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  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     OP - August 04, 2014, 12:06 AM
    I mean, Isn't death much sweeter and peaceful than life? What's so special about life? Why people  say that "life is a gift"? Of course for some it might be.





  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #1 - August 04, 2014, 12:19 AM
    Is this a cry for help?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufCFaNPERQ0
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #2 - August 04, 2014, 12:24 AM
    Quote from: Jedi on August 04, 2014, 12:19 AM
    Is this a cry for help?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufCFaNPERQ0



    Please anything but bollywood.

    @INcePtion

    Life is a blast! I mean; I know life sucks for some people and there is a significant amount of people that commit suicide every day. But, I would hate the idea of dying anywhere in the near future. Sure, death is inevitable but I have so many things on my to-do list; too many things to leave undone. Too many things to die out on.
    أشهد أن لا إله
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #3 - August 04, 2014, 12:29 AM
    Sure. I agree with that. But why do people desire life when death is such a better solution? Is it because we are afraid of death? Is it because some people think they will end up in hell? Is it because we are instilled with the idea that committing suicide is a sign of weakness?
    Is it because we dont know what's going to happen after death...
    Or is it simply a habit?
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #4 - August 04, 2014, 12:32 AM
    Quote from: Jedi on August 04, 2014, 12:19 AM
    Is this a cry for help?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufCFaNPERQ0


    Nah. Lol
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #5 - August 04, 2014, 12:32 AM
    This truly is my philosophy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRFGVKyGYgE

    Life has it's ups and downs:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5aarVaoEvQ

    And the masterpiece:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI10wgbeXgc

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #6 - August 04, 2014, 12:49 AM
    Quote from: INcePtion on August 04, 2014, 12:29 AM
    Sure. I agree with that. But why do people desire life when death is such a better solution? Is it because we are afraid of death? Is it because some people think they will end up in hell? Is it because we are instilled with the idea that committing suicide is a sign of weakness?
    Is it because we dont know what's going to happen after death...
    Or is it simply a habit?


    I'm gonna refrain from further serial posting to avoid getting repetitive and to let others participate but first:

    I'm fairly sure that literally everyone has thought about what it'd be like if they were to simply commit suicide. I'm mostly okay with death. I wouldn't choose it upon myself, certainly not in my days of youth. Life has always thrown challenges at me and so far I've either been able to outright solve those challenges or simply run away from them until they give up and turn the other way. In general, I think people dislike the idea of suicide possibly because of how it could affect their loved ones, or they're just happy, or they're uncomfortable with the uncertainty of the afterlife(i.e. the possibility of going to hell).

    I personally don't care much about the uncertainty. It would be pretty cool if we just dissolved into our spirit form upon death; visible to each other and all but living humans, and carried on existing. But I have no fear of the Abrahamic version of things, I am more disappointed in the Abrahamic god than anything. If there is anything I would hate above all else, it would be to die a Muslim.
    أشهد أن لا إله
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #7 - August 04, 2014, 01:01 AM
    Quote from: xtremestr on August 04, 2014, 12:49 AM
    I'm gonna refrain from further serial posting to avoid getting repetitive and to let others participate but first:

    I'm fairly sure that literally everyone has thought about what it'd be like if they were to simply commit suicide. I'm mostly okay with death. I wouldn't choose it upon myself, certainly not in my days of youth. Life has always thrown challenges at me and so far I've either been able to outright solve those challenges or simply run away from them until they give up and turn the other way. In general, I think people dislike the idea of suicide possibly because of how it could affect their loved ones, or they're just happy, or they're uncomfortable with the uncertainty of the afterlife(i.e. the possibility of going to hell).

    I personally don't care much about the uncertainty. It would be pretty cool if we just dissolved into our spirit form upon death; visible to each other and all but living humans, and carried on existing. But I have no fear of the Abrahamic version of things, I am more disappointed in the Abrahamic god than anything. If there is anything I would hate above all else, it would be to die a Muslim.

    No need to refrain yourself. I like your response and no, you are not repetitive.  Afro





  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #8 - August 04, 2014, 01:24 AM
    Life did suck when we had to obey a creator who is all powerful and feels the need to control every aspect of everyone's life. That's probably why it's haraam to commit suicide Cheesy. Now we can do anything we want if it doesn't effect others in a negative way so i don't see why end it early? It's going to end eventually might as well make the most of it Smiley.
    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #9 - August 04, 2014, 02:10 AM
    Because I enjoy seeing, hearing, tasting, eating, drinking, touching, feeling, loving, kissing, fucking, fighting, laughing, crying, thinking, dreaming, etc. Being dead kinda puts an abrupt end to all of that. So staying alive is part of my long-term strategy to keep doing things like that.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #10 - August 04, 2014, 02:48 AM
    Quote from: INcePtion on August 04, 2014, 12:29 AM
    Sure. I agree with that. But why do people desire life when death is such a better solution? Is it because we are afraid of death? Is it because some people think they will end up in hell? Is it because we are instilled with the idea that committing suicide is a sign of weakness?
    Is it because we dont know what's going to happen after death...
    Or is it simply a habit?


    Because of joy in the moments that life contains. Those flashes in time, of the joy of lving. Addictive.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #11 - August 04, 2014, 03:14 AM
    Quote from: INcePtion on August 04, 2014, 12:06 AM
    I mean, Isn't death much sweeter and peaceful than life? What's so special about life? Why people  say that "life is a gift"? Of course for some it might be.

    What is the problem Girl?   Common CHEER UP..

    No you are wrong., .. LIFE IS SWEET .. Very ..very sweet.,  

     death is dead body that decompose with-in few days., Dead bodies can do NOTHING.,  Carbon, hydrogen sulfur, phosphorous and few elements that are there in the body  can do NOTHING.., god/allah/dolls/gods/stones CAN DO NOTHING...

    With life you can do so much., So live fully all the way to 100 years  and if some one is hurting now., you BEAT THEM UP.  if you can not beat them now., make sure  you will beat them up later when you are big girl with lots of money..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #12 - August 04, 2014, 04:58 AM
    It's usually boredom that makes us think this way, been there many times..  anyway, just wait until you fall in love with some guy soon (if you havent already), life will suddenly appear magical for however long it lasts, if it doesn't, move onto someone or something else to stir your passions  : )
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #13 - August 04, 2014, 05:53 AM
    What Ishina said. Plus survival instinct.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #14 - August 04, 2014, 07:16 AM
    Quote from: INcePtion on August 04, 2014, 12:06 AM
    I mean, Isn't death much sweeter and peaceful than life?

    Dunno. Never been dead. What's your source of information?

    ETA: Also, most of what Ishina said (some of the things on her list are meh).
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #15 - August 04, 2014, 07:33 AM
    ^ lol love that reply.. How can she compare the two lol..

    Anyways i really love what Ishina wrote but if you're feeling very down or depressed, those simple pleasures in life don't have any effect on you, food can have no taste, nothing makes you smile or laugh, or love  :( 
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #16 - August 04, 2014, 09:59 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on August 04, 2014, 07:16 AM
    Dunno. Never been dead. What's your source of information?

    ETA: Also, most of what Ishina said (some of the things on her list are meh).


    Lol Dunno I was just wondering in the middle of the night.  Cheesy
    And btw I wasnt depressed when I asked this question. Lol I have a very long to-do list.  Tongue

  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #17 - August 04, 2014, 01:05 PM
    because individuals and species which had a lesser natural desire to live, did not survive as well.
    If we are accepting natural selection, it would be amazing to not find a desire to live. No different from desire for food, despite all the bad tasting and poisonous stuff.
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #18 - August 04, 2014, 02:18 PM
    This might sound controversial but I think for some people being dead is better than being alive in a very gloomy, dejected life. Feeling nothing is better than feeling an awful dismay your whole life especially if you live under very authoritarian conditions.
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #19 - August 04, 2014, 02:55 PM
    Quote from: INcePtion on August 04, 2014, 12:29 AM
    Sure. I agree with that. But why do people desire life when death is such a better solution? Is it because we are afraid of death? Is it because some people think they will end up in hell? Is it because we are instilled with the idea that committing suicide is a sign of weakness?
    Is it because we dont know what's going to happen after death...
    Or is it simply a habit?


    Desiring life is a natural instict. Even if you try to kill yourself you can't (if you're not at your limit).
    I think it's natural to be afraid of death. Most of the people fear it because they don't know what's going to happen. Even if you are certain about Hell or whatever you can't be sure 100%.
    I never thought suicide is a sign of weakness. I think it's really hard to do it. In Asia suicide has other meanings too.
    It depends on the countries.

    I think it's because we don't know what's going to happen.
    However I understand you. I sometimes question myself about this stuff too ^^
    Every Morning We Are Born Again.
    What We Do Today Is What Matters Most.
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #20 - August 04, 2014, 03:18 PM
    Well, who knows what's on the other side? It could potentially be worse than life. It's a bit like walking into a dark, unknown abyss to avoid the trouble of walking up a really steep hill (if life is shit). The arduous known is always better than the completely unknown, especially if there's no returning so yeah I'm agreeing with Oz "who told you death would be so jolly?". And you're going to experience death eventually anyway so no need to hasten the journey. Oh, and what Ishina said. 
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #21 - August 04, 2014, 03:25 PM
    What Ishina said mmm life without religion seems soo much better doesnt it.......
    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #22 - August 06, 2014, 10:45 PM
    I'd say our desire to live is just human instinct. There are a lot of people who are suicidal, but most often than not, when they are actually close to death (usually one that they did not plan), it's a terrifying thing. Some suddenly find reasons to live- whatever those reasons are keeps people going. Maybe some want to see how far they can go? The question "but what if I die and I miss something important/haven't reached my full potential etc". Death can be scary, it is the end after all. You become nothing. You find comfort in that or you don't.
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on August 04, 2014, 03:18 PM
    Well, who knows what's on the other side? It could potentially be worse than life. It's a bit like walking into a dark, unknown abyss to avoid the trouble of walking up a really steep hill (if life is shit). The arduous known is always better than the completely unknown, especially if there's no returning so yeah I'm agreeing with Oz "who told you death would be so jolly?". And you're going to experience death eventually anyway so no need to hasten the journey. Oh, and what Ishina said. 

    yupp ^^^
    "A great fire burns within me, but no one stops to warm themselves at it, and passers-by only see a wisp of smoke."
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #23 - August 06, 2014, 10:59 PM
    Because this life is the only one I've ever known and every now and then I experience joy which is enough to make me want to keep living. If asked to define what is joy there soon comes a point where I can't explain it but I simply accept that joy is the emotion I feel and that's good enough for me.
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #24 - August 06, 2014, 11:00 PM
    I once read about people who had attempted suicide by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. It's quite popular as a suicide spot, but every so often somebody will survive the 67 metre fall. Story is that of all those survivors interviewed, every one of them said that about halfway down they realised that none of their reasons for jumping were really all that good, and that their problems could be sorted by other means. grin12

    Presumably this means that all jumpers had the same thoughts, but most don't live to be questioned about it.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #25 - August 06, 2014, 11:00 PM
    Did anyone else understand my last post?
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #26 - August 06, 2014, 11:10 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on August 06, 2014, 11:00 PM
    I once read about people who had attempted suicide by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. It's quite popular as a suicide spot, but every so often somebody will survive the 67 metre fall. Story is that of all those survivors interviewed, every one of them said that about halfway down they realised that none of their reasons for jumping were really all that good, and that their problems could be sorted by other means. grin12

    Presumably this means that all jumpers had the same thoughts, but most don't live to be questioned about it.


    I have heard from a doctor that most people who somehow survive after suicidal attempts, literally beg their doctors to make them OK if they are still under the risk of death. The exceptions are the really traumatised patients.
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #27 - August 06, 2014, 11:12 PM
    Quote from: Doubting Tomas on August 06, 2014, 11:00 PM
    Did anyone else understand my last post?

    It's pretty straightforward. Smiley
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #28 - August 06, 2014, 11:22 PM
    Thanks, I wasn't sure if I was making sense to anyone but myself.
  • Why do we desire to live despite all the hardships..?
     Reply #29 - August 06, 2014, 11:44 PM
    Because we're evolved to do exactly that. At the same time those that are suicidal are evolved to be that way also, but it's telling that they are a minority in almost any group, regardless of the hardships that people are facing.

    Why did I desire to live despite being depressed/suicidal? Well for one it was just the simple fear of death and pain, and fear that I hadn't lived/experienced all the good things that I could. To have never experienced romantic love / not reaching my personal potential / not contributed to others' experience, those are all things I regretted not having significantly experienced. On the other hand, it was much more than just this fear. It was the realization that I didn't really require all that much to make me happy in life, and was fortunate enough to be able to experience those things which did. Just a blue sky and shining sun overhead, a football, and a clear field to run in. This was always enough for me, when I finally realized it, and you could say that this realization is what actually saved my life.
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