And en masse, these Arabs Jews, suddenly, have decided to become "muslims"?
Of course you said that. Because these Jews Arabs are the same as those who are present in Palestine in the same time and who are called (by themselves) muhajirun. These guys are never said (by the multiple attestation one have about them ) to read the Torah in Hebrew or Arabic, and pretending they are Jews. Anastasius is wrong, there is no synagogue I explained why he call that "synagogue" because he has no other word to qualify a monotheist cult which is not his and which is not pagan and which mock the Cross.
So let me summarize what I said and you will understand where you got the whole thing wrong both in your assumptions re Islam and both in describing what I said :
- Anastasius speak of Arabs
in the Sinai as the new Jews and talk about synagogs of the Arabs,
- therefore, he doesn't state that they are Jews but rather that they have a link with Judaism,
- we know also from the dialog between John the Patriarch and the Amir that some of those believed in the Torah and nothing else (yes no Quran),
- we can also read the following from one 6th century scholar :
An implausible theory—but a telling one all the same. Sozomen came from near Gaza, between the Mediterranean and the Negev, and was an experienced observer of the region. He had travelled to
Mamre, for instance, and witnessed the crowds that gathered there: he knew full well that it was not
only Christians who reverenced Abraham, but Jews and pagans too. This led him, in contrast to
Theodoret, to contemplate a quite hideous possibility. What if the Saracens’ knowledge of their
ancestry did not necessarily lead them to Christ? What if it led them in a different direction altogether?
After all, their origin being what it is, they practise circumcision like the Jews, refrain from the use of pork like the Jews, and observe many other Jewish rites and customs. That they deviate at all from the Laws of the Jewish people can only be ascribed to the lapse of time, and to the influence upon them of other, pagan peoples.95
It was a devastating insight—and had an obvious corollary. Cleanse the Arabs of their paganism,
and it might not be a Christian people at all that emerged from beneath the ordure, but something
alarmingly different: whole tribes of Jews. In fact, according to Sozomen, this had already happened:
“There are those of them who, by coming into contact with Jews, learn the truth of their origins, and
so return to the ways of their kinsmen, and are persuaded to adopt Jewish customs and laws.”Who
precisely these Jews might be, Sozomen did not think to say; but it certainly suggested that Christianity, beyond the reaches of Roman control, was not the only option available to Arabs embarked on a spiritual quest.
Tom Holland 'Shadow of the Swords' p150
- a non muslim source is telling us that the Arabs who cleared the Capitol were Egyptians, something one can understand as people coming from the Sinai region, which doesn't fit with your theory that eastern Arabs invaded Jerusalem,
- Talking about Jerusalem, the one credited to capturing it is Amr ibn Al-As whom I don't think was an eastern Arab but evidence points to the fact he originated from the Palestine/Sinai region
Marc when you affirms this you have no grounds. It has no scholarship value. Because you have postulates that you try to fit to the sources.
Sorry but when you claim the invaders of Jerusalem did have Quranic texts with them just because they built a house of prayer and you say it is because of Quran 2:127, you are doing just what you are describing above. Why ? Very easy : not only is there no link with this story and Jerusalem in the Quran but there is no claim of Arabs to Jerusalem in history prior to that because they just didn't care (
only Gallez built a WRONG theory about that) ; on top of that, the Quran itself says that Allah gave Israel to Jews until Judgment Day like in Surah 5, verse 21 (yep another cloacking of the Quran by later muslim scholars on top of distorting the story told in the first verses of Surah 17 and build a claim to Jerusalem and an explanation for the Dome of the Rock).
Marc, the use of the Quranic word "muhajirun" everywhere, from Iraq to Egypt as soon as 640/650 attests that these guys are not Jewish.
I never said they were Jewish. These are your words, not mine ; I said they followed some kind of Abrahamism for the ones who were not pagans or Christians of course.
And if they call themselves muhajirun, who are the believers then ? Sounds like a group that encompass the muhajirun.
https://www.academia.edu/31246167/_The_Year_according_to_the_Reckoning_of_the_Believers_Papyrus_Louvre_inv._J._David-Weill_20_and_the_Origins_of_the_hijr%C4%AB_Era_Der_Islam_94_2018_pp._291-311_
Topic: Qur'anic studies today