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  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain
     OP - June 21, 2014, 07:10 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtDB6hVNkEk

    Radical Sunni Islamists face jail for attack on group of Shi'ites 'in first case of Muslim sectarian violence in Britain'

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    Violence broke out during protest organised by preacher Anjem Choudary
    Two men were beaten with placards and sticks during event in London

    Ginger-haired Jordan Horner, 20, attacked man after calling him a 'kaffir'
    Other Sunni members Mohammed Almagir, 34, Mirza Ali, 38, Mohad Uddin, 36, and Kamran Khan, 29, joined in, shouting 'Shias are the enemy within'
    Horner, Ali, Almagir and Uddin guilty of violent disorder, and Khan of affray
    Group all due to be sentenced at the Old Bailey tomorrow


    Radical Sunni Muslims are facing jail for attacking a group of Shi’ites in what is believed to be the first case of Muslim sectarian violence on the streets of Britain.

    Violence broke out on London’s Edgware Road, a well-known Shia area, on May 10 last year during a protest organised by radical preacher Anjem Choudary calling for jihad in Syria.

    Two men were beaten to the ground with placards and wooden sticks. One was so badly injured he had blood streaming down his face after being kicked in the head as he lay helpless on the floor.

    Ginger-haired Jordan Horner, 20, part of the Sunni sect, attacked a man after calling him a 'kaffir', or non-believer.

    Other members of the Sunni group including Mohammed Almagir, 34, Mirza Ali, 38, Mohad Uddin, 36, and Kamran Khan, 29, also joined in.

    Alex Chalk, prosecuting, told the Old Bailey that the group were shouting 'Shias are kaffirs. They are the enemy within. They are evil' as they carried out the attack.

    He said: 'This is a case about sectarian violence in west London.

    'On Friday May 10, 2013, these defendants attended an unauthorised anti-Shia march advertised on Twitter.

    'The protestors, several of whom were carrying banners bearing inflammatory anti-Shia slogans, passed along Edgware Road - an area well known for its established Shia community.

    'They were carrying placards calling for jihad in Syria and were publicising their intention to march to the Syrian Embassy.

    'Shortly after the marchers turned around at the Marble Arch end and retraced their steps northwards, violence broke out.

    'Two men were assaulted with fists and flagpoles. One was beaten on the ground, and the other, Fahad Fahad, was left with blood streaming from a wound to his head.'

    The violence broke out while Anjem Choudhary was being interviewed on camera by a journalist.

    The court heard a group of up to 50 protestors congregated outside London Central Mosque after the conclusion of Friday prayers at 2pm.

    That afternoon Mohammed El-Hariri, a Shia Muslim who has run a business in the area for 12 years, was walking along Edgware Road on his way to meet his friend, Fahad Fahad.

    He noticed a large group dressed in Islamic salaffi dress.

    They were protesting against Shia Muslims, chanting sectarian slogans and carrying inflammatory banners.

    The banners were in Arabic and contained phrases including ‘Shias are unbelievers’ and ‘Shia will destroy Islam and Muslims.’

    Other banners condemned Alawites, the Shia denomination of the Syrian leader, Bashar Al-Assad.

    Mr El-Hariri started to talk to one of the group of protesters - in particular Horner, who he described as a white male with a shaved head and a ginger beard.

    As he did so he was attacked while another man poured water on him. He was then punched repeatedly by other members of the group.

    His friend Mr Fahad was hit with a flagpole and kicked in the face, head and arms.

    As he was set upon Mr Fahad could hear his attackers saying: 'This is what is going to happen to all Shia.'

    Mr Chalk said: 'Mr Fahad feared for his life, until he was dragged to safety. He was covered in blood.'

    Horner, Ali, Almagir and Uddin were convicted of violent disorder, and Kamran Khan was convicted of affray over the incident.

    They are due to be sentenced tomorrow at the Old Bailey.

    Uddin and Khan will also be sentenced, along with eight others, for their part in an attack on a white man in Oxford street on May 18 last year.

    On that occasion the victim, Andrew White, was attacked with a hospital crutch before being kicked and punched to the ground.

    Postman Khan faces a separate charge of stealing mail for which he will also be dealt with by Judge Paul Worsley QC.


    These are the idiots in question.










    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain'
     Reply #1 - June 21, 2014, 07:17 PM

    Wait. Since when is the Edgware road a well-known Shia area?
  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain'
     Reply #2 - June 21, 2014, 07:21 PM

    You know what toor, I was just about to say that too.   Cheesy


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain'
     Reply #3 - June 21, 2014, 07:30 PM

    I'm just cracking up at the pics, especially the first two and the last.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain
     Reply #4 - June 22, 2014, 04:34 AM

    The bloke in the first pic looks like a fucking Teletubby. Cheesy

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain
     Reply #5 - June 22, 2014, 05:53 AM

    What about the one in the second. The look on his face and the weirdness with the beard... Cheesy

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain
     Reply #6 - June 22, 2014, 01:30 PM



    Some guys have handlebar moustaches, this guy has a handlebar beard..
  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain
     Reply #7 - June 22, 2014, 03:32 PM

    ^ I know this guy lol, al muhajiroon and the ginger teletubby  : )
  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain
     Reply #8 - June 22, 2014, 03:34 PM

    A teletubby lmaoo Cheesy


    Islam is a peaceful religion.
  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain
     Reply #9 - June 22, 2014, 03:41 PM

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Some guys have handlebar moustaches, this guy has a handlebar beard..

    Moses aint got nothing on this split Cheesy

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain
     Reply #10 - June 22, 2014, 04:02 PM

    Looking at the video, these guys have the most bizarre fashion sense ever. Who dresses like that? What country is the embroidered house thobe, sneakers, and a shimagh thrown over your head part of the culture? Wannabe urban khaleejis with no self identity. They'd be laughed out of anywhere they went except their own circles.
  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain
     Reply #11 - June 22, 2014, 06:50 PM

    ^ This just calls for a tumblr...
  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain
     Reply #12 - June 23, 2014, 06:03 AM

    Looking at the video, these guys have the most bizarre fashion sense ever. Who dresses like that? What country is the embroidered house thobe, sneakers, and a shimagh thrown over your head part of the culture? Wannabe urban khaleejis with no self identity. They'd be laughed out of anywhere they went except their own circles.


     Cheesy  The only people worse than them are the hebrew israelites outside the china gate in dc I would give anything to watch them face off like a bad mexican wrestling match with bat shyt crazy costumes nachoooooooo shawaaarrmaa

    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain
     Reply #13 - June 23, 2014, 06:06 AM

    Looking at the video, these guys have the most bizarre fashion sense ever. Who dresses like that? What country is the embroidered house thobe, trainers, and a shimagh thrown over your head part of the culture? Wannabe urban khaleejis with no self identity. They'd be laughed out of anywhere they went except their own circles.

    Yup.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain
     Reply #14 - June 23, 2014, 11:29 PM

    is ginger and  this guy not one and the same?

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=25785.0

    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain
     Reply #15 - June 24, 2014, 12:02 AM

    Looking at the video, these guys have the most bizarre fashion sense ever. Who dresses like that? What country is the embroidered house thobe, sneakers, and a shimagh thrown over your head part of the culture? Wannabe urban khaleejis with no self identity. They'd be laughed out of anywhere they went except their own circles.


    It's hipster salaifi Islam innit?
  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain
     Reply #16 - July 02, 2014, 11:44 AM

    is ginger and  this guy not one and the same?

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=25785.0


    Yep, that's him.  Form an orderly queue ladies, I know you're all dying to post his pic in the hot men thread... Roll Eyes

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain
     Reply #17 - July 02, 2014, 01:23 PM

    Yup.

    Missed out the "Fixed it for you" comment. Damn CEMB stopping me from editing. Anyway, it's trainers not sneakers. You and certain Londoners need to learn how to speak English.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • First case of sectarian violence in Britain
     Reply #18 - August 19, 2015, 01:50 AM

    I was going to start a new thread but figured this one would suffice.

    Sectarian hatred at the heart of British Muslim community



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    Religious sectarianism is on the rise in Britain’s Muslim community and threatens to spill over into violent crime and terrorism, leading clerics warned yesterday. An investigation by The Times has found a sharp but largely hidden rise in sectarian tensions between the minority Shia community and the dominant Sunni groups, driven by the long, bitter war in Syria. Ill-feeling is being stoked by vitriolic preachers on both sides of the divide — including some who lecture at British universities — and incidents such as assaults, attacks on buildings and intimidation online. Sayed Ammar Nakshwani, one of the world’s leading Shia clerics, revealed that he recently left Britain for the United States after enduring years of intimidation from hardline Sunnis who allegedly threatened his life, followed his parents and vandalised his car. Sheikh Ahmed Haneef, a Shia imam in London, called for 24-hour police protection for Shia mosques and said that community leaders needed to step up security to guard against the threat of “blowback” from Islamic State sympathisers carrying out terrorist attacks. Qari Muhammad Asim, a leading Sunni voice and imam at the Makkah mosque in Leeds, warned that sectarian rhetoric was “a cancer eating away at the Muslim community”. He said: “Our faith doesn’t condone takfir [excommunication] of another. It is against Prophetic tradition and if we follow the same path as the Middle East, where sectarianism has fuelled conflict, we are in trouble.” Of the 3 million Muslims in Britain, about 2.3 million identify as Sunni, compared with 300,000 Shias, or 5 per cent of the total. Most British Shias have roots in Iran, Iraq, Azer­baijan or ­Bahrain. Sunnis make up the vast majority of Muslims worldwide. The sectarian atmosphere in Britain is being fuelled by propaganda that ­depicts the war in Syria as a battle between Sunni rebels and the Shia-led Assad regime. The regional power struggle between the Sunni kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Shia republic of Iran is also having an impact. Mr Haneef, of the Islamic Centre of England, a Shia mosque in north London, said that there was “a really major security issue” developing. “The ­venomous preaching combined with the jihadists coming back into the country and looking to carry out ­opportunist attacks — that puts us in a very dangerous situation,” he said. His centre had experienced two recent incidents, one when an attempt was made to break down the front door and the second during Ramadan when two hardline Sunni Salafists tried to attack people outside the building. Mr Haneef said: “We’re a soft target for opportunist terrorism. We have been ramping up security but I don’t think it’s enough — we should have round-the-clock police protection. The community needs to be more aware of the threat. We need to be more like the Jewish community, who are extremely sensitive to the security issues.” Dr Nakshawani, an internationally recognised Shia scholar, said that he left ­Britain after receiving death threats and having to take security precautions everywhere he went. The campaign against him began in 2009 with his car being smashed up. The word rafidi was daubed on the car — a Sunni insult referring to the Shia rejection of the companions of Muhammad. Dr Nakshawani added: “They would sometimes target my house and call me and say, ‘Hey rafidi, watch your back’. One time there was a call at midnight where they said your dad has gone out and we can see him at the supermarket. They had followed him and were watching him.” At a Sunni-Shia “unity event” in north London, a group of men with long beards threatened him and one pulled a knife. He said: “I made the decision to move to the US alone as I needed to get out and at least provide a safety net for my parents. The police didn’t really do anything — each time it was a case of ‘we will look into it’. “Most Sunnis are ­disgusted by Isis and their actions but we have to ask serious questions of where this group has come from and which ideas have fed them.” Superintendent Paul Giannasi, a national police spokesman, urged victims to report incidents: “We know that many hate crimes are not reported to the police and our communities say that this type of hate crime is among the least likely to come to our attention.” Jonathan Russell, of the anti-extremist think tank Quilliam, said that sectarian tensions were inevitable in an ­atmosphere in which extremist narratives had become common. “Given the international focus of Islamic State ­recruitment, with members from over 90 countries, we fully expect this sectarian dimension of their ideology to be brought home and to impact on community cohesion in the UK,” he said.


    Douglas Murray gave his thoughts on it.

    Muslims in the UK are attacking mosques. Does that make them Islamophobic?

    Quote
    The Times today reports that leading Muslim clerics in the UK are warning that ‘religious sectarianism is on the rise in Britain’s Muslim community and threatens to spill over into violent crime and terrorism’.  An investigation by the paper ‘found a sharp but largely hidden rise in sectarian tensions between the minority Shia community and the dominant Sunni groups’.

    I must say that I am shocked – really shocked – by this.  Like everyone else, I had always assumed that if you allowed very large numbers of people with totally different beliefs into this country then in no time they would be down the local pub and fully integrated loyal members of the Women’s Institute and their local Anglican church.  It was totally unforeseeable, was it not, that any of them would bring their ancient animosities with them?  And as for the attacks on mosques outlined in the report – surely such actions could only ever be expected from native knuckle-dragging ‘Islamophobes’.  What are we to do now that Muslims in the UK are attacking mosques?  What names can we call them?  All this will require deep thought.  At least it is not too late in the day to start.


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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