaman’s struggles to reconcile the opinions of his local imams and the narratives he read online reveals a broader trend. In many cases, British imams have grown up abroad and have a poor grasp of English. They can’t relate to their younger congregants or offer convincing counter-narratives to the hyper-empowering appeal of IS videos, filled with balaclava-wearing boys in smocks offering the promise of making history. Those drawn towards more radical interpretations of Islam have dismissed older members of their communities as cowards or religious sell-outs.

    It also exposes how the British state is still failing to influence Muslim communities. The previous Labour government contented itself with grand gestures such as wresting control from the extremist cleric Abu Hamza of the once notorious Finsbury Park Mosque in north London – but then watched impotently as it was passed over to the control of people alleged to have links to the Muslim Brotherhood. The current Prime Minister, David Cameron, has launched an inquiry into the Muslim Brotherhood’s activities in Britain and may yet try to curb the group’s influence. The stakes could hardly be higher. There are more British Muslims serving in Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s army today than in our own armed forces.

     

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    When Jaman joined IS, it was not as organised or powerful as it is today. The group was known as the Islamic State of Iraq and Sham (the Levant) – Isis – and had not yet embraced the nihilism for which it has come to be known. Even the leader of its greatest rival, Abu Mohammed al-Jolani of Jabhat al-Nusra, initially downplayed their rivalries. During an interview with al-Jazeera in December 2013, Jolani likened their differences to that of a family dispute; bickering at the dinner table rather than the fratricide it has become.

    Jaman had originally wanted to join Jabhat al-Nusra. The group dominated the first phases of the jihadist campaign against Assad and received much of the early attention from foreign fighters. “I looked around and I saw them raising the black flag everywhere,” Jaman told me, on Skype. “People think it’s the flag of al-Qaeda but, no, it’s the flag of Islam.” The humanitarian suffering may have inspired him to adopt the Syrian cause as his own but ultimately he was attracted to Jabhat al-Nusra’s doctrinaire interpretation of Islamic practice and its aim to establish a caliphate.

    The problem is that Jabhat al-Nusra imposes high barriers to entry for foreigners. They must first be vetted and vouched for by someone already in the organisation in a process known as receiving tazkiyah. The system has worked well for Arabs with links to the group but it has made it more difficult for Europeans wanting to join.

    The vetting procedure wasn’t well known to many of those who made the journey in early 2013. Jaman was unaware of it as he rode the bus to Reyhanli, a dusty border town in Turkey. Everyone is here for one thing: the Bab al-Hawa crossing into Syria.

    Since the uprising, this has become the principal route into rebel-held areas and it was one of the first crossings to be seized by the Free Syrian Army. It has been the umbilical cord of the revolution ever since. The journey to Reyhanli proved fortuitous for Jaman, who was still lacking a plan for how to cross into Syria or what to do once inside. “The Turks are pretty secular so I didn’t see anyone with a beard,” he told me, “but then there was a guy who had one and I thought I should speak to him.” Jaman pulled out a small bottle of attar, an alcohol-free musk oil popular with devout Muslims. “I offered it to everyone on the bus but I made sure I got to him last.”

    “Where are you from?” Jaman asked the man, while rubbing his hands with musk.

    “Halab,” came the reply – the Arabic name for Aleppo.

    The Syrian quickly saw through Jaman’s cover story of wanting to volunteer in refugee camps and asked him outright if he had come for jihad. A few hours later, the two of them jumped the border and Jaman was in the bearded man’s car, on the way to Aleppo. Once inside, the young Briton went straight to a Jabhat al-Nusra recruitment centre, where a Tunisian man with fluent English manned the desk and rejected him. He didn’t have tazkiyah. “I got teary. I was devastated. This is what I’d come for,” Jaman told me.

    Jabhat al-Nusra was the only group Jaman had wanted to join and so he remonstrated with them, at one point telling them to imprison him while they did background checks. By way of compromise, the Tunisian offered to help him join Ahrar al-Sham, another Islamist group that helped to form the Islamic Front. Jaman rejected the offer because Ahrar al-Sham allows its members to smoke – a major sin in his eyes.

    Disillusioned and dejected, he made his way to a coffee shop, where he met an Algerian from IS. “I hadn’t even heard of them at that point,” Jaman said, “but I checked them out and they were great.” IS had fewer reservations about accepting fighters without tazkiyah and vetted him for a fortnight before welcoming him into its ranks. It was a euphoric moment for the Pompey lad. “I thought, wow, I made it in dawlah [IS].”

    ****

    Jaman was an early adopter of social media in Syria and he used it both to share news of his experiences and to keep in contact with those back home. There was a clique of five friends in Portsmouth to whom Jaman had grown particularly close in recent years: his cousin, Asad Uzzaman; Muhammad Hamidur Rahman, a supervisor at Primark; Mamunur Roshid; Mashudur Choudhury; and, finally, Mehdi Hassan. The Pompey lads.

    All were of Bangladeshi ethnic origin and lived within a few streets of each other in rows of anonymous, terraced housing in Portsmouth. In the months before travelling to Syria, they had joined the “Portsmouth Dawah Team”, a street proselytising group that preaches Islam to non-Muslims. Their social media accounts reveal only benign activity: stalls distributing free copies of the Quran, pamphlets explaining the position of Jesus in Islamic scripture. Quite often, they wore T-shirts that asked, “Is life just a game?”

    They were all concerned about the Syrian conflict and were clear about who should win. “Why are Muslims supporting the secularist FSA?” Mehdi Hassan tweeted in November 2012. “We should be supporting the mujahideen who are fighting for Shariah, no to DEMOCRACY!”

    Muhammad Hamidur Rahman expressed similar views. “I hate it when people say these mujahideens r the extremist [sic], at least they are not sitting behind closed doors and watching Islam fade away,” he tweeted.

    Foreign fighters from across the world have harnessed the power of platforms such as Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and Ask.fm to propagate their message. Jaman was among the first to realise their potential. “The reason why I share so much is to show you how it is, the kittens, the landscape, etc, hoping to make you see the beauty of it & come,” he wrote.

    Jaman’s Twitter feed was filled with pictures of quiet moments and the seemingly ordinary: idyllic Syrian landscapes, comfortable living quarters, dispossessed children and fighters cradling stray cats (the latter being a particular favourite among jihadis, spawning several internet memes).

    Skype calls are frequently used by those with personal connections with fighters to finalise plans. Choudhury spoke to Jaman several times before making the trip in October 2013, running through a checklist of what clothing to bring, how much money he should carry and logistics for crossing the border. “Please keep me in your duas [prayers] and help me to get across with all the necessary arrangements,” he asked Jaman.

    Transcripts of these calls were eventually released in court when Choudhury returned to the UK – the only one of the Portsmouth boys to do so. In May, he became the first British citizen to be convicted of terrorism offences relating to Syria and he is currently awaiting sentencing.

    In many ways, Choudhury was an anomaly in the group. He was older than the others and the trial revealed him to be a liar and fantasist, enraptured by the headstrong idealism of men half a generation his juniors. After his business collapsed, Choudhury constructed a series of lies to win the sympathy of his family. These included pretending to have stomach cancer, for which he told family members he needed £35,000 to fund pioneering treatment in Singapore. When the money was raised, he flew to east Asia and treated himself to a luxury holiday, a fast car and prostitutes.

    Everyone was fooled. Jaman had offered to travel out there to help Choudhury recover from his treatment. He maintained the ruse throughout, telling friends that he wanted to participate in jihad because it was the only way to “repay my creator” for giving him “a second chance at life”.

    By travelling to Syria, Choudhury was also abandoning his wife and two children but seemed content to resign them to fate. “I am leaving my wife and kids fisabilillah [in the path of Allah],” he told Jaman.

    “May Allah provide for them,” Jaman replied.

    The men began finalising their plans. “Exciting times ahead,” Choudhury wrote.

    Jaman’s reach extended far beyond Portsmouth. In Manchester, another group of friends – Anil Khalil Raoufi, Mohammad Azzam Javeed and Abu Qaqa (this is his nom de guerre; his real name is unknown) – were being drawn into his orbit. They did not know Jaman personally but were inspired by his accounts of life in Syria.

    The use of the internet by jihadists is hardly new but the manner in which its potential is being harnessed has vastly changed. During the Iraq war, sympathisers of al-Qaeda needed access to password-protected forums, where they could learn about events on the ground. These forums were not easy to find and access was harder to gain. Crucially, most of the conversations were in Arabic, a language alien to most British Muslims.

    Social media has changed all this, empowering individual fighters to become recruiting sergeants in their own right. What makes them so powerful is their sheer ordinariness. Indeed, most fighters tend to stress their unremarkable nature: “There’s nothing special about me,” they might say. “I just decided to come. If I can do it, you can do it.”

    The effect of social media is to normalise the experience, while also motivating and inspiring potential recruits. Perhaps most significant is that the conversation runs two ways. In the past, al-Qaeda would issue unidirectional edicts and vague instructions to followers to “do something” at home. Today, you can talk to fighters directly and have a proper conversation.

    These interactions help prospective fighters overcome lingering fears and emotional barriers. Fighters are asked, for example, how they broke the news to their parents and how their families are coping with their decision. Others ask what living arrangements are like in Syria, or how to cross the border safely.

    Bizarrely, some have even asked whether hair gel is available in the IS stronghold of Raqqa. Lots of practical advice is forthcoming: bring good hiking boots, waterproof clothing and a warm coat; don’t pack radical literature; medicine for an upset stomach is also a good idea; and an iPad is recommended, for keeping in touch with family and inspiring others to make the same journey. (Hair gel, in case you were wondering, is available on the inside.)

    What they saw was enough to move the Manchester boys. Javeed, Raoufi and Qaqa booked tickets to Turkey in September 2013 and headed for the border. The first Jaman knew of their plans was when they contacted him from Antakya, although he couldn’t offer them tazkiyah because they were unknown to him. But there was a way to overcome this and he told them to wait at the border for a few days.

    Plans were already under way for his Portsmouth friends to make the same journey. The boys made their final arrangements, packed their belongings, said their goodbyes and wrote notes for their families. Days before he left for Syria, Mehdi Hassan tweeted, “The true Muslim is always a problem for the kuffar [infidel]. He can never be defeated. He is not afraid of death, torture, imprisonment nor exile.”

    The group had booked themselves on a Thomas Cook flight to a beach resort in Antalya, a cover to get them into Turkey. From there, Reyhanli is just under 500 miles by road. They took circuitous and different routes to the airport. Rahman, Uzzaman and Roshid all took the train to Gatwick from Fratton Station in Portsmouth. Choudhury travelled by car, while Hassan made his way separately from Guildford. Another man – who cannot be named – was rumbled by his parents days earlier and had his passport hidden in a desperate (and successful) attempt to prevent him from going.

    CCTV footage shows the Portsmouth boys meeting at Gatwick Airport and strolling nonchalantly through the terminal with the muted excitement of any other group of holidaymakers – all of them carrying heavy rucksacks, Hassan and Rahman sipping bottles of fizzy pop. Yet, this was to be a one-way trip to join Islamic State, a group that even al-Qaeda has branded as too extreme for its persecution of minorities and its revival of medieval slavery practices.

    A few days later, an accomplice in Portsmouth delivered handwritten notes from the boys to their parents. “By the time you receive this letter, I will already have crossed the border into Syria,” they read. The parents were already aware of Ifthekar Jaman’s journey – it had caused outrage in his home town – but none of them had suspected that their own sons would be following in his footsteps. When they did, the community was deeply divided, with the parents blaming Jaman for radicalising their children.

    Once in Turkey, the Portsmouth boys were instructed to meet and vet the Manchester group. “They had the chance to check us out and watch over us to see if they found our movements suspicious,” Abu Qaqa wrote in his memoir, which he posted online on his blog (it has since been removed). “By Allahs grace [sic] the brothers approved of us and that very next day we made steps towards the borders of Sham.”

    It was an abortive journey, as Turkish border guards stopped the men and turned them back. Jaman then gave them details of a safe house further along the Turkish border and told them to regroup there. The next day, they tried again and, despite another encounter with border guards, were allowed to pass into Syria on foot. The boys walked aimlessly, stopping occasionally to pick tangerines, until a fighter from Ahrar al-Sham gave them refuge and helped them make contact with Jaman. “He jumped out [of the truck] at such speed,” Abu Qaqa recalled, “that he nearly toppled over . . . We were smiling so much the muscles in our face began to hurt!”

    Hundreds of fighters were crossing into Syria around the time when Jaman’s cluster of friends arrived. We contacted as many as we could, hoping to build relationships wherever possible and, in the process, came to classify fighters in different ways.

    There are those who are principally motivated by the region’s human suffering, whom we call missionary jihadis; there are martyrdom seekers, who regard the conflict as a shortcut to paradise; there are those simply seeking adventure, for whom the supposed masculinity of it all has great appeal; and, finally, there are long-standing radicals for whom the conflict represents a chance to have the fight they had been waiting for. These divisions are apparent even within Jaman’s cluster.

    Mehdi Hassan was the adventure seeker. He was the youngest of the Portsmouth boys by several years and displayed a combination of youthful wonder and self-importance as a member of IS. “Will you write a book about me?” he asked. “Send me a copy please . . . address it to the big tent in the Syrian desert.”

    Our interactions were often curt and difficult. He was aggressive and arrogant. I asked him what he thought of the condemnation of IS by al-Qaeda’s leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri. Some of the global jihad movement’s most important theoreticians, such as Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi or Abu Qatada (who was recently deported from the UK to Jordan), have also chastised the group. “They’ve gone soft,” Hassan told me. He reasoned that they had either lost their way or sold out. He was seven years old when Zawahiri helped plan the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

    This cognitive displacement is typical of many of the fighters who dismiss or downplay criticisms from anyone not in Syria. Their thinking is that only those on the ground can understand what is happening inside the country and that much of the story presented in the media is skewed or biased.

    Rahman was different – he craved martyrdom. “Life is for the hereafter,” he wrote online. “So if god has told me to go out and fight, and has promised us victory or martyrdom, then our life is only a small sacrifice . . . The main reason [to fight] is to please our creator by making his religion the highest.”

    Speaking with Rahman was difficult. During our first exchange, he was deeply suspicious of me and recommended that I quit my job in order to join him in Syria. We didn’t talk for several months.

    Then, one day, he resumed contact shortly after IS had swept into Iraq and taken Mosul. Despite his obvious excitement and pride, Rahman painted a sober picture of daily life. “One of the hardest things about being here is the waiting,” he told me. “We are trying to build a state. This is why a lot of ribat [guard duty] is required, so the area is secure.”

    The downtime is something that a lot of foreign fighters complain about. The reality on the ground is a world away from the glamour of well-produced recruitment videos. Boredom is not just confined to those in IS. Foreign fighters with Jabhat al-Nusra and lesser-known, independent groups complain of the same thing.

    At the same time, however, many use the phrase “five-star jihad” to describe their living arrangements on the camps. Some have taken to posting pictures of themselves online, posing with chocolate bars or jars of Nutella to prove that they can still access their home comforts on the Syrian front line.

    A callousness towards the concerns of ordinary Syrians had also crept into the attitude of these fighters – the constituency in whose defence they once claimed to be acting. When asked what he thought of those Syrians who opposed Islamic State, Rahman conceded, “There are a number of them that dislike us. However, the lands belong to Allah’s [sic] not them. Also I [came] here to please my creator and not them.”

    Other British fighters have displayed a similar attitude. One of them tweeted a picture of three captured Syrians with the caption, “Got these criminals today. Inshallah [God willing] will be killed tomorrow. Can’t wait for that feeling when u just killed some1 [sic].” Elsewhere, British fighters have been filmed executing prisoners of war and beheading rebels. Some have been pictured posing with severed heads. It is striking that not one of the jihadists we have spoken to have expressed concern at the ill-treatment of their enemies by fellow fighters. Beheadings are not seen as particularly cruel and victims are always dismissed as spies or traitors.

    In recent months, British fighters have also been associated with the executions of western journalists and aid workers being held by IS. All of the fighters we speak to deny having any knowledge of those involved but most are broadly supportive of what they are doing. Only a handful have condemned the executions as wrong.

    Islamic State’s decision to execute western hostages highlights another aspect of this conflict: our involvement. As the US prepared to intervene militarily, it provoked two very different reactions in foreign fighters. In one case, a group contacted me to say that they wanted to leave Syria. “People want to come back,” one British fighter told me, “not to attack but cos [sic] they found out jihad is not what they thought.”

    He expressed disillusionment at the infighting among rebel groups, the lack of focus on removing Assad and Islamic State’s apparent goading of the US into confrontation. “I didn’t come for that,” the fighter said.

    Others, however, have adopted a much more aggressive posture. One fighter I speak with regularly – and who I have come to regard as among the more thoughtful – has been radicalised by American intervention (he asked that I withhold his nom de guerre). Much of the old rhetoric that we were used to hearing in the aftermath of the Iraq war has returned: that the US is waging a war on Islam itself, not just on Islamist terrorism. What is most significant about this fighter’s animosity is that he is not a member of Islamic State and is allied with groups that have fought it in the past.

    One of the unintended consequences of Barack Obama’s campaign has been the manner in which it has brought some of the various Syrian factions closer together. While this British fighter previously condemned those who wanted to attack the west and was critical of Islamic State’s decision to execute western hostages, he warns of reprisals back home. “An eye for an eye,” he told me.

    “Muslims must defend Islam to the best of our ability,” he continued. “If the west wants to be free from such reprisals, they should back out [and] end the strikes.”

    Western intervention has accelerated the rate at which foreign fighters are now dying in this conflict. At least four British fighters are known to have been killed by American air raids already while, overall, one British citizen dies every three weeks in Syria.

     

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    Rahman was directly engaged in the persecution of ordinary Syrians when he was killed in July 2014. Locals from the Shaitat tribe in the eastern province of Deir ez-Zor began rebelling against IS rule, forcing the group to withdraw from three towns: Abu Hamam, Kashkiyeh and Ghranij.

    IS pushed back aggressively against the tribesmen, massacring 700 locals in the process. The Washington Post has described it as “the bloodiest single atrocity committed by the Islamic State in Syria since it declared its existence 18 months ago”. Several members of the Portsmouth cluster were involved in the campaign against Shaitat and Rahman died.

    Roshid and Hassan were both killed earlier this month while fighting in the battle for Kobane. It is unclear exactly how they died, although Hassan reported seeing “between 20-40” air strikes from American fighter jets a few days before his death.

    The first to die, however, was Ifthekar Jaman, who was killed last December in Ghazwa al-Khair, in a major IS offensive against Assad’s forces in Deir ez-Zor. Two months later, Anil Raoufi was killed while fighting the Free Syrian Army in Azaz. He is the only member of the Manchester cluster to have died.

    The network of fighters taken to Syria by Jaman is one of the best known in foreign fighter circles today. The group became minor celebrities after Jaman gave a Skype interview to the BBC in November 2013 from inside his IS training camp. Several foreign fighters have told me that they were directly inspired by that interview and it has been such a successful recruiting tool for IS that the group has even used it in its own propaganda videos.

     

    ****

    The stories of the Portsmouth and Manchester boys offer a remarkable insight into the world of foreign fighters in Syria and Iraq. They also reveal the deep chasms within British society. Second- and third-generation immigrants of Muslim Asian  origin continue to feel a profound detachment not just from the country in which they were born and educated but from their own families and communities, too. Many of their local leaders are too old to counter the charisma of millenarian propaganda and their experiences are too remote from those of their congregants.

    Their stories remind us how powerful social media can be. In October, officials from the European Union and the UK government convened meetings with the heads of social media sites including Facebook, Twitter and YouTube. They asked them to take a more proactive approach to closing down jihadist accounts. Yet it is no easy task: close down one account and another pops up minutes later. Remove a message from one platform and it will reappear on another. All of the Portsmouth and Manchester boys have had their social media  accounts shut down at different times.

    Together with hundreds of other foreign fighters, the Pompey and Manchester boys have set in motion a process that is impossible to stop. A few weeks before his death, Anil Raoufi commented on a huge social media campaign surrounding Jaman’s death. Dozens of pictures turned up online eulogising him, often accompanied by inspirational quotes from the Quran, his statements or other motivational remarks. “Lol, he’s becoming famous,” Raoufi wrote, “and still inspiring others to come for jihad.”

    Shiraz Maher, a regular New Statesman contributor, is a senior fellow at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation (ICSR) at King’s College London and an adjunct at Johns Hopkins University in the United States


    Apparently some are members of iERA according to @RazaSaab

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    Oh look, some of IERAs "Is Life Just A Game" guys went on to join ISIS. Didn't @HATzortzis teach them NOT to do that? http://www.newstatesman.com/2014/10/portsmouth-kobane


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     Reply #1645 - November 07, 2014, 11:01 AM

    Indian Hindus (!) going to Karbala to defend the shrine of Imam Hussein:

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    Hindu Muslim Unity: Hindus & Muslims travel to Iraq to protect Imam Hussain shrine

    MUMBAI: 125 Hindus, in addition to thousands of Shias and Sunnis, have registered their names to travel to Karbala, Iraq to defend the holy shrine of Imam Hussain, the grandson of Prophet Muhammad from the anticipated attack by the extremist group ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria), which has unleashed a reign of terror on the predominantly Shia Iraq.

    One of the most important events in early Muslim history was the battle of Karbala fought in 680 CE in which Imam Hussain, grandson of the Prophet through his daughter Fatima  al-Zahra and her husband Imam Ali, was slaughtered along with a small band of disciples in a bloody battle against the tyrant Caliph Yazid. This event occurred in the Islamic month of Muharram, and it is for this reason that this month is observed with great solemnity in many parts of the Muslim world.

    Prof. Yoginder Sikand, a former Professor of Islamic Theology, Jamia Hamdard, New Delhi writes, “What is particularly striking about the observances of the month of Muharram in large parts of India is the prominent participation of Hindus in the ritual mourning. In several towns and villages, Hindus join Muslims in lamenting the death of Hussain, by sponsoring or taking part in lamentation rituals and tazia processions. In Lucknow, seat of the Shia nawabs of Awadh, prominent Hindu noblemen like Raja Tikait Rai and Raja Bilas Rai built Imambaras to house alams, standards representing the Karbala event. The Hindu Lambadi community in Andhra Pradesh have their own genre of Muharram lamentation songs in Telugu.”


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     Reply #1646 - November 07, 2014, 11:58 AM

    Oh boy, that will just fuel Salafi conspiracy theories and hatred. They'll see it as all the forces of evil, of shirk, of shaytan and the alliance of crusaders and Jews blah blah... are determined to stop "true Islam" from flourishing. 
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1647 - November 07, 2014, 12:11 PM

    Any chance of people not copy-and-pasting long articles into this thread?

    A brief summary and personal opinion is more interesting, and the articles themselves read more easily on links (black-background Goth sites excepted).
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1648 - November 07, 2014, 12:42 PM

    Lol, that Minna girl is your friend on facebook? What happened to her? She used to be on the British Muslims for Secular Democracy page all the time, did she get banned? Did you post this in that group? If not then maybe I will, it might be interesting to see how the apologists wriggle their way out of this one....


    Shaaz threw me out of the BMSD group for my blatant Racism. That guy has temper Tongue We are still friends on Facebook though. I sometimes lurk but I don't care to apply for membership again as it is circle-jerking and I am using WAY too much time debating on Facebook already.

    Minna is a Finnish convert to Islam living in the UK and she has the gift of faith Tongue She might have been thrown out of BMSD as well because of her tooth-and-nail apologetic fundamentalist views.

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     Reply #1649 - November 08, 2014, 10:06 PM

    #i wonder how true this report is and, if it is, how it affects ISIS.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/11/08/Reports-ISIS-leader-critically-wounded-in-air-strike.html

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