Hmm I missed Altara comment and it has names... Names of people living during Prophet of Islam time are very important
............ ʿAbd al-Raḥmān b. ʿAwf, Abū ʿUbaydah b. al-Jarrāḥ, and Muʿāwiyah have never seen "Muhammad" , they never mention Mecca/Medina/Zem Zem in any of what they left as documents, epigraphic, archaeologic or scribal.................
well I don't believe that .. I THIN K ALTARA IS WRONG... If they were real I am sure
they must have seen SOME Muhammad(PBUH.. some parts of Muhammad(PBUH) ., how is that possible?? after all All those three guys are
sahaba RA. But that is a different matter for now the names.. let me list them from Altara post
1.) ʿAbd al-Raḥmān b. Awf 2). ʿ Abū ʿUbaydah b al-Jarrāḥ, and 3). Muʿāwiyah So three names., who were they ? who are they today?? and I am not sure where from Altara got them in to his post but I can mention not just three names but some 100s of names of Sahaba and their stories .. I guess people living in west knows very little about Prophet's companions(PBUT)., anyways .. let us read some Islamic stories on those three guys
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1), 1.) ʿAbd al-Raḥmān b. 'Awf : So Abd al-Rahman ibn 'Awf was born in 581 CE and died in 654 CE was one of the companions of the prophet Muhammad and he is known for being one of the Ten Promised Paradise. His parents were both from the Zuhra clan of the Quraysh tribe in Mecca. His father was 'Awf ibn 'Abd-'Awf and his mother was al-Shifaa bint 'Awf His original name was Abdu Amru ("servant of Amru"). It was Muhammad who renamed him 'Abd al-Rahman ("servant of the Most Merciful").[ It is also said that his original name was Abdul Kaaba. His name has also been transliterated as Abdel Rahman Ibn Auf.
In short The grave of 'Abdul-Rahman ibn 'Awf in Amman is in Jordan ., was a Companion of Muhammad.....
Born in Mecca in the year 581 and died in present Jordan in the year 654 CE and let me remind the readers Prophet of Islam Muhammad was born in the year 571 and died in the year 632.. SO PROPHET OF ISLAM WAS A 10 YEAR OLD BOY WHEN Abdul-Rahman ibn 'Awf was born.............
2), Abū ʿUbaydah b al-Jarrāḥ. : His appearance was striking. He was slim and tall. His face was bright and he had a sparse beard. It was pleasing to look at him and refreshing to meet him. He was extremely courteous and humble and quite shy. Yet in a tough situation he would become strikingly serious and alert, resembling the flashing blade of a sword in his severity and sharpness.
He was described as the "Amin" or Custodian of Muhammad's community. His full name was Aamir ibn Abdullah ibn al-Jarrah. He was known as Abu Ubaydah. Of him Abdullah ibn Umar, one of the companions of the Prophet, said:
"Three persons in the tribe of Quraysh were most prominent, had the best character and were the most modest. If they spoke to you, they would not deceive you and if you spoke to them, they would not accuse you of Iying: Abu Bakr as-Siddiq, Uthman ibn Affan and Abu Ubaydah ibn al-Jarrah."
Abu Ubaydah was one of the first persons to accept Islam. He became a Muslim one day after Abu Bakr. In fact, it was through Abu Bakr that he became a Muslim. Abu Bakr took him, Abdur Rahman ibn Auf, Uthman ibn Maz'un and al-Arqam ibn abi al Arqam to the Prophet, upon whom be peace, and together they declared their acceptance of the Truth. They were thus the first pillars on which the great edifice of Islam was built.
Abu Ubaydah lived through the harsh experience, which the Muslims went through in Makkah, from beginning to end. With the early Muslims, he endured the insults and the violence, the pain and the sorrow of that experience. In every trial and test he remained firm and constant in his belief in God and His prophet. One of the most harrowing experiences he had to go through, however, was at the battle of Badr.
Abu Ubaydah was in the vanguard of the Muslim forces, fighting with might and main and as someone who was not at all afraid of death. The Quraysh cavalry were extremely wary of him and avoided coming face to face with him.
One man in particular, however, kept on pursuing Abu Ubaydah wherever he turned and Abu Ubaydah tried his best to keep out of his way and avoid an encounter with him.mThe man plunged into the attack. Abu Ubaydah tried desperately to avoid him. Eventually the man succeeded in blocking Abu Ubaydah's path and stood as a barrier between him and the Quraysh. They were now face to face with each other. Abu Ubaydah could not contain himself any longer. He struck one blow to the man's head. The man fell to the ground and died instantly.
Do not try to guess who this man was. It was, as stated earlier, one of the most harrowing experiences that Abu Ubaydah had to go through, how harrowing, it is almost impossible to imagine. The man in fact was Abdullah ibn al-Jarrah, the father of Abu Ubaydah! Abu Ubaydah obviously did not want to kill his father but in the actual battle between faith in God and polytheism, choice open to him was profoundly his duty to kill and it could be said that he did not kill his father., but he only killed the polytheism in the person of his father.
well That is the great story of our 2nd sahaba from Altara post.. and that is from
http://www.eislamicarabic.com/the-sahaba-stories-biographies/abu-ubaydah-ibn-al-jarrah-sahaba.html Indeed in Islam in war situation YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO KILL YOUR PARENTS.,
In fact it did happen even in 21st century... Anyways .. the third guy is our Muʿāwiyah and is very well known story .. in fact
3). Muʿāwiyah : .. precisely Muawiyah bin Abi-Sufyan was born in Mecca to Abu Sufyan ibn Harb and Hind bint Utbah (602 CE) into the Banu Umayya sub-clan of the Banu Abd-Shams clan of the Quraysh tribe. The Quraysh controlled the city of Mecca (in the west of present-day Saudi Arabia) and the Banu Abd-Shams were among the most influential of its citizens. In his youth, a stranger looked at Muawiyah and said; I think that this man will rule over his people. Upon hearing him, Hind his mother replied; May I lose him if he were to rule only over his people. His father Abu Sufyan ibn Harb struggled against Islam until Muhammad's army entered Mecca in 630.
Muawiyah, Muhammad and Ali shared the same great-great grandfather, 'Abd Manaf bin Qusay, who had four sons: Hashim, Muttalib, Nawfal, and Abdu Shams. Hashim was the great grandfather of Ali and Muhammad. Umayyah bin Abdu Shams was the great grandfather of Muawiyah..
Muawiyah and remaining members of his family were open opponents of the Muslims before the ascendancy of Muhammad. Along with his two older brothers Yazid ibn Abi Sufyan and Utbah, Muawiyah was one of the members of the hunting party of his maternal uncle Walid bin Utbah that pursue........................
Muʿāwiyah ibn Abī Sufyān; 602 – 26 April 680) was fifth caliph after the Rashidun Caliphate of Islam. His sister Ramla bint Abi Sufyan known as Umm e Habiba was married to Prophet Muhammad so he was brother in law of Prophet Muhammad. He was the first who established the Umayyad dynasty in Islam of the caliphate,[4][5] and was the second caliph from the Umayyad clan, the first being Uthman ibn Affan.
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See that ....there are so many stories on These guys ..
we can fill books and books on them and our Altara singing same song since he joined and that is .. oh hell.. you guys figure it out.. I already wrote that in a post
with best regards
yeezevee
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