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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #660 - February 03, 2016, 12:20 PM

    Andrew Marsham - Public execution in the Umayyad period: early Islamic punitive practice and its late antique context

    http://www.lancaster.ac.uk/jais/volume/docs/vol11/v11_04_Marsham_101-136.pdf
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #661 - February 03, 2016, 10:53 PM

    Khodadad Rezakhani - The Arab Conquests and Sasanian Iran (Part 1)

    http://www.mizanproject.org/the-arab-conquests-and-sasanian-iran-part-1/
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #662 - February 21, 2016, 07:51 PM

    Quote from: Ian David Morris
    Let’s read Martin Hinds’ classic essay, “The Murder of the Caliph ‘Uthmān” (1972).

    https://mobile.twitter.com/iandavidmorris/status/701449595251982336
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #663 - February 24, 2016, 09:18 PM

    Khodadad Rezakhani - The Arab Conquests and Sasanian Iran (Part 2)

    http://www.mizanproject.org/the-arab-conquests-and-sasanian-iran-part-2/
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #664 - March 02, 2016, 07:00 PM

    Emran El-Badawi - Welfare or Warfare? “Jihad” between the Bible & Qur’an

    https://iqlid.wordpress.com/2016/02/29/welfare-or-warfare-jihad-between-bible-quran/
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #665 - March 02, 2016, 07:30 PM

    Carlos Segovia - The Quranic Jesus: traditional views and new insights (upcoming book)

    https://www.academia.edu/17878086/The_Quranic_Jesus_Traditional_Views_and_New_Insights_2018_Upcoming_Book
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #666 - March 15, 2016, 06:22 PM

    Articles by John C Reeves

    Some Parascriptural Dimensions of the Muslim "Tale of Harut wa-Marut"

    https://www.academia.edu/4681769/Some_Parascriptural_Dimensions_of_the_Muslim_Tale_of_Harut_wa-Marut_

    Jewish Apocalyptic Lore in Early Islam: Reconsidering the Figure of Ka'b al-Ahbar

    https://www.academia.edu/4681723/Jewish_Apocalyptic_Lore_in_Early_Islam_Reconsidering_the_Figure_of_Kab_al-Ahbar

    The Muslim Appropriation of a Biblical Text: The Messianic Dimensions of Isaiah 21:6-7

    https://www.academia.edu/4620742/The_Muslim_Appropriation_of_a_Biblical_Text_The_Messianic_Dimensions_of_Isaiah_21_6-7

    Some Explorations of the Intertwining of Bible and Qur'an

    http://www.academia.edu/4620554/Some_Explorations_of_the_Intertwining_of_Bible_and_Quran
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #667 - March 16, 2016, 04:18 PM

    Bruce Fudge - Theorizing the Qurʾanic Miracle

    http://marginalia.lareviewofbooks.org/theorizing-the-quranic-miracle-bruce-fudge/

    Other articles by Bruce Fudge

    http://unige.academia.edu/BruceFudge
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #668 - March 18, 2016, 10:58 PM

    Robert Hoyland - Seeing Islam as others saw it

    https://www.academia.edu/9547975/Seeing_Islam_as_Others_saw_it_by_Robert_G_Hoyland
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #669 - March 18, 2016, 11:01 PM

    Robert Hoyland - Arabia and the Arabs from the Bronze Age to the coming of Islam

    https://www.academia.edu/7560190/Arabia_and_the_Arabs_from_Bronze_Age_to_comming_og_Islam
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #670 - March 19, 2016, 03:10 AM

    Hoyland uploaded that whole book, 'Seeing Islam', for free? Can he do that? *Why* did he do that?
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #671 - March 19, 2016, 12:14 PM

    I think someone else uploaded it, so I'm not sure how long it will stay there.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #672 - March 20, 2016, 07:19 PM

    From the SquareKufic blog

    The biased interpretation of pre-Islamic inscriptions by Haaretz

    Arabic script before Islam: questions
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #673 - April 01, 2016, 02:25 PM

    A question fro Zaotar and Zeca (and anyone else) - please could you name your top 5 modern Quranic Studies scholars.

    i.e. People like Gabriel Reynolds.

    Thanks Smiley
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #674 - April 01, 2016, 05:45 PM

    Sure!  Note that these are true Quranic Studies scholars, not historians or specialists on Early Islam.

    1.  Gabriel Said Reynolds.
    2.  Guillaume Dye.
    3.  Manfred Kropp.
    4.  David Powers.
    5.  Nicolai Sinai.

    These are my current favorites.  This is not to say I agree with everything they write, because I certainly don't, but they are the most consistently interesting by my lights.  I would add Fred Donner and Stephen Shoemaker, but I think of them more as Early Islam guys, less of Quranic Studies guys (you could also say that Kropp is really a Semitist/Ethiopic specialist, but I think he still counts).

    If I could throw another few in there outside the top 5 .... Carlos Segovia, Gerd Puin, Tommaso Tesei, Sean Anthony, Gerald Hawting, Christoph Luxenberg.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #675 - April 01, 2016, 06:21 PM

    Zaotar gives lots of names...

    Sure!  Note that these are true Quranic Studies scholars, not historians or specialists on Early Islam.

    1.  Gabriel Said Reynolds.
    2.  Guillaume Dye.
    3.  Manfred Kropp.
    4.  David Powers.
    5.  Nicolai Sinai.  
    6. Fred Donner( more as Early Islam guys, less of Quranic Studies guys )
    7. Stephen Shoemaker,(more as Early Islam guys, less of Quranic Studies guys)
    8. Kropp  (a Semitist/Ethiopic specialist, but I think he still counts).
    9. Carlos Segovia,
    10. Gerd Puin,
    11. Tommaso Tesei,
    12. Sean Anthony,
    13. Gerald Hawting,
    14. Christoph Luxenberg.


    Hello Zaotar when you say experts of Quranic studies.,you mean to say they explored,    ...... the origins of Quran,  who wrote it?   how and where each and every Arabic word that we seen in Quran originated??  and their linguistic analysis??  

     Or "experts of Quranic studies" means something else?

     and what actually do you mean by "True Quranic Studies Scholars??  surprising thing is that list has no Muslim name in it..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #676 - April 01, 2016, 07:11 PM

    By true Quranic Studies scholars, I just mean scholars who focus on analyzing the Qur'an itself, as a textual corpus, rather than Islamic history, or other aspects of Islamic studies (like the hadith, sirah, etc.).

    That's also why I exclude Ahmad Al-Jallad, who by my lights is far and away the best scholar doing work on the linguistic aspects of Arabic.  He writes about quranic Arabic, but just as part of his general linguistic projects.

    Honestly I am not aware of many Muslims who are currently writing interesting critical academic analysis of the Qur'an (this may just be a deficiency in my knowledge, of course, also my unfamiliarity with Arabic-language critical literature).  Looking back at my post, the one clear omission in that context is probably Behnam Sadeghi, and I would add him to the second list.  Emran El-Badawi also doing interesting work, although frankly I have no idea how 'Muslim' either is.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #677 - April 02, 2016, 12:48 AM

    If we are talking about people currently alive, and for what they've done specifically on the Qur'an (throwing in early tafsir):

    1. Gabriel Said Reynolds
    2. Andrew Rippin
    3. Robert Gregg (with a bullet, as the Americans say; I just got "Shared Stories" and I love it)
    4. AH Mathias Zahniser
    5. Reuven Firestone

    Neal Robinson is (very) honourable mention for the sura 5 essay he did, 'Hands Outstretched'; Kevin van Bladel for his sura 18 look, 'The Alexander Legend'. Also Devin Stewart, Behnam Sadeghi, Nicolai Sinai, Adam Silverstein, Shawkat Toorawa, Emran Badawi.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #678 - April 02, 2016, 10:59 PM

    Thanks guys <3
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #679 - April 03, 2016, 10:59 AM

    I'd defer to Zaotar and Zimriel on this as I'm not really any kind of expert, though Gabriel Said Reynolds is the name that stands out.

    Zimriel mentioned Neal Robinson's 'Hands Outstretched' which is online here:

    https://archive.org/stream/HandsOutstretchedTowardsARe-readingOfSuratAl-maida/RobinsonNealHandsOutstretchedTowardsARe-readingOfSuratAl-maidaJournalOfQuranicStudies3i2001_djvu.txt

    Also Neal Robinson's book 'Discovering the Qur'an, a contemporary approach to a veiled text'

    http://islam-and-muslims.com/DISCOVERING-QURAN-Robinson.PDF
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #680 - April 03, 2016, 11:20 AM

    Ian David Morris tweeting on Luxenberg: https://mobile.twitter.com/iandavidmorris/status/716259505525362688
    Quote
    Christoph Luxenberg’s re-reading of Qur’anic houris as grapes is notorious, but widely discredited by specialists. Let’s take a look.

    Does this seem like a fair criticism of Luxenberg? (I haven't read him myself)
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #681 - April 03, 2016, 03:50 PM

    3. Robert Gregg (with a bullet, as the Americans say; I just got "Shared Stories" and I love it)

    Robert Gregg introducing 'Shared Stories':
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AlbRHmpfhpw
    Shared Stories, Rival Tellings: Early Encounters of Jews, Christians, and Muslims
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #682 - April 04, 2016, 03:28 AM

    Ian David Morris tweeting on Luxenberg: https://mobile.twitter.com/iandavidmorris/status/716259505525362688Does this seem like a fair criticism of Luxenberg? (I haven't read him myself)


    Excessive in my mind.  Luxenberg is *clearly* wrong in many respects, Morris is right about that.  The Qur'an certainly uses hur'in to refer to women, in an intentionally sexual sense.  However the leading 'Arabic' reading of hur'in ('big white eyes'), meaning beautiful women, is pretty much gibberish to my mind, and Morris seems sympathetic the (to my mind exceedingly unconvincing and forced) Devin Stewart attempt to explain it this way.

    So if both the Arabic and Syriac explanations for this curious development suck, as I feel to be the case, then what are we to do with the houris?

    Morris criticizes Luxenberg for arguing that the concept of virginal houris can be traced back to a Persian influence, arguing that Luxenberg's citation does not support that.  He further says Luxenberg doesn't cite his claim that the Arabic usage is a borrowing from Syriac.  Whether his citations make these points or not, I cannot say, but Arthur Jeffery quite cogently explained the entire usage as a *Persian borrowing through Aramaic*, in his epochal book on the foreign vocabulary of the Qur'an, and given that most of the Qur'an's paradisal imagery shows an intensive Persian influence, Jeffery's argument appears quite likely to me.  Link!  https://archive.org/details/foreignvocabular030753mbp

    Jeffery (p. 120)   "it does seem certain that the word hur, in its sense of whiteness, and used of fair-skinned damsels, came into use among the Northern Arabs as a borrowing from the Christian communities and that Muhammad, under the influence of the Iranian (sorry can't transliterate Pahlavi) used it of the maidens of Paradise."

    The houris appear very early in the Qur'an, and because Luxenberg wants to argue that these early texts are essentially Christian texts that have been misread (which cannot have a sexual paradise!), he sees the idea of houris as virginal women being essentially impossible on dogmatic grounds.  But he's surely wrong on that.  They really are designating sexualized female beings at the earliest juncture, no misreadings.  Conversely, there is a powerful current of academia that wants to see the houris as an essentially internal Arabic development, despite the fact that the arguments for this, to resort to colloquialism, flat-out suck; they are just as weak as Luxenberg's approach.  In my book it is clear that the Ephremic paradisal imagery was *dogmatically transformed* such that even by the earliest stages of quranic composition the Ephremic *sexual paradisal metaphors* had become understood as literal sexual realities in paradise.  How this dogmatic transformation took place, and why there seems to have been such an intensive Persian influence on the process, remains one of the most fascinating and difficult questions in Qur'anic Studies!  There are no convincing theories that I've seen yet.  Feel free to volunteer some ....
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #683 - April 04, 2016, 07:10 AM

    Thanks Zaotar.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #684 - April 04, 2016, 11:41 AM

    Nassim Nicholas Taleb taking issue with Ian David Morris over Luxenberg.

    Taleb's timeline: https://mobile.twitter.com/nntaleb

    Morris's timeline: https://mobile.twitter.com/iandavidmorris
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #685 - April 04, 2016, 12:23 PM

    From his twitter feed it appears Gabriel S Reynolds is a believing christian.

    I suspect he is a liberal christian but still. Bummer     :(

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #686 - April 04, 2016, 12:32 PM

    He's a practicing Catholic as far as I can make out.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #687 - April 04, 2016, 01:48 PM

    Quote
    From his twitter feed it appears Gabriel S Reynolds is a believing christian.

    I suspect he is a liberal christian but still. Bummer     :(

    He's a practicing Catholic as far as I can make out.



    he wrote a very interesting article on the words of stubborn wonderful lady "Meriam Ibrahim"  from Sudan..

    “I AM A CHRISTIAN, AND I WILL REMAIN A CHRISTIAN” WHAT WE CAN LEARN FROM MERIAM IBRAHIM    by Gabriel Said Reynolds

    I wish rogues of Islam  and Intellectual fools in Islam like that  Greek geek  Hamza  tortilla....tortoise ..... tzortzis  ....... whatever  could learn something from her....



    that is Meriam Ibrahim, daughter of a Sudanese Muslim man and   Ethiopian Christian woman..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #688 - April 04, 2016, 04:46 PM

    Nassim Nicholas Taleb taking issue with Ian David Morris over Luxenberg.

    Taleb's timeline: https://mobile.twitter.com/nntaleb

    Morris's timeline: https://mobile.twitter.com/iandavidmorris


    Reminds me of how much I hate Twitter.  It's a deliberately superficial medium, good for superficial things, terrible for any serious analysis.

    I agree with Taleb on one thing though, which is that it's not a question of whether Luxenberg follows academic process, and it's not even a question of whether he is 'right', as if that were a binary proposition.  It's a question of evaluating the effectiveness of his explanation of the text.

    One of the most significant analytical problems in Qur'anic Studies is the inability to produce a satisfying account of the transformations/deformations of Syriac Christian tradition within the earliest surahs.  If you were to simply look at a *linguistic* perspective, setting aside everything else, it would seem that the Qur'an's conceptions of paradise were formed among Northern Arabs, pre-Muhammad, with a heavy Persian influence on a Syriac (West Syriac!) Christian base.  In fact this is quite probable to my mind --- clearly the Syriac Christian influence perceptible throughout the Qur'an migrated *southward* at some point (unless one believes the composers and audience of these recitations received that influence straight from Allah), and so can we really be surprised that this ideological movement brought many other Northern features with it?  In fact there is a good argument that the quranic paradise narratives formed first in a *Persian dominated/threatened* Northern Arab locale, before diffusing Southward.  That is why Persian linguistic influence is so curiously tied to *paradisal* narratives in the Qur'an. 

    A fabulous new article I recommend on this subject, though it's in French:  "Le bonheur auprès d’Allah ou de Khosroès?"

    https://www.academia.edu/23974839/Le_bonheur_aupr%C3%A8s_dAllah_ou_de_Khosroes_Le_faste_du_banquet_perse_dans_les_versets_paradisiaques_du_Coran

    I think it must be conceded that our *historical* understanding of the diffusion of such influences into the Qur'an remains pitifully rudimentary.  As such, it is really linguistic and theological lines of analysis that must lead the way.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #689 - April 04, 2016, 06:46 PM

    Just discovered Berkowitz Sex and Punishment .  I wonder if there was a Xian end time sect that was more open about what would happen in the new garden of Eden, and the Koran records this?




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