'Most of us here live with believers, and love them, So that is sort of ridiculous, to wonder how any of us behave towards believers. If you want Muslim bashers you should search elsewhere. That's not us, and most of us would leave if it were like that here. There is plenty of that going on elsewhere. "
I am not sure about that.
"I used to think the same when i first joined, like where are the theological debates etc but in my ignorance i quickly realized that cemb is a place for ex muslims who are either very opressed at home, DEPRESSED, suicidal, beaten up both mentally and physically, may be full of anger, and have come here to vent or let off steam, it will appear hostile to someone like yourself who has no problem being a muslim. "
Lol! So that is what its about.
Only problem is that I am the wrong person to let off steam at. At least not with Quranic Islam. Maybe that is what aggravates many here against me.
Quran is peace, justice, equality, freedom and mercy.
It is not the murtads who are beating up on us, in the majority of cases. Most of us have been abused by Muslims. That does not translate into hate or violence. Would we become the abuser? Our issue is with Islamic doctrine, that our loved ones would see abuse towards us as the Islamically correct action. If violence were not a theme, if hate were not a theme, if discrimination were not pervasive in Quran, perhaps we would be treated differently.
You are trying to prove an offshoot of a religion, Quranism is not Islam. Saying that everyone in history has got Islam wrong does no good now. Islam is historical fact, as is Classical Arabic and the common understanding of it.
You have become a gateway drug, like marijuana. You tell everyone it is all peace and light and you twist it how you want by whichever means, and some might believe you. Then they get hit with the hard stuff, the Muslims, who explain to them that billions of people understand Quran differently than they do, and that there is a body of knowledge that they overlook that puts Quran into historical context. Then they come across centuries of Quranic research, and they are blown away by the sheer volume of work that makes yours a drop. A drop that fell out of the bucket. And they jump in, to be true to the text.
You are an apologist. If Quran could be translated the way you do, it would be. Because the only thing that makes Islam at all acceptable is the Muslims. Despite our own experiences and despite atrocities committed in the world in it's name, the people who follow Islam have softened it, rounded it, and put a spin on it that makes it much more human and less cruel jealous God. Don't you think that Muslims would have, if they could possibly do so, already have interpreted it the way you do, knowing how desperately they want to please Allah, knowing all the research and dedication that has come before you?
This is why Quranism is for many of us the very last step before apostasy. We don't want Islam to be what it is. We don't want to leave our Ummah. We grasp at this straw, and when we find it to be, in fact, straw, we let it go. You cannot hold a wish in your hand.
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