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  • Does it bother you that you might not have free will?
     OP - September 13, 2014, 06:15 AM
    After considering the other thread on materialism, I'd love to hear from the materialists on this board. I didn't want steal that thread, so I started my own.

    Do you think materialism allows for free will? Does it even bother you that you might not have free will?

    When I kick a ball, there is finite number of ways the ball can respond, taking into account the speed of my kick, the atmosphere conditions, the weight of the ball, etc. These rules are very exact. If we knew every exact attribute of the ball I kicked, we could determine exactly how the ball will behave. The ball can never break these rules.

    Our brains are made of the same particles as the ball and everything else around us, which must follow the rules of matter. Doesn't it follow that this also applies to our brains? If we knew every single factor and condition of a person, would they ever be able to respond in a way that breaks the rules?

    If free will was proven false, what would it mean for society?

    The misspelling in my name is intentional, because I'm an idiot and I can't spell properly. But I'd probably also say that even if it was a mistake. Does that clear things up?
  • Does it bother you that you might not have free will?
     Reply #1 - September 13, 2014, 06:45 AM
    Not all that much, I don't think.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Does it bother you that you might not have free will?
     Reply #2 - September 13, 2014, 11:26 AM
    This is really rather a pseudo-problem. It isn't merely enough to know everything about a person but the manner  in which collective totalities create a modified will.

    Unless you're religious, it seems rather nonsensical to accept the false dualism between free will and determinism.
  • Does it bother you that you might not have free will?
     Reply #3 - September 13, 2014, 12:00 PM
    Quote from: Villiage_Idiot on September 13, 2014, 06:15 AM
    After considering the other thread on materialism, I'd love to hear from the materialists on this board. I didn't want steal that thread, so I started my own.

    Do you think materialism allows for free will? Does it even bother you that you might not have free will?

    When I kick a ball, there is finite number of ways the ball can respond, taking into account the speed of my kick, the atmosphere conditions, the weight of the ball, etc. These rules are very exact. If we knew every exact attribute of the ball I kicked, we could determine exactly how the ball will behave. The ball can never break these rules.

    Our brains are made of the same particles as the ball and everything else around us, which must follow the rules of matter. Doesn't it follow that this also applies to our brains? If we knew every single factor and condition of a person, would they ever be able to respond in a way that breaks the rules?

    If free will was proven false, what would it mean for society?

    hmm.. why?? why you have to be a Village_Idiot ?why insult innocent  folks who live in villages ., How about City_idiot dear Village_Idiot??

    I think both  nicks are  wrong., a better one that appears to suit is "Vagabond "., incidentally Vagabond and life with free will are close related..
     
    So question really is not "Does it bother you that you might not have free will?" or whether one has free will or Not., Question is,  actions of a person based or not based on free will.,  So it is "actions"  that are important,  NOT whether one has free will or not.,  Well people may think or may   love to have free will.,   drive the life freely in all direction without traffic lights.  But is it good for the person/species? is it good for its surroundings?  And what is good and what is bad..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Does it bother you that you might not have free will?
     Reply #4 - September 13, 2014, 12:01 PM
    Beer should alwaays be taken into account when ruminating on free will.
  • Does it bother you that you might not have free will?
     Reply #5 - September 13, 2014, 12:12 PM
    If we have free will, cool, whatever. If we don't have free will, same deal. The illusion of it is so complete, after all, that we could argue forever about whether or not we have it, so I don't feel like I'm missing much. I can't imagine day-to-day life being very different in either case.
  • Does it bother you that you might not have free will?
     Reply #6 - September 13, 2014, 03:37 PM
    Even if I don't have free will it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

    I don't have control over the events taking place in my favorite novels or favorite movies either but I still really enjoy the ride.
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Does it bother you that you might not have free will?
     Reply #7 - September 14, 2014, 12:46 AM
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    hmm.. why?? why you have to be a Village_Idiot ?why insult innocent  folks who live in villages ., How about City_idiot dear Village_Idiot??


    I live in remote Australia. It's not a city.

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    If we have free will, cool, whatever. If we don't have free will, same deal. The illusion of it is so complete, after all, that we could argue forever about whether or not we have it, so I don't feel like I'm missing much. I can't imagine day-to-day life being very different in either case.


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    Even if I don't have free will it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

    I don't have control over the events taking place in my favorite novels or favorite movies either but I still really enjoy the ride.


    But if we could actually prove it false, through understanding enough of the laws of matter to predict something. What would that mean for everyday life? For example, what if we could show, without a doubt, that humans with N gene were unable to leave religion behind?
    The misspelling in my name is intentional, because I'm an idiot and I can't spell properly. But I'd probably also say that even if it was a mistake. Does that clear things up?
  • Does it bother you that you might not have free will?
     Reply #8 - September 14, 2014, 01:04 AM
    Would anything change? What could possibly?
  • Does it bother you that you might not have free will?
     Reply #9 - September 14, 2014, 01:28 AM
    Does the fact that the idea of not having free will bothers you indicate you have free will? popcorn
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Does it bother you that you might not have free will?
     Reply #10 - September 14, 2014, 12:43 PM
    I'm probably a compatibilist.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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