Well Marc says.."Quran has no Gnosticism but Islam has Gnosticism.."
Why would you say that dear Marc?.. The simple fact that Quran says that Jesus was not crucified
proves that Quran writers borrowed that Gnostic views from Gospel of Thomas .. is it not??
and Marc responds with
It is funny because my sentence is clear but you all keep going back to the Quran. But Islam is not only the Quran, it is also the ahadith, the Sira and also the Shi'a and their multiple sects.
No...no..no... nooooo dear Marc., you are drifting away., let me explain you in detail but first thing on you statement
.........But Islam is not only the Quran, it is also the ahadith, the Sira and also the Shi'a and their multiple sects..................
off course
Islam is more than Quran., no one questions that., Every one knows including Muslim folks that
Muslims are More than Islam & Quran and Most importantly many of them are people with faith(NOT ALL) like any other faith followers .. but that was not the point of your post .,
your post in response to Altara
There are no core Gnostic concepts in the Quran, only accessories, like the concept of prophetism understood in a certain way. But this one is itself accessory to Gnose. This concept of prophetism was more or less necessary as the authors of the text needed it to build what they built in the Quran. Therefore it does not really tells anything about the authors, it is then (for me...) a waste of time...
was about Gnosticism in Quran and you said
(yawn)
You are right for the Quran but you are wrong for Islam.
and my point was Gnostic concept/statements are there in Quran .. are there in Islam .,
many Muslim folks follow Gnostic Islam with-in Islam...... That was my point., the fact we have many sufi Muslim folks will prove that ., And as far as Quran is concerned .,
there are many Quranic verses that are GNOSTIC IN NATURE..... In fact many of the verses that are connected to OT & NT stories are Gnostic.. for.e.g verses
4:158 &159 And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain .....Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.
10:30 There will every soul prove (the fruits of) the deeds it sent before: they will be brought back to Allah their rightful Lord, and their invented falsehoods will leave them in the lurch.
10:32 For that is Allah, your Lord, the Truth. And what can be beyond truth except error? So how are you averted?
18:107 Indeed, those who have believed and done righteous deeds - they will have the Gardens of Paradise as a lodging,
18:109 Say, "If the sea were ink for [writing] the words of my Lord, the sea would be exhausted before the words of my Lord were exhausted, even if We brought the like of it as a supplement.
there are plenty in Quran., and i fully agree with you that hadith has lot more Gnostic sayings than Quran
Finally saying all that I WILL ALSO SAY
The Koran is a book with full of myths, fables and fairy tales
as any other faith book on this earth
with best wishes
yeezevee
Topic: Qur'anic studies today