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You are wrong again and actually prove your own religion is a man-made myth by your own argument from the Talmud. Congratulations.
A mamzer can not marry a Jew but he can marry a gentile even is that gentile is a convert. A mazer will also bear children who are considered mamzer.
Halakhic definitions[edit]
The Talmud indicates that the term mamzer applied to the descendants of specific illicit unions. In some cases, where the male parent was a Kohen (a member of the priestly lineage of Aaron) there is a related category called chalal. According to the Mishnah a mamzer is the offspring of a Biblically forbidden union (M.Yebamoth 4, Mishnah 13: "כל שחיבין עליו כרת בידי שמים". According to the Shulhan Arukh a mamzer can only be produced by two Jews (Shulhan Arukh Even haEzer 4:19).
Like many other types of social category, in Judaism the mamzer status is hereditary - a child of a mamzer (whether mother or father) is also a mamzer. However, since these rules are regarded as applying only to Jews, and since traditional Jewish law regards being a Jewish as something which is only maternally inheritable, the child of a male mamzer and a non-Jewish woman cannot be a mamzer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MamzerConsequences of the State of Mamzerut
These are twofold and relate to marriage and to personal status.
(1) Marriage. The Bible lays down: "A mamzer shall not enter the congregation of the Lord" (Deut. 23:3), i.e., a marriage between a mamzer (male or female) and a legitimate Jew or Jewess is prohibited. If such a marriage is nevertheless contracted, it is legally valid but must be dissolved by divorce (see *Marriage, Prohibited). A marriage between two mamzerim is permitted (Yev. 45b; Kid. 69a; 74a; Maim., Yad., Issurei Bi'ah 15:33; Sh. Ar., EH 4:24) and so also is a marriage between a mamzer and a proselyte (Yev. 79b; Kid. 67a and Rashi thereto; 72b–73a; Maim., Yad, Issurei Bi'ah 15:7; Sh. Ar., EH 4:22).
(2) Personal status. The offspring of a mamzer (whether male or female) and a legitimate Jew or Jewess are also mamzerim, since "mamzerim… are forbidden and forbidden for all time, whether they are males or females" (Yev. 8:3) and the rule is that in the case of a prohibited union the offspring follows the status of the "defective" parent (Kid. 3:12; see *Yuḥasin). On the other hand, as the offspring of a union between a Jew and a gentile takes the status of the mother, a child born of a mamzer and a gentile mother will be gentile and not a mamzer; thus after proper conversion to Judaism, he will acquire the status of a legitimate proselyte and the fact that his father was a mamzer will be wholly irrelevant (Kid. 67a, Rashi; Maim., Yad, Issurei Bi'ah 15:3; Tur and Beit Yosef, EH 4; Sh. Ar., EH 4:20).
Except with regard to marriage, as stated above, the personal status of a mamzer does not prejudice him in any way. His rights of inheritance are equal to those of any other heir (Yev. 22b; Maim., Yad, Naḥalot 1:7; Sh. Ar., ḤM 276:6). His birth releases his father's wife from the obligation of *levirate marriage and ḥaliẓah. The mamzer is eligible to hold any public office, the highest (i.e., that of a king), for he remains "thy brother" and "from among thy brethren shalt thou set a king over thee" (Deut. 17:15; Tos. to Yev. 45b). Furthermore, according to the Mishnah, "a mamzer who is a scholar [talmid ḥakham] takes precedence over a high priest who is an ignoramus [am ha-areẓ]" (Hor. 3:
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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0013_0_13122.html"and since traditional Jewish law regards being a Jew as something which is only maternally inheritable, the child of a male mamzer and a non-Jewish woman cannot be a mamzer"
Ethnocentrism at its best.
What this all has to do with what I was saying beats me. I am talking about pedophilia and most of all the age of accountability for a girl. Judaisms and Islam both see physical maturity is all that is needed for a girl since the parents can decide on who she marries. This is not a must but is allowed. Quran does not recognize parental authority in a marriage unless allowed by the girl. That girl has to be able to understand the Quranic verses. The topics covered by the Quran can not be understood by a child below at least 17. There are verses about war and finacial contracts and oaths and other issues that needs mental maturity. This issue I have discussed with Muslims before and they have a hard time understanding this.
This is why you will not find child circumcision in the Quran because a child in the Quran has no religious obligation until he himself can comprehend the Quran and its commands.
Sorry I missed this post.
http://www.come-and-hear.com/tglossary.html#Mhttp://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0013_0_13122.htmlThe law is clearly established, in this Tractate and elsewhere, that the penalty of kareth is incurred when a transgression — one of the thirty-six cited in the opening Mishnah of this Tractate — is committed deliberately without any previous warning. If the transgression was committed deliberately, after the warning of witnesses, the offender is liable in some of the cases to the death penalty, and in others, to forty stripes. [< Introduction to Tractate Kerithoth by the translator, Rabbi Dr. I. Porusch, Ph. D., Tractate Kerithoth, page v.]
Definition
"If she cannot contract a legally valid marriage to this man, but can contract a legally valid marriage to others, her offspring [from the former] is a mamzer. Such is the case when a man has sexual relations with any of the ervot ["forbidden"; see *Incest] in the Torah" (Kid. 3:12; cf. Yev. 4:13). Thus, a mamzer is the issue of a couple whose sexual relationship is forbidden according to the Torah and punishable by *karet or death. Because of this a marriage between them is void (Sh. Ar., EH 4:13), and thus, for example, the issue of a union between brother and sister or between a man and a woman validly married to another at the time is a mamzer (see *Adultery; Yev. 45b; Maim., Yad, Issurei Bi'ah 15:1; Tur and Beit Yosef, EH 4; Sh. Ar., EH 4:13).
On the other hand, in Jewish law – unlike in other systems of law – the mere fact that a child is born (or conceived) out of lawful wedlock does not make him a mamzer and he is not an illegitimate child, i.e., one whose status or rights are impaired. The parents of the mamzer are indeed unmarried – either in fact or since they are so considered in law because of an absolute legal bar to a marriage between them – but unlike a man and a woman who, from the legal point of view, can marry each other but do not want to, the parents of the mamzer, owing to the said legal bar, cannot marry each other even if they want to. If one parent is non-Jewish this fact alone does not make the child a mamzer (see *Marriage; Yev. 45b; Maim., Yad, Issurei Bi'ah 15:3; Tur, EH 4; Sh. Ar., EH 4:19).
http://www.come-and-hear.com/tglossary.html#KARETHA child born from a union prohibited under penalty of death or kareth.
Sexual intercourse with one's mother
Sexual intercourse with one's father's wife
Sexual intercourse with one's son's wife
A male having sexual intercourse with another male
A male having sexual intercourse with an animal
A female having sexual intercourse with an animal
Having sexual intercourse with both a mother and her daughter within the span of his lifetime
Sexual intercourse with a married woman
Sexual intercourse with one's sister
Sexual intercourse with one's father's sister
Sexual intercourse with one's mother's sister
Sexual intercourse with the sister of one's wife
Sexual intercourse with one's brother's wife
Sexual intercourse with the wife of one's father's brother
Sexual intercourse with a menstruating woman, known as a nida (נדה)
Cursing God using the appropriate holy name, known as megadef (מגדף)
Worshiping a deity other than God, known as Avodah Zarah (עבודה זרה)
Sacrificing one's child to Moloch (מלך)
Consulting with a spirit through a process known as ohv (אוב)
Violating the Shabbat (שבת) by doing one of the 39 categories of activities prohibited on Shabbat
Eating of an offering while in a state of ritual impurity, known as tumah (טומאה)
Entering the temple or Tabernacle while in a state of ritual impurity, known as tumah (טומאה)
Eating of a form of animal fat known as chelev (חלב)
Eating or drinking blood
Eating of an offering after the allowable time for the eating of that offering has expired. An offering in this state is known as notar (נותר)
Eating of an offering that was offered with the intention of eating of it after the allowable time for the eating of that offering has expired. Such an offering is known as pigul (פיגול)
Slaughtering an offering outside the boundaries of the temple or Tabernacle
Offering up an offering upon an altar outside the boundaries of the temple or Tabernacle
Eating chametz on Passover
Eating or drinking on Yom Kippur
Violating Yom Kippur by doing one of the 39 categories of activities that are prohibited on Shabbat
Creating a replication of the holy anointing oil (שמן המשחה) that was used for the anointment of high priests and kings of the house of David that was made by Moses, using the same ingredients and precise measurements, and creating it in the same volume as created by Moses [13]
Creating a replication of the incense offering, known as the Ketoret (קטרת), using the same ingredients and precise measurements of the Ketoret
Anointing oneself with the holy anointing oil that was created by Moses
Failure to bring the Passover offering
Failure to circumcise oneself
See this is what happens when you use a wiki and fail to read secondary subjects or even what you link. Why is it relevant? It is as you are citing it as an example of incorrect views of Sunni and Shias based on your incorrect views of Judaism. I corrected your distorted interpretations that is all. None of what you have said child marriage is endorsed by Judaism. In fact Judaism is against it according to our shared sources. You have no proven you case at all. Having trouble with reading and comprehension again? I could type in a large font and use smaller word if you wish
"On the other hand, in Jewish law – unlike in other systems of law – the mere fact that a child is born (or conceived) out of lawful wedlock does not make him a mamzer and he is not an illegitimate child, i.e., one whose status or rights are impaired"
So considered your argument refuted.
Yes Judaism is an ethnocentric religion so should not compared to a universal religion. Like I said apples to oranges. Did you miss the part on the Torah about God's chosen people? Have you even read the Torah at all?
Also the word Mamzer is only found in Deuteronomy 23:2 and Zachariyah 9:1-7
Deuteronomy 23:1-8: “[1] He whose testicles have been crushed or whose penis has been cut off may not enter into the assembly of Yehowah. [2] A Mamzer may not enter into the assembly of Yehowah; even the tenth generation may not enter into the assembly of Yehowah. [3] An Ammonite or a Moabite may not enter into the assembly of Yehowah; even the tenth generation and beyond may not enter into the assembly of Yehowah, [4] because they did not run out to meet you with food and water on your way out of Egypt and because they hired Bala’am the son of Be’or from Pethor in Aram Naharayim against you, to curse you. [5] But Yehowah your Elohim did not wish to listen to Bala’am, and Yehowah your Elohim turned the curse into a blessing for you, because Yehowah your Elohim loves you. [6] Do not seek their peace nor their good, all of your days, forever. [7] But you shall not abhor an Edomite, because he is your brother, and you shall not abhor an Egyptian, because you were a stranger in his land. [8] So the children of the third generation that are born to them may enter into the assembly of Yehowah.”
[1] The heavy burden of the word of Yehowah. In the land of Hadrach and in Damascus shall be His resting place. For Yehowah has His eye on man and all the tribes of Israel. [2] And Hamath shall also border on it, and Zor and Zidon, for she is very wise. [3] And Zor built herself a stronghold, and hoarded silver like dust and fine gold like the dirt in the streets. [4] Behold, my Master will disinherit her and He will destroy her army in the sea, and she shall be consumed by fire. [5] Ashkelon will see this and fear; Gaza also, and shall be greatly afraid; and Ekron, and her expectations shall be dashed; and the king of Gaza will be destroyed, and Ashkelon shall become uninhabited. [6] And Mamzer shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the pride of the Philistines. [7] And I will take the blood out of his mouth, and the insects out from between his teeth, and he also shall remain for our Elohim, and he shall be as a chief in Judah, and Ekron as a Jebusite.”
Ruth 4:18-22New International Version (NIV)
The Genealogy of David
18 This, then, is the family line of Perez: Perez was the father of Hezron, 19 Hezron the father of Ram, Ram the father of Amminadab, 20 Amminadab the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon,[a] 21 Salmon the father of Boaz, Boaz the father of Obed, 22 Obed the father of Jesse, and Jesse the father of David.
Genesis 38 New International Version (NIV)
Judah and Tamar
38 At that time, Judah left his brothers and went down to stay with a man of Adullam named Hirah. 2 There Judah met the daughter of a Canaanite man named Shua. He married her and made love to her; 3 she became pregnant and gave birth to a son, who was named Er. 4 She conceived again and gave birth to a son and named him Onan. 5 She gave birth to still another son and named him Shelah. It was at Kezib that she gave birth to him. 6 Judah got a wife for Er, his firstborn, and her name was Tamar. 7 But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death. 8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” 9 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also. 11 Judah then said to his daughter-in-law Tamar, “Live as a widow in your father’s household until my son Shelah grows up.” For he thought, “He may die too, just like his brothers.” So Tamar went to live in her father’s household. 12 After a long time Judah’s wife, the daughter of Shua, died. When Judah had recovered from his grief, he went up to Timnah, to the men who were shearing his sheep, and his friend Hirah the Adullamite went with him. 13 When Tamar was told, “Your father-in-law is on his way to Timnah to shear his sheep,” 14 she took off her widow’s clothes, covered herself with a veil to disguise herself, and then sat down at the entrance to Enaim, which is on the road to Timnah. For she saw that, though Shelah had now grown up, she had not been given to him as his wife. 15 When Judah saw her, he thought she was a prostitute, for she had covered her face. 16 Not realizing that she was his daughter-in-law, he went over to her by the roadside and said, “Come now, let me sleep with you.” “And what will you give me to sleep with you?” she asked. 17 “I’ll send you a young goat from my flock,” he said. “Will you give me something as a pledge until you send it?” she asked. 18 He said, “What pledge should I give you?” “Your seal and its cord, and the staff in your hand,” she answered. So he gave them to her and slept with her, and she became pregnant by him. 19 After she left, she took off her veil and put on her widow’s clothes again. 20 Meanwhile Judah sent the young goat by his friend the Adullamite in order to get his pledge back from the woman, but he did not find her. 21 He asked the men who lived there, “Where is the shrine prostitute who was beside the road at Enaim?” “There hasn’t been any shrine prostitute here,” they said. 22 So he went back to Judah and said, “I didn’t find her. Besides, the men who lived there said, ‘There hasn’t been any shrine prostitute here.’” 23 Then Judah said, “Let her keep what she has, or we will become a laughingstock. After all, I did send her this young goat, but you didn’t find her.” 24 About three months later Judah was told, “Your daughter-in-law Tamar is guilty of prostitution, and as a result she is now pregnant.”Judah said, “Bring her out and have her burned to death!” 25 As she was being brought out, she sent a message to her father-in-law. “I am pregnant by the man who owns these,” she said. And she added, “See if you recognize whose seal and cord and staff these are.” 26 Judah recognized them and said, “She is more righteous than I, since I wouldn’t give her to my son Shelah.” And he did not sleep with her again. 27 When the time came for her to give birth, there were twin boys in her womb. 28 As she was giving birth, one of them put out his hand; so the midwife took a scarlet thread and tied it on his wrist and said, “This one came out first.” 29 But when he drew back his hand, his brother came out, and she said, “So this is how you have broken out!” And he was named Perez.[a] 30 Then his brother, who had the scarlet thread on his wrist, came out. And he was named Zerah.
These verses is talking about nations. Why is Mamzer found in a verse about other nations but not in context of Hebrews. This calls to question if Mamzer was once a nation rather than a bastard of a Hebrew Union. There are a number of Rabbi which have held the opinion that Mamzer are a nation of people not Hebrews. Rabbi Yehuda ben Bila’am, David Kimchi, Rashi. There is also the case of King David who is a 10th generation bastard, which would make him an illegitimate King, and not a Jew. Which just prove ISlam is a man-made religion according to your views of the Talmud. I could go on if you wish however I think I proved the case that Mamzer may not be what the Talmud says it is. The Talmud being a secondary source like Hadiths. I also proved my case that you in fact have no idea what you are talking about.
Stop linking the Talmud. You are only embarrassing yourself.
Secondary sources.
http://www.come-and-hear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_49.html
http://www.come-and-hear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_69.html
http://www.come-and-hear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_78.html
http://www.come-and-hear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_87.html
http://halakhah.com/rst/nashim/30b%20-%20Kiddushin%2041a-82b.pdf Kiddushin 67b and 73a
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