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 Topic: Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!

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     OP - August 05, 2014, 10:38 AM

    Some excerpts from THE RELIGIOUS ATTITUDES OF THE INDO-EUROPEANS
    http://www.theapricity.com/earlson/raie/for.htm

    A very good read for anyone critiquing the Abrahamic religions. The writer has some misplaced slightly racist views but (a product of time and place) but otherwise an excellent resource.

    I have removed references from the below for the sake of brevity. But the original version in the link has them all.


    Only Chapters 2 and 3 covered below
    ---------------------------------------------
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #1 - August 05, 2014, 10:41 AM

    “The nobly born must nobly meet his fate.”
    Euripides

    “When thou . . . thinkest: ‘I will not fight’, then this thy resolution is vain, thy aristocratic nature will drive thee to it”.
    (Bagavad Gita)

    “Men knew that the gods whom they served could not give them freedom from danger and calamity, and they did not demand that they should. We find in the myths no sense of bitterness at the harshness and unfairness of life, but rather a spirit of heroic resignation: humanity is born to trouble, but courage, adventure, and the wonders of life are matters for thankfulness, to be enjoyed while life is still granted to us. The great gifts of the gods were readiness to face the world as it was, the luck that sustains men in tight places, and the opportunity to win that glory which alone can survive death.”H. R. Ellis Davidson (Gods and Myths of Northern Europe)


    “It is belief in life in spite of all: in spite of the knowledge of the fundamentally tragic character of life.” (op. cit., 1938, p. 155.)

    “A happy life is impossible, the highest to which man can attain is a heroic course of life”
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #2 - August 05, 2014, 11:26 AM

    Chapter 2


    In the first place, it is unmistakeably evident that Indo-European religiosity is not rooted in any kind of fear, neither in fear of the deity nor in fear of death....

    Fear could not arise because the Indo-European does not consider that he is the creature of a deity; he neither regarded himself as a creature nor did he comprehend the world as a creation the work of a creative God with a beginning in time. To him the world was far more a timeless order, within which both Gods as well as men had their time, their place and their office....

     Still less was a religious attitude possible here, which saw in man a slave under an all-powerful Lord God. The submissive and slavish relation of man to God is especially characteristic of the religiosity of the Semitic peoples. The names Baal, Moloch, Rabbat and others, all stress the omnipotence of the Lord God over enslaved men, his creatures, who crawl on their faces before him. For the Indo-Europeans the worship of God meant the adoration of a deity...

    As a complete man with his honour unsullied, the honest Indo-European stands upright before his God or Gods. No religiosity which takes something away from man, to make him appear smaller before a deity who has become all-powerful and oppressive, is Indo-European. No religiosity which declares the world and man to be valueless, low and unclean, and which wishes to redeem man to over-earthly or superhuman sacred values, is truly Indo-European.

     As a result it is sometimes difficult for us to comprehend its greatness today. We are today accustomed to seek true religiosity only in terms of the other world and to regard religiosity of this world as undeveloped or lacking in some respect.

     Whoever wishes to measure religiosity by the degree of man's abasement before the divine, or by how questionable, valueless or even tainted this world appears to man when faced with that other world, and whoever wishes to measure religiosity by the degree to which man feels a cleft between a transitory body and an indestructible soul, between flesh (sarx) and spirit (pneuma) whosoever seeks to do this will have to declare that the religiosity of the Indo-Europeans is truly impoverished and paltry.

    In the nature of man himself, just as the deity wishes, lie possibilities, seemingly divine in origin, diogenes, and thus it is that every Indo-European people has readily tended to assume the incarnation of all aristocratic national values in human families, the kalok agathia.

    Indo-European religiosity is not slavery, it contains none of the implorings of a downtrodden slave to his all-powerful lord, but comprises rather the confiding fulfilment of a community comprising Gods and men. Plato speaks in his Banquet of a mutual community  between Gods and men. The Teuton was certain of the friendship of his God. In the Bhagavad Gita of the Indians (IV, 3) the God Krishna calls the man Arjuna his friend. The highest deity such as Zeus is honoured as Father of the Gods and of men as a family father, as Zeus Herkeios, not as a despot. This idea is also expressed in the names of the Gods: Djaus pitar with the Indians and Jupiter with the Romans. The name of the Indian God Mitra, which corresponded to Mithra in Iran, means friend. Mazdaism, founded by Zoroaster, called the morally acting man a friend of Ahura Mazda. According to Plato the man of moderation and self-control is above all a friend of God.

    To the belief in the Gods as friends there thus corresponds the Indo-European idea of kinship between the high-minded and morally acting man and the Gods. This kinship rests above all on the view that Gods and men are bound through the same values, through truth and virtue.


    In the Indo-European realm God is again and again regarded as Reason ruling through world phenomena. Thus before Kleanthes of Assos, Euripides in Hecabs prayer equated Zeus to the natural law and reason. The Stoics were convinced that the same law of destiny bound both Gods and men, that therefore freedom for man was only possible as the moral freedom of the wise man who had overcome his desires through rational insight.

    Paul distinguishes the religiosity of the Indo-Europeans from that of the Semites, when he asserts that while the Hellenes strove for knowledge (sophia), the Jews desired revelations (semaia), and Aurelius Augustinus attempts by citing Bible passages, to disparage the wisdom (sapientia) of the Hellenes, alien to him as a Christian, as a folly before God and to find the highest wisdom only in the obedient humility (humilitas obedentiae) of the faithful. 


  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #3 - August 05, 2014, 12:02 PM

    Quote:

    "For a world culture such as progressives seek to construct, an elevation of the spirit above and beyond the entertainment needs of the masses — above Jazz and Negro rhythm — is no longer to be hoped for"

    Yes I can see why you like this book so much. We  - the superior Indo-European, Nordic, Aryan race - must fight the evils of Jazz and Negro rhythm, that seek to pollute our superior spiritual nature.
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #4 - August 05, 2014, 12:05 PM

    I also see that the author was an advocate of Eugenics - nay! A leader in the field.

    Just did a quick search on the book and on the right of the search it had:

    People who searched for this book also searched for:

    Hitler by Rainer Zitelmann

    Notes on the Third Reich
    Julius Evola

    Armament and history
    J.F.C. Fuller

    Genetics
    Eugene Walter

    Facism Viewed from the Right

    Races: A Study of the Problems

    The Arctic Home of the Vedas.


    The book also features in the top ten of "Pro-White Books" (whatever the fuck they are) on Stormfront.
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #5 - August 05, 2014, 12:06 PM

    Tell you what mubs, how about you shove this book and your views on race right up your arse till it goes 'click'.
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #6 - August 05, 2014, 12:11 PM

    Yes, but I'm not talking about that stuff and I already said

    Quote from: mubs_352 link=topic=27015.msg773389#msg773389
    The writer has some misplaced slightly racist views but (a product of time and place)


    I'm clearly not Nordic myself so would have the same issues as anyone. I'm referring here to his description of the values and attitudes of Indo-European religion, not the race stuff, of which there is some in the book, though I would say very little.
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #7 - August 05, 2014, 12:13 PM

    Tell you what mubs, how about you shove this book and your views on race right up your arse till it goes 'click'.


    I dont have any views on race, dickhead, I only talk about cultures.
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #8 - August 05, 2014, 12:13 PM

    Some excerpts from THE RELIGIOUS ATTITUDES OF THE INDO-EUROPEANS
    http://www.theapricity.com/earlson/raie/for.htm

    A very good read for anyone critiquing the Abrahamic religions. The writer has some misplaced slightly racist views but (a product of time and place) but otherwise an excellent resource.

    Only Chapters 2 and 3 covered below
    ---------------------------------------------


    mubs_352 what is slightly racist views and  racist views ?

     So you like that guy  Hans Friedrich Karl Günther and his works??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #9 - August 05, 2014, 12:17 PM

    I dont have any views on race, dickhead, I only talk about cultures.

    what culture  are you talking  about and what culture is superior to other cultures mubs_352?   Punjabi??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #10 - August 05, 2014, 12:17 PM

    By slightly racist, I mean that if you read the paragraphs I pasted, it is not really about race but about religious values. In this book there are a few references to race but it is not important to the general theme and can be ignored.

    I dont really know about him tbh, I have this book at home, and was'nt offended reading it myself, as I mentioned it isn't really about race.
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #11 - August 05, 2014, 12:19 PM

    Yeezee read the post and tell me what you think of the comparisons made. Tell me, do you think there are some problems with whats in that post?
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #12 - August 05, 2014, 12:21 PM

    Every culture has its strengths and weaknesses, I try not to generalise.

    'Punjabi culture' has many strengths, and weaknesses too.
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #13 - August 05, 2014, 12:28 PM

    Every culture has its strengths and weaknesses, I try not to generalise.

    'Punjabi    Every culture' has many strengths, and weaknesses too.

    True every  culture' has many strengths, and weaknesses .,

    then that BOOK has no value and no place for human beings.. or you did not read it carefully.. ., may be there is palce for such books for SUPERIOR HUMAN BEINGS but not for normal folks mubs...

    Yeezee read the post and tell me what you think of the comparisons made. Tell me, do you think there are some problems with whats in that post?

    Yes.. but you didn't answer my question mubs_352.. question was

    what culture  are you talking  about and what culture is superior to other cultures mubs_352?

    http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/2011/07/hans-f-k-gunther-german-anthropologist-and-race-scientist/

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #14 - August 05, 2014, 12:28 PM

    I have this book at home, and was'nt offended reading it myself, as I mentioned it isn't really about race.


    You are either stupid or a liar.

    Remember, now... till it goes "click".
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #15 - August 05, 2014, 12:43 PM

    Indo-European is not a race. It refers to a linguist group stretching from India to North-Wester Europe and beyond. Obviously a person from Scandinavia cannot be the same 'race' as a person from India. Assuming that 'race' is even a definable term.

    The writer also uses quotes from Germanic, Greek, Latin and Indian so this is quite diverse.

    Whether Gunther was a racist or not, I would prefer the above paragraphs to be considered under their merits alone.
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #16 - August 05, 2014, 12:44 PM

    By slightly racist, I mean that if you read the paragraphs I pasted, it is not really about race but about religious values. In this book there are a few references to race but it is not important to the general theme and can be ignored.

    I dont really know about him tbh, I have this book at home, and was'nt offended reading it myself, as I mentioned it isn't really about race.

    Oh O.K you don't know about him., I am sure you have not read that book carefully., It appears you are just fascinated by his fascination of "Indo-european-nordic" superior culture/thoughts/religions gods.. whatever and  that Nordic Race as "Ideal Type",  

    but I think you didn't know  that he lived  between February 16, 1891 – September 25, 1968 and  our hero Hitler himself was involved in Gunther's appointment and the then German National Socialist party., ..  

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #17 - August 05, 2014, 12:46 PM

    Indo-European is not a race. It refers to a linguist group stretching from India to North-Wester Europe and beyond. Obviously a person from Scandinavia cannot be the same 'race' as a person from India. Assuming that 'race' is even a definable term.

    The writer also uses quotes from Germanic, Greek, Latin and Indian so this is quite diverse.


    Whether Gunther was a racist or not, I would prefer the above paragraphs to be considered under their merits alone.

    mubs_352., just a suggestion.,   you should NOT judge a person on the basis a paragraph in a book or in his book.,  Look  at his total life and what he did.....

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #18 - August 05, 2014, 12:47 PM

    I'm not sure how you went from

    Quote from: yeezevee link=topic=27015.msg773430#msg773430
    date=1407241715]
    True every  culture' has many strengths, and weaknesses .,


    to

    Quote from: yeezevee link=topic=27015.msg773430#msg773430
    then that BOOK has no value and no place for human beings..

  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #19 - August 05, 2014, 12:47 PM

    mubs_352., just a suggestion.,   you should NOT judge a person on the basis a paragraph in a book or in his book.,  Look  at his total life and what he did.....


    What he wrote either has merit or doesnt, and that doesnt change depending on who wrote it.
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #20 - August 05, 2014, 12:48 PM

    Whether Gunther was a racist or not, I would prefer the above paragraphs to be considered under their merits alone.

    What merits are those?

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #21 - August 05, 2014, 12:49 PM

    Oh O.K you don't know about him., I am sure you have not read that book carefully., It appears you are just fascinated by his fascination of "Indo-european-nordic" superior culture/thoughts/religions gods.. whatever and  that Nordic Race as "Ideal Type",  

    but I think you didn't know  that he lived  between February 16, 1891 – September 25, 1968 and  our hero Hitler himself was involved in Gunther's appointment and the then German National Socialist party., ..  


    I have read that book very carefully more than once, I have it at home, I told you. Its not really about race it is about INDO-EUROPEAN RELIGION, a religion which is now mostly extinct hence the book does a good job in explaining it.
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #22 - August 05, 2014, 12:50 PM

    Yes..   good points.. good point  mubs_352., but i have other things to do., Type those one liners good points, I will respond to you..

    with best regards
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #23 - August 05, 2014, 12:51 PM

    What merits are those?


    It should be merited on its accuracy in portraying the Indo-European religious values alone. I believe he has done a decent job comparing the different IE cultures and presenting a coherent view of them. Chapter 2 is quite good I think.
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #24 - August 05, 2014, 12:54 PM

    I have read that book very carefully more than once, I have it at home, I told you. Its not really about race it is about INDO-EUROPEAN RELIGION, a religion which is now mostly extinct hence the book does a good job in explaining it.

    Hang the fuck on. Hinduism is an Indo-European religion and is far from extinct. Also, it's only one of the ones that has existed. IOW, there is no such thing as "INDO-EUROPEAN RELIGION" in the sense of "a religion". There might have been once upon a time, about 5,000 years ago, but hasn't been for millennia. It fragmented ages ago, into a range of religions with a range of characteristics.

    ETA: This fragmentation happened before written history too, so we have bugger all idea what was going on way back then.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #25 - August 05, 2014, 12:56 PM

    Indo-European is not a race. It refers to a linguist group stretching from India to North-Wester Europe and beyond. Obviously a person from Scandinavia cannot be the same 'race' as a person from India. Assuming that 'race' is even a definable term.

    The writer also uses quotes from Germanic, Greek, Latin and Indian so this is quite diverse.

    Whether Gunther was a racist or not, I would prefer the above paragraphs to be considered under their merits alone.


    Im sure mubsy that whatever points you wanted to make about the religious experiences of the Indo-Europeans could've been better made with a reference to a book not written by an utter and complete wanker.

    Just what wisdom did you seek to accrue from this outdated piece of shit?

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #26 - August 05, 2014, 12:57 PM

    Yes..   good points.. good point  mubs_352., but i have other things to do., Type those one liners good points, I will respond to you..

    with best regards
    yeezevee


     Cheesy  Cheesy you can be a right bitch sometimes  Cheesy  Cheesy

     Afro

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #27 - August 05, 2014, 12:59 PM

    It's not 'a piece of shit' as I myself learnt alot from it regarding the VALUES of IE cultures/religions.

    There are a few passages in the book that pissed my off too, with it's Nordic supremacy, but I stll found much of it interesting and valuable.
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #28 - August 05, 2014, 01:02 PM

    Hang the fuck on. Hinduism is an Indo-European religion and is far from extinct. Also, it's only one of the ones that has existed. IOW, there is no such thing as "INDO-EUROPEAN RELIGION" in the sense of "a religion". There might have been once upon a time, about 5,000 years ago, but hasn't been for millennia. It fragmented ages ago, into a range of religions with a range of characteristics.

    ETA: This fragmentation happened before written history too, so we have bugger all idea what was going on way back then.


    The Book is called The Religious Attituds of the Indo Europeans for a reason.
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #29 - August 05, 2014, 01:06 PM

    Ok, so Chapter 2 is especially good, is it?

    Quote
    Indo-European religiosity is not slavery, it contains none of the implorings of a downtrodden slave to his all-powerful lord, but comprises rather the confiding fulfilment of a community comprising Gods and men. Plato speaks in his Banquet of a mutual community  between Gods and men. The Teuton was certain of the friendship of his God. In the Bhagavad Gita of the Indians (IV, 3) the God Krishna calls the man Arjuna his friend. The highest deity such as Zeus is honoured as Father of the Gods and of men as a family father, as Zeus Herkeios, not as a despot. This idea is also expressed in the names of the Gods: Djaus pitar with the Indians and Jupiter with the Romans. The name of the Indian God Mitra, which corresponded to Mithra in Iran, means friend. Mazdaism, founded by Zoroaster, called the morally acting man a friend of Ahura Mazda. According to Plato the man of moderation and self-control is above all a friend of God.

    This is piffle, balderdash and codswallop. The pagan gods were legendary (ha) for being capricious and cruel whenever they felt like it. They demanded sacrifices, including human sacrifices, and even then wouldn't guarantee good results. It wasn't all cuddly teddy bears and convivial beers down the local. There were plenty of legends about gods fucking with men if they thought the men were being too cheeky. The picture presented by your guru is far from accurate.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
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