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 Topic: What the Hell Happened to the Arab Spring?

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  • What the Hell Happened to the Arab Spring?
     OP - December 02, 2014, 12:29 PM

    An excellent talk by Iyad el-Baghdadi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-MIZZ7NBlE
  • What the Hell Happened to the Arab Spring?
     Reply #1 - December 02, 2014, 05:08 PM

    From Sarah Carr's blog: http://inanities.org/2014/10/still-falling-off-that-cliff/
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    [...]

    Every year we say this is the worst that Egypt has ever been or a variant on that and then the next year we are always proved liars. I remember standing on Qasr el Nil Bridge with Sharshar and other friends (two of whom subsequently migrated abroad in the early days of the revolution, ahead of the curve) in 2010 and we remarked how everything felt stale and stagnant and shit. It was around the same time of the year as now, and the air was thick with the putrid stench of the burning rice fields that floats down from the Delta and assaults Cairo, marking the start of winter, just as it is now. There was a sense of resignation to things never changing, at least within my circles, even though 2010 had been relatively tumultuous politically.

    Four months later protesters waged an epic battle with the police on that very bridge. The battle when people performed the afternoon prayer while being sprayed with water canon, and were shot and teargassed and run over. So we were wrong, things did change wonderfully and briefly. And now the dust has settled again on a status quo that is grimmer than anything we could ever have imagined in 2010.

    The inevitable, painful, question is whether it was worth it, whether those lives shattered and destroyed have laid the groundwork for something or are just gone. This isn’t a question we (people who lived through it and supported it) can answer – not only because we perhaps don’t (yet) know but because of the impossibility of answering objectively. Wishing for a world where it never happened would re-animate the dead, return sight to lost eyes, unbreak shattered bones. It would free thousands of political detainees. But it would mean the death of those fleeting moments of untrammelled hope and happiness, of friendships, even love, found during the battle of Mohamed Mahmoud and then lost, of the possibility of a future we are now trying to un-see, of that tomorrow that never came but of which we got a glimpse. How can we wish for that never to have happened, when it has become part of those that lived it – even if today it is a hidden scar. That time we jumped off a cliff reaching for the moon.

    During the recent Eid holidays I went downtown. Throngs of young men pulsated through the streets in their Eid best clothes. The street lights in Talat Harb square were not working. Car headlamps cut through the gloom, briefly illuminating the packs of strutting youths in their multicoloured finery and preposterous haircuts. The crowds and the darkness combined with the incessant fog horning of the vuvuzelas made for something of a nightmarish scene, and the atmosphere was fleetingly reminiscent of the protests of 2011 at their most animated. In Tahrir Square families picnicked on the grass watched by bored soldiers in armed personnel carriers parked at the entrance to the square. Parents do not hold up infants to be photographed with them anymore, nobody poses in front of them. They are just more street furniture.

    Overall it felt like the celebrations when Egypt wins the African Cup. That same brand of joyous, neutral, overwhelmingly masculine energy. The ghosts of January 25 are all still there, the faces painted on the walls of Mohamed Mahmoud Street staring out accusingly at all their work undone. But there are times when the events of 2011 -  2013 seem almost apocryphal. It is only the regime’s revenge-driven torment of individuals associated with it that keep its memory alive. But that will stop eventually and then the embers will die out completely and the real revolution will live only in our heads, where perhaps it always was anyway.

  • What the Hell Happened to the Arab Spring?
     Reply #2 - December 02, 2014, 05:22 PM

    <snip>
  • What the Hell Happened to the Arab Spring?
     Reply #3 - December 02, 2014, 05:28 PM

    Thanks for sharing! Great video! Truer words have never been spoken!
  • What the Hell Happened to the Arab Spring?
     Reply #4 - December 02, 2014, 05:59 PM

    [edited]
    I've noticed that people still writing stuff online from Egypt are being very careful what they say. It looks like the police state is back with a vengeance, or I suppose never really went away.
  • What the Hell Happened to the Arab Spring?
     Reply #5 - December 02, 2014, 06:08 PM

    Way back in the olden days, the Greeks divided the world into democracies and tyrannies.

    Maybe Islam is the religion of tyranny and therefore "Arab Springs" are impossible without dumping Islam?

    That isn't actually a heretical view - it is what Ataturk thought!  What seems to happen is that militaries, of which Ataturk was a member, have only found repression to control Islam and so in some ways actually reinforce Islamic mores.

    Something on the Beeb today about Zia.  Maybe Islam is the preferred religion of tyrants, warlords and dictators.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • What the Hell Happened to the Arab Spring?
     Reply #6 - December 02, 2014, 06:34 PM

    Maybe Islam is the religion of tyranny and therefore "Arab Springs" are impossible without dumping Islam?

    This is from a couple of years ago but is maybe worth reposting - Moroccan journalist Ahmed Benchemsi talking about Islamism, secularism and the Arab Spring:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DeYzNvTVd38
  • What the Hell Happened to the Arab Spring?
     Reply #7 - December 02, 2014, 10:09 PM

    Here's another version of Ahmed Benchemsi's talk, this time followed by a long question and answer session:
    http://vimeo.com/64727618
  • What the Hell Happened to the Arab Spring?
     Reply #8 - December 02, 2014, 10:10 PM

    This thread is giving me nerdgasms

    Danish Never-Moose adopted by the kind people on the CEMB-forum
    Ex-Muslim chat (Unaffliated with CEMB). Safari users: Use "#ex-muslims" as the channel name. CEMB chat thread.
  • What the Hell Happened to the Arab Spring?
     Reply #9 - December 03, 2014, 12:39 AM

    what was the arab spring, a pop group or boyband ?
  • What the Hell Happened to the Arab Spring?
     Reply #10 - December 03, 2014, 02:00 PM

    [deleted - the link I was trying to post was blocked by the Murdoch paywall]
  • What the Hell Happened to the Arab Spring?
     Reply #11 - December 10, 2014, 03:47 PM

    Revolution a distant memory as Egypt escalates repression - Orla Guerin
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-30381292
  • What the Hell Happened to the Arab Spring?
     Reply #12 - December 10, 2014, 04:12 PM

    Depressing.
  • What the Hell Happened to the Arab Spring?
     Reply #13 - December 12, 2014, 06:47 PM

    A more optimistic view from Ahmed Benchemsi
    http://www.mei.edu/content/article/don’t-be-fooled-appearances-liberal-values-are-spreading-arab-world?
    Quote
    ...Concealed by the hubbub about short-lived extremist forays and sectarian strife, a profound sociocultural shift is quietly, yet radically, reshaping the Arab world...

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