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Re: Video re Safiyah
Reply #30 - August 07, 2008, 07:46 PM

Quote from: osmanthus on August 04, 2008, 12:52 AM
Pretty amazing turnaround, huh?

Totally. I am very happy for her.

Mohammed ordered Kinana b. al Rabi' to be gruesomely tortured and then decapitated. The 'prophet' then 'married' Kinana's wife, Safiyya. He had her husband, her father and her people killed.

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Re: Video re Safiyah
Reply #31 - January 21, 2009, 04:25 PM

After doing some research on Safiyyah it seems like this thread is too quickly jumping to conclusions. From her actions in the muslim community after Mohammed's death it does not seem like she resented him for killing her husband. I also doubt she had a very good relationship with her husband as he hit her after having a dream which he interpreted as a desire for her to marry Mohammed.

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Re: Video re Safiyah
Reply #32 - January 21, 2009, 04:54 PM

Quote from: PeruvianSkies on January 21, 2009, 04:25 PM
After doing some research on Safiyyah it seems like this thread is too quickly jumping to conclusions. From her actions in the muslim community after Mohammed's death it does not seem like she resented him for killing her husband. I also doubt she had a very good relationship with her husband as he hit her after having a dream which he interpreted as a desire for her to marry Mohammed.

stockholm syndrome

Also he didn;t just kill her first husband, he killed her entire tribe, or sold them off to slavery.

Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
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Re: Video re Safiyah
Reply #33 - January 21, 2009, 05:04 PM

I don't think she had any other option except marrying Muhammed after everything she had, was destroyed. Irrespective of the relation she had with her husband, does not justify Muhammed's act.
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Re: Video re Safiyah
Reply #34 - January 28, 2009, 09:40 PM

I have been thinking about making a video about Muhammad, but it caused so much hate-mail last time.

There is no subject that get's Muslims more upset than the person of Muhammad.

Muslims of course claim that he was the ideal standard for all times and all places. Critics say he was an evil monster. But I am more and more convinced he was simply a man of his time.

Tribes in Pre-Islamic Arabia were constantly warring and carrying off the women as part of their booty. Muhammad was not behaving as a Prophet of God, but he was behaving as an Arab tribal leader.
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Reply #35 - January 28, 2009, 09:56 PM

Go for it, you are the only photogenic man in this forum for the videos (must admit there's not much competition from the standard I have seen so far)

The more evidence we have out there the better and easier is is for those who dont realise they have a choice, and want to make one.

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Re: Video re Safiyah
Reply #36 - January 28, 2009, 09:59 PM

Quote from: PeruvianSkies on January 21, 2009, 04:25 PM
After doing some research on Safiyyah it seems like this thread is too quickly jumping to conclusions. From her actions in the muslim community after Mohammed's death it does not seem like she resented him for killing her husband. I also doubt she had a very good relationship with her husband as he hit her after having a dream which he interpreted as a desire for her to marry Mohammed.

And this tradition was recorded when? Exactly. Much later after said events, by whom? Surely not the husband as witness. Safiyyah, or anyone else for that matter, could've, and probably did make this up after the fact, to smooth things over nice like butter.

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Reply #37 - January 28, 2009, 10:17 PM

Quote from: IsLame on January 28, 2009, 09:56 PM
Go for it, you are the only photogenic man in this forum for the videos (must admit there's not much competition form the standard I have seen so far)

LOL... you are not going to win friends that way IsLame. Besides, I think you are being far too modest.
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Re: Video re Safiyah
Reply #38 - January 28, 2009, 10:20 PM

Quote from: awais on January 28, 2009, 09:59 PM
Quote from: PeruvianSkies on January 21, 2009, 04:25 PM
After doing some research on Safiyyah it seems like this thread is too quickly jumping to conclusions. From her actions in the muslim community after Mohammed's death it does not seem like she resented him for killing her husband. I also doubt she had a very good relationship with her husband as he hit her after having a dream which he interpreted as a desire for her to marry Mohammed.

And this tradition was recorded when? Exactly. Much later after said events, by whom? Surely not the husband as witness. Safiyyah, or anyone else for that matter, could've, and probably did make this up after the fact, to smooth things over nice like butter.

Exactly! One can see that a great many hadith are obviously a later creation, just by using reason.

But of course reason was never the basis for authenticating hadiths. If the Isnad (chain of narrators) was sound then in it goes.
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Re: Video re Safiyah
Reply #39 - January 29, 2009, 09:06 AM

Quote from: Hassan on January 28, 2009, 09:40 PM
I have been thinking about making a video about Muhammad, but it caused so much hate-mail last time.

There is no subject that get's Muslims more upset than the person of Muhammad.

Muslims of course claim that he was the ideal standard for all times and all places. Critics say he was an evil monster. But I am more and more convinced he was simply a man of his time.

Tribes in Pre-Islamic Arabia were constantly warring and carrying off the women as part of their booty. Muhammad was not behaving as a Prophet of God, but he was behaving as an Arab tribal leader.

The arabs were divided between the city arabs and the desert bedouins. Muhammad was a city arab who acted and ingratiated himself with the more barabaric culture of the bedouins. The same people that gave us Omar Bin Khattab.

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Re: Video re Safiyah
Reply #40 - January 29, 2009, 09:15 AM

Quote from: Hassan on January 28, 2009, 09:40 PM
I have been thinking about making a video about Muhammad, but it caused so much hate-mail last time.

There is no subject that get's Muslims more upset than the person of Muhammad.

Muslims of course claim that he was the ideal standard for all times and all places. Critics say he was an evil monster. But I am more and more convinced he was simply a man of his time.

Tribes in Pre-Islamic Arabia were constantly warring and carrying off the women as part of their booty. Muhammad was not behaving as a Prophet of God, but he was behaving as an Arab tribal leader.

Go for it. That would be interesting to watch. You could always leave the video on private if needs be.

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Re: Video re Safiyah
Reply #41 - January 29, 2009, 09:17 AM

good point

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Re: Video re Safiyah
Reply #42 - January 29, 2009, 09:22 AM

I also want to see this and any other video you make. I love your style. I like the abrupt way you end some of your vids too. I can't imagine the torrent of hate mail as I don't make videos, or do anthing really I can imagine it would make one despondent so I don't blame you if you don't make the video but so many people would be interested in it - and you offer a unique angle: a former Muslim who isn't bitter and twisted, who isn't some hatemonger but who tries with sincerity to critique the religion and make known those questions that caused you to doubt the true faith of Allah (SWT). I can dig it

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Reply #43 - January 29, 2009, 10:03 AM

I should add that I'd like to see Awais make a video too

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Reply #44 - January 29, 2009, 10:06 AM

I'd like to also, but I'd prefer to show my face, but I'm not ready to yet. Thanks tho

How about you abdalwali?

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Re: Video re Safiyah
Reply #45 - January 29, 2009, 10:16 AM

Quote from: awais on January 29, 2009, 10:06 AM
I'd like to also, but I'd prefer to show my face, but I'm not ready to yet. Thanks tho

You don't have to show your face. You can use a powerpoint type presentation or animation s/w.

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Re: Video re Safiyah
Reply #46 - January 29, 2009, 10:19 AM

..or wear full niqab

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Re: Video re Safiyah
Reply #47 - January 29, 2009, 10:21 AM

I started to make one awhile ago covering my face with a keffiyeh, didn't like it tho.

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Reply #48 - January 29, 2009, 12:17 PM

Quote from: abdalwali on January 29, 2009, 09:22 AM
I also want to see this and any other video you make. I love your style. I like the abrupt way you end some of your vids too. I can't imagine the torrent of hate mail as I don't make videos, or do anthing really I can imagine it would make one despondent so I don't blame you if you don't make the video but so many people would be interested in it - and you offer a unique angle: a former Muslim who isn't bitter and twisted, who isn't some hatemonger but who tries with sincerity to critique the religion and make known those questions that caused you to doubt the true faith of Allah (SWT). I can dig it

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Video re Safiyah
Reply #49 - September 02, 2015, 09:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzaQO4F1UIU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzlgnNlDj_g

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