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  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     OP - June 12, 2014, 03:46 PM
    So, I was thinking about this today as I considered how active I felt as a member of the Muslim community. There were always activities going on and there were always people with whom to engage.

    As I've been out of that for several years now, I realize the absence of that sort of activity in my life. It's generally a good thing and I'm not interested in a "mosque" for unbelievers.

    However, as I've engaged with so many ex-Muslims on line, I realize that the virtual social trend might just be the new reality. We do online what other groups and organizations do in person.

    But let's say there were a brick and mortar establishment dedicated to the ex-Muslim cause. What might its functions be? What services might it provide?

    I know all the reasons why this would be a difficult thing to do, but that is not what I am concerned with right now.

    If there were an ex-Muslim building, what practical services or activities might be offered there? This is more for the purpose of brainstorming and idea streaming than anything else.
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #1 - June 12, 2014, 03:49 PM
    umm I think CEMB has a brick and mortar office .   The actual organization not the forum  So this forum aside the CEMB counts as one right ?


    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #2 - June 12, 2014, 03:53 PM
    Good question...all I know is that we could get a physical chess board for asbie.
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #3 - June 12, 2014, 03:55 PM
    It's says a lot that my first thoughts were about providing a bed and helplines.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #4 - June 12, 2014, 03:57 PM
    Quote from: TheDarkRebel on June 12, 2014, 03:49 PM
    umm I think CEMB has a brick and mortar office .   The actual organization not the forum  So this forum aside the CEMB counts as one right ?





    I was thinking less of an office and more of a "center," if you will. I have no idea what the CEMB office looks like or does, but I'm thinking more of a place for people to come if they needed something or just to meet up. Like a RL version of this forum. And yes, I'm thinking mainly of North America, but it could happen anywhere.

    Again, I understand concerns about security, funding, etc, but in theory, what services might be provided?

    Assistance with temporary housing?

    Assistance for people in fear for their safety?

    Help with food/clothing/basic needs?

    Sports and games?

    Gatherings and outings?

    A place to "chill?"

    I know there are lots of other places to provide these services, but just as many Muslims would be comfortable going to a mosque first for help, I wonder how many ex-Muslims might be more comfortable dealing with people they can "relate" with.
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #5 - June 12, 2014, 04:03 PM
    Needless to say, it would serve as support for people to meet each other. Perhaps practical help and support for people needing a place to hide or get up on their feet if they are shunned by their family.

    But it could also be a great place for people to build up their social life, or for those who already have a rich social life but also want to meet up with people who have similar experiences to share and talk with. Like outings, camping trips, meeting place to take a coffee or whatever its "members" would be interested in.

    PS saw that hm already said the same things I said, but I'm gonna post it anyway Smiley
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #6 - June 12, 2014, 04:05 PM
    definitely sporting games!!!

    I'd be harrassing asbie to come play chess 24/7 grin12
    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #7 - June 12, 2014, 04:16 PM
    There could be a shelter. FSM knows some vulnerable members of our community could have used it over the years.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #8 - June 12, 2014, 04:19 PM
    Quote from: happymurtad on June 12, 2014, 03:57 PM
    I was thinking less of an office and more of a "center," if you will. I have no idea what the CEMB office looks like or does, but I'm thinking more of a place for people to come if they needed something or just to meet up. Like a RL version of this forum. And yes, I'm thinking mainly of North America, but it could happen anywhere.

    Again, I understand concerns about security, funding, etc, but in theory, what services might be provided?

    Assistance with temporary housing?

    Assistance for people in fear for their safety?

    Help with food/clothing/basic needs?

    Sports and games?

    Gatherings and outings?

    A place to "chill?"

    I know there are lots of other places to provide these services, but just as many Muslims would be comfortable going to a mosque first for help, I wonder how many ex-Muslims might be more comfortable dealing with people they can "relate" with.


    Could be all of these, or maybe just focus on a few of these functions. I do think its more likely to find use in Britain first, with more concentrated ex-muslim communities but I could be wrong.

    It would definitely be a worthwhile endeavor to try and set up one of these things.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #9 - June 12, 2014, 04:32 PM
    Quote from: Jila on June 12, 2014, 04:05 PM
    I'd be harrassing asbie to come play chess 24/7 grin12


    You don't need to harass me. Click the link in my sig!  Wink
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #10 - June 12, 2014, 04:38 PM
    I cant see any chess link..
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #11 - June 12, 2014, 04:49 PM
    Mental health services

    Legal counsel
    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #12 - June 12, 2014, 05:01 PM
    Quote from: suki on June 12, 2014, 04:38 PM
    I cant see any chess link..

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?action=chess
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #13 - June 12, 2014, 05:05 PM
    Quote from: Luthiel on June 12, 2014, 04:49 PM
    Mental health services

    Legal counsel


    Those are good ones.

    Having a venue for occasional lectures or debates with guest speakers could be another function. The security issue is such a frustrating one, though. I know I said not to focus on challenges as such right now, but security does pose such a huge obstacle when you think of gathering people like that.

  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #14 - June 12, 2014, 05:09 PM
    Security will always be a problem. You do your best but realistically if someone is determined to slip through, you aren't going to get them every time.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #15 - June 12, 2014, 05:13 PM
    Yeah. Anyhow, what else? I like CF's idea of a coffee lounge. Essentially a place for people to come and talk, study, get support, that sort of thing.

    In my area, a Muslim guy owns this hip cafe and it was where all the "brothers" would meet to discuss issues and events. Obviously it would only really work in an area with a higher concentration of ex-Muslims.
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #16 - June 12, 2014, 05:25 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on June 12, 2014, 05:01 PM
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?action=chess


    Thanks Quod..   i cant play chess anyway  : )  x


    yeah security would be a big problem..
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #17 - June 12, 2014, 06:15 PM
    Quote from: happymurtad on June 12, 2014, 03:46 PM
    What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?

    Bombing target? poof
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #18 - June 12, 2014, 10:27 PM
    Quote from: Kodanshi on June 12, 2014, 06:15 PM
    Bombing target? poof


     015  Grin


    I think some sort of support service would be of paramount importance - place to stay, funds, counselling, legal advice and helping put people in touch with government organisations etc.
    Then it could provide access to social stuff like cafes and clubs to meetup and network with other people.
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #19 - June 12, 2014, 10:44 PM
    Emphatic yes to everyone who said legal support.

    Some sort of legal help offered would be amazing, it reminds me of this woman who had her kids kidnapped by the father to KSA many many years ago. She now has a little organization that offers legal support to women who are in similar situations. They are apparently available to testify to the unique situations that come along with Islam for things like custody disputes, and also they offer advice and resources for someone who needs to use Islamic justifications abroad.

    I think especially in countries where the understanding of the issues of women and apostates under Islam, this would be incredibly useful.
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #20 - June 13, 2014, 06:32 AM
    I think practical support is the main thing I imagine when I think of a building dedicated to ex muslims.  

    But I always worry that it just wouldn't be safe.  If it existed it would have to be non-descriptive and discreet.  Women's refuges for instance have no direct mailing address, and no one is really allowed to know the exact location except the people who work there, the police, and those who flee there.

    The local community usually knows that there is a refuge on such and such street, but that is fine because a women's refuge isn't a bomb target, and an abused woman doesn't get housed in the local refuge, so the community knowing it exists doesn't matter.

    An ex muslim building couldn't even be known by the local community to exist, because it would always remain a target.

    It's so frustrating to have so many fears over it, because it would be such an awesome thing for us.

    In the mean time though, roll on the years in which we can go virtual reality, and hang out drinking fake coffee online.   parrot
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #21 - June 13, 2014, 06:52 AM
    Yep, my mum and my siblings once lived in a womens refuge for a while, it was an unmarked building with no numbers but still the husbands managed to find the house, break in and do their thing  :/    I don't know how apostates could even have a real organization, may aswell have a target as the logo :/
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #22 - June 13, 2014, 06:55 AM
    I would also like to see some workshops/courses in 'soft skills' like being more assertive or setting goals or something like that. Things people usually do in groups to learn how to help themselves be more self-reliant (if thats a word.)

    We can always try to get a building in the basement of a mosque  grin12  good luck bombing that.
    The future is full of thrilling possibilities.
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #23 - June 13, 2014, 07:24 AM
    Quote from: suki on June 13, 2014, 06:52 AM
    Yep, my mum and my siblings once lived in a womens refuge for a while, it was an unmarked building with no numbers but still the husbands managed to find the house, break in and do their thing  :/    I don't know how apostates could even have a real organization, may aswell have a target as the logo :/


    Yea, see, even in that sort of situation it can still go wrong. 

    It's so fucked up.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #24 - June 13, 2014, 10:59 AM
    for social events, just meet up down the pub.
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #25 - June 13, 2014, 11:33 AM
    Quote from: Tonyt on June 13, 2014, 10:59 AM
    for social events, just meet up down the pub.

    Very good idea, even for more serious stuff.

    My old housing co-operative used to have its meetings in (slightly seedy) pubs. The landlord will often let you have a private room for free if you buy enough drinks to make it worth his while.
  • What benefits could a brick & mortar ex-Muslim facility provide?
     Reply #26 - June 14, 2014, 05:43 PM
    I think meetup groups are enough :/
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