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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #30 - August 11, 2014, 09:47 AM
    Cameron will lose polls because of neglecting ethnic minority:  Says Warsi



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    LONDON: Prime Minister David Cameron’s Conservatives would lose next year’s election because they had neglected ethnic minority voters, Britain’s first Muslim cabinet minister who resigned over the government’s Gaza policy, warned on Sunday.

    Sayeeda Warsi, a former Foreign Office minister who has played a key role in the Conservatives’ appeal to Muslim voters, last week embarrassed Mr Cameron by resigning via Twitter over what she said was the government’s “morally indefensible” approach to the conflict between Israel and Hamas.

    On Sunday she dominated the front pages of Britain’s newspapers again, this time warning that what she called Mr Cameron’s neglect of ethnic minority voters would cost him an outright victory at next year’s national election.

    “The electoral reality is that we will not win outright Conservative majorities until we start attracting more of the ethnic vote,” she said in an interview with the Sunday Times and Independent on Sunday newspapers.

    “We’ve probably left it a little too late to take this part of the electorate seriously.”

    The criticism from Ms Warsi, the daughter of Pakistani immigrants to Britain who speaks fluent Urdu, Punjabi and Gujarati, will hit a sore spot for Mr Cameron.

    well she should move  out  join that other party .. THE LABOR PARTY and become again a Baroness ..

    These unelected lords, Baronesses and Bishops and..  and that  whole UK electoral system need to be reevaluated...  That is UK politics

      best thing to do is get Sharia going in that country .. that will set everything..
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #31 - August 11, 2014, 06:25 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on August 10, 2014, 09:23 PM
    That applies generically and no-one said anything to dispute that.

    The points that were made were specific to identity politics and her particular ethnicity. This particular charade is specific to Warsi and others like her. 


    Ok- interesting. Which 'others like her' specifically and which politicians from a minority or ethnic group are exceptions to your argument or can demonstrate that they don't pander to their demographic or support base in that way? Is someone like Dianne Abbot Ok?
    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #32 - August 11, 2014, 08:39 PM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 10, 2014, 02:04 PM
    I think she definitely is a career focused politician (like many out there) but at the same time when youngsters see a woman out there of muslim/Pakistani heritage reach cabinet/ministerial level then that in itself is a good thing. She has been a positive role model in my eyes.

    This is third world politics. This exactly is what happens in India and you know the impact on Indian politics - division based on caste and creed. In India it is called "vote bank" politics - a big disaster and the reason behind the election of BJP and massive defeat for the Congress. Then don't complain if all whites gang up behind a "white" leader.
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #33 - August 11, 2014, 08:42 PM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 11, 2014, 06:25 PM
    Ok- interesting. Which 'others like her' specifically and which politicians from a minority or ethnic group are exceptions to your argument or can demonstrate that they don't pander to their demographic or support base in that way? Is someone like Dianne Abbot Ok?


    I don't know whether you're playing the village idiot or are just plain ignorant.
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #34 - August 11, 2014, 09:40 PM
    I don't know whether you're being belligerent for no good reason or are just being plain rude, but let's try and keep the personal insults down to a minimum, eh?
    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #35 - August 11, 2014, 09:44 PM
    I agree toor.  thnkyu parrot
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #36 - August 11, 2014, 09:45 PM
    Neither belligerent nor rude I'm afraid. Personal insults down to a minimum? Sure, but that wasn't a personal insult for the sake of a personal insult it was in reply to his/her/its inability to understand a point. That's the inernet right there or you.
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #37 - August 11, 2014, 10:14 PM
    Jedi, the rules here are to keep personal insults out of discussions. People may cross the line because of passionate debate, but once its been pointed out, there's no need for it to continue. Please appreciate that.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #38 - August 12, 2014, 07:00 PM
    Quote from: Jedi
    I don't know whether you're playing the village idiot or are just plain ignorant.

    This clearly is a personal insult. We resort to insulting people and name calling when we feel that we are loosing the argument - a normal reaction when we feel frustrated.

    Quote from: Jedi
    Neither belligerent nor rude I'm afraid. Personal insults down to a minimum? Sure, but that wasn't a personal insult for the sake of a personal insult it was in reply to his/her/its inability to understand a point. That's the inernet right there or you.

    Sign of frustration. Perhaps, For your inability to get your point across? Can't you try again?

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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #39 - August 12, 2014, 07:57 PM
    Ram, there's no need to provoke him either. Let's keep it on topic, everyone.
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #40 - August 12, 2014, 07:59 PM
    No need to prolong the sniping Ram, just give it a rest now
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #41 - August 12, 2014, 08:26 PM
    Quote from: billy on August 11, 2014, 10:14 PM
    Jedi, the rules here are to keep personal insults out of discussions. People may cross the line because of passionate debate, but once its been pointed out, there's no need for it to continue. Please appreciate that.




    Noted. No insult was intended.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #42 - August 17, 2014, 02:22 PM
    It's fine folks. I'm a big boy and this is the internet.  Things get said that you don't always like. Minority opinions are often met with hostility in a crowd too- ex muslims, muslims, agnostics, atheists etc- we all do it. I've seen in it real life & on the net.  Would have been nice to actually have got an answer to my question though and a clear demonstration of how exactly my post was showing ignorance. I often shut my gob when I encounter responses that show intelligence & insight which I'm afraid Jedi's posts in this thread did not exhibit IMO. (NO OFFENCE)
    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #43 - August 18, 2014, 07:28 AM
    The UK government has shown no ability at all to condemn Israel for attacking civilians in Gaza, so if I were in her shoes I would resign too.  Good for her.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #44 - August 18, 2014, 09:22 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on August 18, 2014, 07:28 AM
    The UK government has shown no ability at all to condemn Israel for attacking civilians in Gaza, so if I were in her shoes I would resign too.  Good for her.

    I would have fully supported her if either she was a Non-Muslim peer or if she was ELECTED POLITICIAN in U.K. or  she didn't play this Islam identity   political game  in UK
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #45 - August 18, 2014, 10:13 AM
    You don't support her becauses she's a muslim?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #46 - August 18, 2014, 10:26 AM
    I would guess Yeez doesn't fully trust a Muslim parliamentarian to be unbiased on the Gaza issue.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #47 - August 18, 2014, 10:29 AM
    I think its a bit telling that a muslim is the only one who has the guts to resign over this government's disgraceful policy.  Maybe Britain needs more muslims in government.   Tongue
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #48 - August 18, 2014, 10:48 AM
    Quote
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on August 18, 2014, 10:13 AM
    You don't support her becauses she's a muslim?

    Quote from: Lilyesque on August 18, 2014, 10:26 AM
    I would guess Yeez doesn't fully trust a Muslim parliamentarian to be unbiased on the Gaza issue.


    you two guys missed these  words in that post
    Quote from: yeezevee on August 18, 2014, 09:22 AM
    I would have fully supported her if either she was a Non-Muslim peer or if she was ELECTED POLITICIAN in U.K. or  she didn't play this Islam identity   political game  in UK

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #49 - August 18, 2014, 11:36 AM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 17, 2014, 02:22 PM
    It's fine folks. I'm a big boy and this is the internet.  Things get said that you don't always like. Minority opinions are often met with hostility in a crowd too- ex muslims, muslims, agnostics, atheists etc- we all do it. I've seen in it real life & on the net.  Would have been nice to actually have got an answer to my question though and a clear demonstration of how exactly my post was showing ignorance. I often shut my gob when I encounter responses that show intelligence & insight which I'm afraid Jedi's posts in this thread did not exhibit IMO. (NO OFFENCE)


    Glad you feel better about yourself bigboy. A very measured and grown up response.

    Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 11, 2014, 06:25 PM
    Ok- interesting. Which 'others like her' specifically and which politicians from a minority or ethnic group are exceptions to your argument or can demonstrate that they don't pander to their demographic or support base in that way? Is someone like Dianne Abbot Ok?


    I was talking specifically about Baroness Warsi who uses her Muslim card and Ethnicity when she sees fit. Galloway (which I specifically mentioned, perhaps you'd like his address too) does the same thing as he panders to the Muslims and uses the same kind of subcontinent rhetoric in Bradford, not to mention the allegations of voter fraud and racketeering by Muslim councillors in certain boroughs, which has been covered nationally (research it yourself if you're interested). I've experienced it first hand and seen it too when councillors say elect more Muslims in power.  The problem is greater amongst councillors since they really directly upon a particular ward (community) in their region.

    That other ethnicities do it too or that other representatives, MPs and councillors may pander to their particular demographic is completely irrelvant to the point that this thread is making. I actually did mentioned this as well:

    Quote
    That applies generically and no-one said anything to dispute that.


    I too often shut my gob when people show the skill of actually reading what someone wrote and understanding it rather than inferring what someone wrote and asking a question based upon something that the person in question never said nor assuming that a person holds a particular position without having having asked him or her about it first.
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #50 - August 18, 2014, 11:40 AM
    Quote from: yeezevee on August 18, 2014, 10:48 AM

    you two guys missed these  words in that post


    I didn't but just addressed the fact that she is a non-elected peer in the Lords.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #51 - August 18, 2014, 11:47 AM
    So what about the several hundred other unelected members of the UK parliament?   parrot

    How many of them have resigned on  the grounds of Britain's policy in the middle east?  None to zero, I expect, and yet in all conscience they should all resign.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #52 - August 18, 2014, 11:55 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on August 18, 2014, 11:47 AM
    So what about the several hundred other unelected members of the UK parliament?   parrot

    How many of them have resigned on  the grounds of Britain's policy in the middle east?  None to zero, I expect, and yet in all conscience they should all resign.

    No..no..no NOT resign .,  .. All should be thrown out of that UK Parliament in to that River  Thames.   . They became black holes sucking free salary and freebees   

    and..and PAY THE THE DAMN TAXES instead of donating to the party to become life long peer or deer in parliament on the basis of donations or religion 
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #53 - August 18, 2014, 12:04 PM
    They can't really throw members of the House of Lords into the Thames, yeezevee.  Its a shame they can't, it would have solved an awful lot of problems a long time ago, but they can't. 

    An arms embargo against Israel and a motion to condemn them at the UN for their current actions might be a start though.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #54 - August 18, 2014, 12:10 PM
    The peer system in the UK is messed up and I have no doubt that many are funders to political parties and have a degree of whipping on them. The hereditaries are highly unlikely to sacrifice their standings for ethical reasons and it will only be those with strong community reasons that will resign about things like this, it is not surprising that Warsi did so given her history in parliament and the things she has done or put into place. In the Gaza thing she might be right, but her bias isn't necessarily a productive approach to dealing with the situation. As is always the case though sometimes people you don't generally agree with will do something which you do agree with or at least see the benefits of them doing so. I do not like identity politics which she does because I think it is divisive and leads to lack of cohesion. A non-elected peer should have no say on government policy beyond that of scrutiny in the Lords IMO; she does not have a electoral mandate to do so.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #55 - August 18, 2014, 12:16 PM
    Whatever her shortcomings, she was right to resign.  Britain should be using all means possible to protest against the torture of the civilian population of Gaza.  And as they aren't apparently up to that task, Baroness Warsi was right to resign from the British government.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #56 - August 18, 2014, 12:32 PM
    Warsi is a truly awful woman, an ego out of control, who played the communalism card during her tenure in a very sly way. Her attacks on secularism were profoundly odious and stupid, and Britain is better off without her anywhere near political administration. her appointment shows the abject failure of David Cameron, and his lame attempts at tokenism, as well as his own poor judge of character.

    Having said that, her gesture of resignation should be taken at face value as a point of principle. Now shuffle away off the scene of public life.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #57 - August 18, 2014, 12:40 PM
    She is an awful woman, but she is still right.  Her example should be followed by every other principled member of the Cabinet. 

    There are , of course, no people who fit into that category.  And the Irish government is just as bad, 
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #58 - August 18, 2014, 02:34 PM
    No doubt the peerage system is corrupt and anti-democratic. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/08/david-cameron-spotlight-lordships-given-tory-party-donors

    It is a bloody shame that we have this two-tier system at all as the HoL is based upon privilege and nepotism. This tradition has unfortunately carried on with so-called 'experts' and public figures being rewarded with peerages. If those experts and public figures wsh to make decisions on public policy then let them seek democratic representation without buying themselves into the system.

    Resigning is the best thing Warsi has done. That she resigned on a principle that she no doubt held dear to her heart makes the resignation all the more welcome. There is one less person to whip up certain communities into a frenzy over secularism and one less advocate for free schools, faith schools and soft shariah (whether social, legal or economic) in this country.
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #59 - August 18, 2014, 02:38 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on August 18, 2014, 02:34 PM
     the peerage system . http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/08/david-cameron-spotlight-lordships-given-tory-party-donors


    Look at this   fucking  list of  living peers and deers of UK parliament  and apparently it is not term  limited   BUT LIFE LONG.. what the hell..

    http://www.breitbart.com/breitbart-london     Hmm  i am just curious about that breitbart.com ..
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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
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