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  • article on Exmuslims in National Post, Canada
     OP - January 03, 2015, 03:01 PM


    Written by Simon Cottee who is the author of the forthcoming book 'The Apostates'

    +++++

    For Muslim apostates, giving up their faith can be terrifying, alienating and dangerous

    In many Muslim-majority countries, renouncing Islam is a crime punishable by death. But even in the liberal West, some ex-Muslims continue to fear leaving their faith. Although reformists point to the Qur’anic ruling,”there is no compulsion in religion,” they hide their disbelief or risk being ostracized by their families and the wider ummah (community) of believers. In extreme cases they believe their status as “apostates of the faith” puts them in danger. Simon Cottee, a senior lecturer in criminology at Kent University, England., interviewed 35 former Muslims in Britain and Canada as part of the first major sociological study of ex-Muslims in the west. He based this piece on fieldwork in Canada.

    Halima is an 18-year-old biology student from a strict Muslim family in Ontario.

    Although she continues to wear the hijab and dresses conservatively, Halima no longer prays or fasts. Nor does she abide by the restrictions against alcohol and pork, and she has all but forgotten the Qur’an — the holy book she once had committed to memory.

    “They think I’m a bad Muslim,” she says of her family, “but I doubt if they’d ever think I’m an ex-Muslim.”

    She adds she cannot imagine what would happen if she told her father, a well-known religious leader. “That would be the end. He would never accept my apostasy.”

    Halima, who asked that her real name not be used, has good reason for concern.

    “There was a lot of pressure to be completely religious,” she says of her childhood. And any and all deviations were vigorously punished.

    She remembers one incident in particular.

    “There was a tear in a page and my father assumed I’d ripped it,” she says. “He got my hand — and put it on the stove.”

    After a teacher noticed the burn, the Children’s Aid Society interviewed her parents, who said it was an accident. CAS didn’t pursue the matter, but this did little to placate her father, who castigated her for bringing “kaffirs” (unbelievers) into the house.

    Halima still spent up to three hours a day studying Arabic and the Qur’an into her teen years, and rarely missed the five daily prayers that are obligatory for Muslims.

    But ultimately, she says, “I just couldn’t agree with most of the stuff, especially with the treatment of women — that got me out of Islam.”

    In her mid-teens, she also discovered the online forum of the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain, which gave her the courage to finally admit to herself she didn’t believe anymore and wanted to leave the faith. Before that, she “had never even heard of apostates.”

    In the past few months, Halima finally had to take action.

    Last year, her father started proceedings to bring a friend over from Yemen, a man in his mid-50s, to marry his daughter. Under immense pressure, she agreed to the engagement and signed the sponsorship papers to enable him to settle in Canada. But she couldn’t go through with it and fled her home.

    “I just filled in two bags of my papers and stuff and told my brother, ‘I have to take out the trash,’ and there was a cab waiting for me and I went straight to the shelter.”

    Her flight has confused as well as enraged her parents.

    “Come home — or you’ll regret it,” her father recently warned her on Facebook.

    ————————————

    Zain, 27, is one of the few who has disclosed his apostasy to his family. Born in Britain to Pakistani parents, he came to Canada at age 20.

    “As a kid I really believed with all my heart, but my faith just kind of went away,” he says. “It flickered out. I stopped feeling the presence of God. And that’s when I took seriously the possibility of Islam being wrong.”

    Discovering philosophy — now one of his passions, especially the iconoclastic works of Friedrich Nietzsche — led him to conclude “there really isn’t a defence for any of it [religion].”

    It also opened his mind to different points of view. “I realized that I don’t want to stick to just one way of looking at the world.”

    By 19 he was agnostic — and in love with Mel, a Winnipeg woman he met online. They decided to elope and she flew to Britain.

    But somehow Zain’s family found out and intercepted them at the airport. An uncle was especially furious: “He’s a tough guy who likes to throw his weight around and he was saying, ‘I could chop you up into little pieces and put you in the Thames right now and no one will find out.’” His father also was angry, telling him not “ruin his life for a girl.”

    “Terrified and distraught,” Mel flew home a few days later. Soon afterward, Zain also boarded a plane — to Pakistan with his uncle. The purpose of their trip became clear when they went to a mosque where an imam took a glass of water, began to pray over it, then switched to broken English.

    Zain asked what he was doing and another man replied, “Oh, you don’t know? You have an evil spirit inside your body that has clung on to you in London and the spirit is in love with you and is refusing to leave your body. And he’s talking to her right now in English, telling her to leave.”

    The young man was asked to drink some of the water and walk around the room before being asked how he felt. “I lied and said, ‘Yeah, I feel better, thank you very much.’”

    I wanted to say, ‘I’m an ex-Muslim, you are not alone, you are not the only apostate in the world’

    After a month, Zain returned to London, but the first thing he did was book another flight. “I came back on Boxing Day and on Jan. 3 I took my guitar, some clothes and a small backpack and I left for Canada.”

    Within months he and Mel were married. Zain wishes he had told his parents face to face and sooner about his loss of faith.

    But “I was such a coward.” This is why he later decided to come out fully and post his testimony online, attaching his real name and picture.

    “I wanted to do my part for the apostate community, I guess. To normalize the process of apostatizing … To say, ‘I’m an ex-Muslim, you are not alone, you are not the only apostate in the world.’ There’s such a taboo surrounding apostasy in Islam.”

    He is well aware of how far the normalization process has to go. When his extended family discovered his online testimony, they “collectively shamed my parents for being bad parents” and refused to socialize with them.

    ————————————

    Many former Muslims speak of the loneliness they experience after renouncing Islam.

    “Leaving your faith is the worst thing that you can do and I knew [my family] would never understand it,” says a young British-Bengali woman. “So there was a lot of guilt and shame and self-hate.”

    She recalled feeling “lost, as though I don’t know who I am anymore.” And there was no one she could turn to for support, least of all her family. “It was rough and I could barely pull myself together … because I knew they wouldn’t accept me.”

    But ex-Muslims are not entirely alone or without support. EXMNA: Ex-Muslims of North America was set up in 2013 in Toronto and Washington.

    It has expanded rapidly and now has about a dozen groups, including in Ontario and Quebec. Although members can communicate with each other on its Facebook page, its primary aim is to facilitate “meet-ups,” get-togethers in person.

    ‘[Men] can go through the motions. But if we want to be free, we have to leave. There is no middle ground for women’
    The group is opposed to bigotry of all stripes. It is also opposed to the shielding of religion, and particularly Islam, from critical scrutiny, whether by cultural conservatives or multicultural relativists. Hence its motto, “No Bigotry and No Apologism.”

    “There’s great animosity towards ex-Muslims,” says Kiran Opal, one of the group’s founders and a human rights activist.

    “You’re treated like a traitor, just for not believing the same thing. And you’re expected to keep your mouth shut and not criticize the religion.”

    But the EXMNA activists refuse to be silenced. As former Muslims, they know how important it is to create a reference-point for others, “because you think you’re the only one.”

    The Pakistan-born Ms. Opal, who came to Canada with her family as a refugee, tells a familiar story.

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/02/for-muslim-apostates-giving-up-their-faith-can-be-terrifying-dangerous-and-alienating/

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  • article on Exmuslims in National Post, Canada
     Reply #1 - January 03, 2015, 03:30 PM

    Kiran  Kiss
  • article on Exmuslims in National Post, Canada
     Reply #2 - January 03, 2015, 03:53 PM

    W00t ! The National Post ! 


    This is definitely going to help spread the word and help recruit more Canadians to EXMNA.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • article on Exmuslims in National Post, Canada
     Reply #3 - January 03, 2015, 04:19 PM

    Ekksellent, more awareness.... Cheesy
  • article on Exmuslims in National Post, Canada
     Reply #4 - January 04, 2015, 11:43 AM

     Afro dance Afro dance

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • article on Exmuslims in National Post, Canada
     Reply #5 - January 05, 2015, 06:14 AM

    Great article.
  • article on Exmuslims in National Post, Canada
     Reply #6 - January 05, 2015, 02:26 PM

    Amazing article! Smiley  Afro

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  • article on Exmuslims in National Post, Canada
     Reply #7 - January 05, 2015, 11:11 PM

    Great article. The positive thing is that slowly Muslims will also get used to some of their family and friends will become apostates or convert to other religions.

    वासुदैव कुटुम्बकम्
    Entire World is One Family
    سارا سنسار ايک پريوار ہے
  • article on Exmuslims in National Post, Canada
     Reply #8 - January 05, 2015, 11:19 PM

    I sense a wind of change.
  • article on Exmuslims in National Post, Canada
     Reply #9 - January 05, 2015, 11:24 PM

    I was actually just today thinking what a great idea it would be to contact Danish media and have them post something similar. I just need to find a few other ex-muslim apostates in Denmark aswell to join me  Cheesy

    You are the Universe, Expressing itself as a Human for a little while- Eckhart Tolle
  • article on Exmuslims in National Post, Canada
     Reply #10 - January 06, 2015, 12:41 AM

    @Ishtar: great idea! I think the media would be interested  Wink
  • article on Exmuslims in National Post, Canada
     Reply #11 - January 06, 2015, 12:44 AM

    When I was on exchange semester in Denmark, I met some Iranian people and they were all atheists.
    But I don't think they would be interested in going to the media, and I think their parents are not very strict, too.

    Actually every Iranian student I met so far in Europe was an atheist  Cheesy

  • article on Exmuslims in National Post, Canada
     Reply #12 - January 06, 2015, 12:56 AM

    Haha, all my Iranian friends here are not religious, but I don't think it's something they would go to the media with. They were just simply not raised in a religious home, and their parents drink. Same thing for my Kurdish non-religious friends.  grin12

    You are the Universe, Expressing itself as a Human for a little while- Eckhart Tolle
  • article on Exmuslims in National Post, Canada
     Reply #13 - January 06, 2015, 08:58 AM

    I think that would definitely be helpful to many in this country, Ishtar90 Smiley Albeit that might get quite a bit of attention from the wrong kind of people (rightwing bigots) which will then risk that people who identify as "Muslim" will attack your motives and/or shun you.

    Some Danish Muslims publicly tell about drinking alcohol and having sex but they still identify as "Muslim". It seems that taking the step and calling themselves "ex-Muslim" is too much of a faux pas.

    But if we could gather a group of like 4 people who are willing to tell their stories about living as ex-Muslims in the closet in Denmark I'm sure Politiken or Information will happily tell your stories.

    Counting on my fingers I can remember 7 other Danish ex-Muslims I've encountered on this site.

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  • article on Exmuslims in National Post, Canada
     Reply #14 - January 06, 2015, 09:37 AM

    ^
    Told you, Nikki is sort of our 'go to guy' for all things Danish apostate related.
  • article on Exmuslims in National Post, Canada
     Reply #15 - January 06, 2015, 04:24 PM

    I think that would definitely be helpful to many in this country, Ishtar90 Smiley Albeit that might get quite a bit of attention from the wrong kind of people (rightwing bigots) which will then risk that people who identify as "Muslim" will attack your motives and/or shun you.

    Some Danish Muslims publicly tell about drinking alcohol and having sex but they still identify as "Muslim". It seems that taking the step and calling themselves "ex-Muslim" is too much of a faux pas.

    But if we could gather a group of like 4 people who are willing to tell their stories about living as ex-Muslims in the closet in Denmark I'm sure Politiken or Information will happily tell your stories.

    Counting on my fingers I can remember 7 other Danish ex-Muslims I've encountered on this site.


    That is also what I worry about. Yahya Hassans story is a perfect example.
    I just feel like it's extremely necessary and important that our voice reach out to other muslims in Denmark who may be having doubt about their faith but are too scared to actually admit it to themselves. I remember being terrified when I finally realized that I was about to admit to myself that I don't believe in a god. It still terrifies me sometimes. The fear of hell is so indoctrinated in me.

    It would be awesome if I could reach the others Smiley


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