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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     OP - August 10, 2014, 08:14 AM
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    Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities

    The former Conservative chairman, Baroness Warsi, says her party will not win the next election unless it does more to attract ethnic minority voters.

    She resigned as a government minister over the UK's policy on Gaza last week but has now broadened her criticisms.

    Lady Warsi told the Sunday Times and Independent on Sunday the Tories had left it "a little late" to woo ethnic minorities for the next election.

    Tory MP Nadhim Zahawi said it was sad Lady Warsi felt the way she did.

    Lady Warsi became the first female Muslim cabinet minister when David Cameron took office in 2010.

    'Shifting' leadership
    In her newspaper interviews she also criticised "bitchy" male colleagues and repeated her anger at the government's handling of the fighting in Gaza.

    She said: "I will be out there, vocally fighting for an outright Conservative majority.

    "But the electoral reality is that we will not win outright Conservative majorities until we start attracting more of the ethnic vote."

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    “Some of the bitchiest women I've ever met in my life are the men in politics”

    Baroness Warsi
    Lady Warsi said she was one of David Cameron's earliest supporters in 2005, thinking: "This is a guy who gets today's Britain. He's a new kind of Conservative. He's comfortable with today's Britain".

    But she added: "I think the party has shifted since then. The party leadership has shifted since then. I think over time it will be a regressive move because we have to appeal to all of Britain, not just because it's morally the right thing to do... but because it is an electoral reality.

    "We've probably left it a little too late to take this part of the electorate seriously."

    BBC political correspondent Iain Watson says the Conservatives won a 36% share of the vote at the last election, but gained the support of just 16% of ethnic minority voters.

    The Number 10 policy unit had been looking at ways to narrow this gap, and changes to stop-and-search laws were partly motivated by the concerns of ethnic minority voters, he added.

    Rejecting criticisms that she was not up to her job, Lady Warsi said she was a "brown, working-class woman from the North. People have been telling me I'm not good enough since the day I was born".

    She also said that "some of the bitchiest women I've ever met in my life are the men in politics".

    And she called on the government to "recognise Palestine as a state" and impose an arms embargo on Israel.

    She also criticised Chancellor George Osborne and chief whip Michael Gove for not using their "very, very close" relations with the Israeli government to help end the hostilities.

    "What is the point of having that strong relationship if you can't use it to move them to a position which is in their interests and our interests?"

    She also rejected Mr Osborne's claim that her resignation had been "unnecessary".

    She said: "My actions would not have been necessary if he had done what he should have done, which is pick up the phone to people he is incredibly close to and say: 'It's unnecessary for you to meet your ends by taking out power stations, taking out homes, taking out schools and killing kids on beaches'."'


    Such wow! Much identity politics!

    Ethnic minorities are likely to be more conservative in nature, therefore manifesto promises if taking this into account would likely be full of a lack of progression and may even be regressive. Focusing on ethnic divides in my opinion creates further divides and ghettoises people.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #1 - August 10, 2014, 10:49 AM
    Warsi is an idiot.
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #2 - August 10, 2014, 10:51 AM
    Indeed she is!
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #3 - August 10, 2014, 11:04 AM
    Warsi is the kind of person who would decry the fact that the BNP would directly appeal to white voters, however when Warsi uses the Gaza crisis as a rallying call for 'ethnic minorities' the similitude escapes her. Also, aren't there white people that are frustrated with Cameron over his lack of competent leadership in relation to the Gaza massacre 2014?

    It is precisely this type of identity politics that the likes of Galloway exploit in Bradford and elswhere and the idiotic backward mentality of some communities leads them to vote for a politician simply because he/she appeals to the Muslim/Pakistani masses.

    'Vote for him because he is Muslim a Sikh or Bengali. Anybody but someone who is not one of us irrespective of how superior his/her policies are compared to those of our own.'

    Dividing the antion based upon ethnicity is a very dangerous idea. It's the centenary for goodness sake! Haven't you silly politicians learnt anything?

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    Rejecting criticisms that she was not up to her job, Lady Warsi said she was a "brown, working-class woman from the North. People have been telling me I'm not good enough since the day I was born".


    What terrible parents she must've had.
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #4 - August 10, 2014, 02:04 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on August 10, 2014, 10:49 AM
    Warsi is an idiot.


    I think she definitely is a career focused politician (like many out there) but at the same time when youngsters see a woman out there of muslim/Pakistani heritage reach cabinet/ministerial level then that in itself is a good thing. She has been a positive role model in my eyes.
    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #5 - August 10, 2014, 02:23 PM
    I'm inspired by people, not a skin colour, ethnicity or gender. I do not admire people simply for occupying a position - it's what they do that counts.
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #6 - August 10, 2014, 02:24 PM
    ^ yes
    Exactly.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #7 - August 10, 2014, 02:47 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on August 10, 2014, 02:23 PM
    I'm inspired by people, not a skin colour, ethnicity or gender. I do not admire people simply for occupying a position - it's what they do that counts.


    Hear, hear Jedi!
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #8 - August 10, 2014, 06:04 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on August 10, 2014, 02:23 PM
    I'm inspired by people, not a skin colour, ethnicity or gender. I do not admire people simply for occupying a position - it's what they do that counts.


    What did you want her to do?
    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #9 - August 10, 2014, 06:19 PM
    she really is full of delusional hot air and pomposity

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #10 - August 10, 2014, 06:24 PM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 10, 2014, 06:04 PM
    What did you want her to do?

    well you said it already Homo Sapien 
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 10, 2014, 02:04 PM
    I think she definitely is a career focused politician (like many out there) but at the same time when youngsters see a woman out there of muslim/Pakistani heritage reach cabinet/ministerial level then that in itself is a good thing. She has been a positive role model in my eyes.


    There you go..  but I would have made her as role model if she didn't use THAT TAG to get what she got..
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #11 - August 10, 2014, 07:04 PM
    Quote from: billy on August 10, 2014, 06:19 PM
    she really is full of delusional hot air and pomposity




    Just like a lot of Tories
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #12 - August 10, 2014, 07:15 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on August 10, 2014, 06:24 PM
    well you said it already Homo Sapien 
    There you go..  but I would have made her as role model if she didn't use THAT TAG to get what she got..


    Your jealous.
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #13 - August 10, 2014, 07:29 PM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 10, 2014, 07:04 PM
    Just like a lot of Tories


    Like a lot of politicians, yes. But she is particularly full of it. Many reasons why, Jedi has made some good points, but her attacks on secularism were particularly ignorant and pernicious.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #14 - August 10, 2014, 07:51 PM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 10, 2014, 06:04 PM
    What did you want her to do?


    It's irrelevant what I'd want her to do, especially now since she's no longer in the position that was once handed to her. Her 'tokenism' did nothing to inspire me. The point is that her comments and actions reflect that she pandered to a partciular demographic that is profoundly ignorant of politics out of their cultural context and played up the fact that she was a 'brown, working class pakistani woman' when she supposedly represents people who don't fit into that mold. Community cohesion cannot be achieved when the person sought to promote it focuses obsessively on pakistani muslim communities for political gain and further divides communities by undermining Britain's secular values. Sikhs, Poles, Nigerians, atheists need to feel integrated too. Unfortunately it appears as though that certain people are promoted to positions of power so that the Man in Charge can say 'look we're not racist we've got a brown face in our party'. That wouldn't be so bad if the person promoted didn't play up to the fact at almost every opportunity and used her religion and ethnicity to score political points or gain election votes. I'd say that is the politics of the subcontinent being imported into this country and it achieves nothing but to infantilise the masses by subdividing them into tribes/ghettos and they vote not based upon merit but identity. Anyone who loves democratic principles, msut abhor this diabolical practice.
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #15 - August 10, 2014, 08:21 PM


    there are lots of black and Asian politicians in parliament who are gaining prominence - and they are elected, and have a mandate.

    Warsi is unelected - a product of Cameron's desire to have a token ethnic minority face, and the absurd House of Lords system of political appointees

    there will be more elected MPs  from ethnic minorities in the next parliamentary intake next year worthy of respect and inspiration.

    Warsi was truly reactionary on issues of secularism, actively attacking secularism, and promoted religious privilege in public life. Behind it all lay a sense of religious communalist identity politics. And now there remains an enormous sense of entitlement that is entirely unwarranted. Good for her for her principled stance on resigning, but I frankly say 'good riddance'

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #16 - August 10, 2014, 08:25 PM
    I personally can't ever support her stance against secularism. I'll be honest- I wasn't even aware of it but that's partly why I come on here. To get a different perspective, listen and learn.
    At the same time though, I guess she was doing what most politicians do- what you call pandering to her demographic she would probably cite as representing the interests of her community in her position of influence and that is rightly or wrongly probably why she was handed the peerage and not just tokenism as you say.  It's not entirely unreasonable for her to focus on the interests of the community she came from and your point equating it to the importation of sub continent politics is unfair. . It's what an elected representative would also do for their constituents if they were representing a place like Bradford or Luton.
    Also, her 'tokenism' might not inspire you personally but I do think her mere presence at that top level can & does inspire a lot of young people out there and that was my initial point.
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #17 - August 10, 2014, 08:28 PM
    She had no demographic. She's unelected.

    There are black and Asian MPs who don't attack secularism, who don't view themselves as seeking special privileges for Islam. She spent her final year lobbying for sharia finance and sharia this and that. She signed memorandums with the OIC who seek to get resolutions passed banning 'criticism of religion', a de facto blasphemy law, at the UN and other forums.

    She made it her agenda to incite Christian victimhood identity politics because then she figured it would be easier to promote Islamic identity politics. Good riddance to her.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #18 - August 10, 2014, 08:30 PM
    The point is though that she was never voted in in the first place therefore she shouldn't be trying to serve her minority as her minority didn't vote for her in the first place.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #19 - August 10, 2014, 08:36 PM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 10, 2014, 08:25 PM
    It's not entirely unreasonable for her to focus on the interests of the community she came from and your point equating it to the importation of sub continent politics is unfair. . It's what an elected representative would also do for their constituents if they were representing a place like Bradford or Luton.


    I fail to see what her resigning over conflict thousands of miles away has to do with 'the interests of her community'. The problem with UK Muslims is that they have this make-believe Islamic 'Ummah' identity which means they are more interested in a foreign conflict than their own communities. This is exactly the type of irrational 'identity' politics that distracts these communities from focusing on local issues and bettering themselves.

    Sayeeda Warsi's resignation is entirely consistent with this 'Ummah' identity and good riddance I say.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #20 - August 10, 2014, 08:48 PM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 10, 2014, 08:25 PM
     It's not entirely unreasonable for her to focus on the interests of the community she came from and your point equating it to the importation of sub continent politics is unfair. . It's what an elected representative would also do for their constituents if they were representing a place like Bradford or Luton.


    It's entirely warranted and not just that, it MUST be pointed out because politicians like Warsi and Galloway prey on identity politics and act like the cronies in Pakistan village 'elections'. They insist on pandering to cultural-religious identities and gloss over issues in a superficial manner. They are making a mockery of our democratic system and manipulate the masses for their own political ends.

    Like you I applaud her stance on Gaza. Unfortunately, like Billy, I think that her greatest contribution to political life is resigning.
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #21 - August 10, 2014, 08:49 PM
    Quote from: mubs_352 on August 10, 2014, 08:36 PM
    I fail to see what her resigning over conflict thousands of miles away has to do with 'the interests of her community'. The problem with UK Muslims is that they have this make-believe Islamic 'Ummah' identity which means they are more interested in a foreign conflict than their own communities. This is exactly the type of irrational 'identity' politics that distracts these communities from focusing on local issues and bettering themselves.

    Sayeeda Warsi's resignation is entirely consistent with this 'Ummah' identity and good riddance I say.


    At least she resigned in a noble manner.
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #22 - August 10, 2014, 08:54 PM
    Noble, or timely and opportunistic?
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #23 - August 10, 2014, 08:57 PM
    You don't know mubs_352 do you David? Read up on him and you'll get the witty reference that Jedi made.  Cheesy
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #24 - August 10, 2014, 09:03 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on August 10, 2014, 08:48 PM
    It's entirely warranted and not just that, it MUST be pointed out because politicians like Warsi and Galloway prey on identity politics and act like the cronies in Pakistan village 'elections'. They insist on pandering to cultural-religious identities and gloss over issues in a superficial manner. They are making a mockery of our democratic system and manipulate the masses for their own political ends.

    Like you I applaud her stance on Gaza. Unfortunately, like Billy, I think that her greatest contribution to political life is resigning.


    Politics can be a dirty game in any country and nobody in it can ever and has ever represented the interests of all the different groups in a nation. Its always a balancing act but most elected representatives start with a support base that can be along cultural or religious lines. Nothing abnormal or unusual about that. Anyway- I'm done folks. It's goodnight from me. Peace Afro
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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #25 - August 10, 2014, 09:06 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on August 10, 2014, 08:57 PM
    You don't know mubs_352 do you David? Read up on him and you'll get the witty reference that Jedi made.  Cheesy

    Types 'mubs 352' into Google.

    Gets this.



    All is now clear.
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #26 - August 10, 2014, 09:11 PM
     Cheesy
  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #27 - August 10, 2014, 09:21 PM
    Quote from: David on August 10, 2014, 09:06 PM
    Types 'mubs 352' into Google.

    Gets this.

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    All is now clear.


    Clearer still: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=27015.0

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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #28 - August 10, 2014, 09:23 PM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 10, 2014, 09:03 PM
    Politics can be a dirty game in any country and nobody in it can ever and has ever represented the interests of all the different groups in a nation. Its always a balancing act but most elected representatives start with a support base that can be along cultural or religious lines. Nothing abnormal or unusual about that. Anyway- I'm done folks. It's goodnight from me. Peace Afro


    That applies generically and no-one said anything to dispute that.

    The points that were made were specific to identity politics and her particular ethnicity. This particular charade is specific to Warsi and others like her. 
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

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  • Baroness Warsi warns Tories over attracting ethnic minorities
     Reply #29 - August 10, 2014, 09:27 PM
    Jedi meant meant this post in particular

    Quote from: mubs_352 on August 05, 2014, 04:53 PM
    I can see that its controversial, and I said at the beginning that he was a racist. But if we stopped discussing anything just cos its controversial what would happen to this forum. I'l try and not get banned but..

    "The nobly born must nobly meet his fate"


    And for the record I dont consider Warsi's resignation noble, as it only makes sense under Ummah politics. I havent heard of any non-Muslim politician resigning over the Gaza conflict, unless I've missed it.
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