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  • Video re Safiyah
     OP - June 23, 2008, 10:30 PM

    I'm just stickying this here temporarily so it doesn't get lost while I contact the person who made it.
    I'm thinking of another category on our front page for good, critical vids that aren't Hass's.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHC-tfOvXGA







    ~ The video is not available cuz the channel of the user has been suspended by youtube. You can find her new one @:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/NaomiKnight

    She has been contacted by us to check whether she has a copy of the vid. or not. ~

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #1 - June 26, 2008, 02:25 PM

    This is lie. It was for other reasons he married her.
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #2 - June 26, 2008, 02:36 PM

    Like what reason?  Astonish us with your interpretation.

    Mohammed ordered Kinana b. al Rabi' to be gruesomely tortured and then decapitated.  The 'prophet' then 'married' Kinana's wife, Safiyya.  He had her husband, her father and her people killed.  

    Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq 

    Mohammed was a rapist and a murderer.
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #3 - June 26, 2008, 02:37 PM

    This is lie. It was for other reasons he married her.


    That is pure speculation and just your opinion. Tongue

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #4 - June 26, 2008, 02:39 PM

    Like what reason?  Astonish us with your interpretation.


    I am going to respond to this video with a video I make. Some bimbo dosen't even know what shes talking about, just quoting off an anti Islamic website.
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #5 - June 26, 2008, 03:00 PM

    We look forward to the video.

    Mohammed ordered Kinana b. al Rabi' to be gruesomely tortured and then decapitated.  The 'prophet' then 'married' Kinana's wife, Safiyya.  He had her husband, her father and her people killed.  

    Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq 

    Mohammed was a rapist and a murderer.
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #6 - June 26, 2008, 03:00 PM

    This is lie. It was for other reasons he married her.


    That is pure speculation and just your opinion. Tongue


     Cheesy Indeed.....touche  parrot

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #7 - June 26, 2008, 04:01 PM

    Great video - really brings the message home  Afro

    btw I know it's just me - but I get REALLY confused about where stuff is on this forum and I still think we would all benefit by having LESS forums.

    I read this post then watched the video - then couldn't find where this thread was again (as I only clicked from my unread posts since last visit - link.

    I searched and searched and finally put out an APB in the shout box!
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #8 - June 26, 2008, 04:22 PM

    Great video - really brings the message home  Afro

    btw I know it's just me - but I get REALLY confused about where stuff is on this forum and I still think we would all benefit by having LESS forums.

    I read this post then watched the video - then couldn't find where this thread was again (as I only clicked from my unread posts since last visit - link.

    I searched and searched and finally put out an APB in the shout box!



    Honestly Hass I find it easy finding threads I've seen, sometimes I use the search feature.

    It's saffiya, women in islam  Wink

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #9 - June 26, 2008, 05:50 PM

    Great video - really brings the message home  Afro

    btw I know it's just me - but I get REALLY confused about where stuff is on this forum and I still think we would all benefit by having LESS forums.

    I read this post then watched the video - then couldn't find where this thread was again (as I only clicked from my unread posts since last visit - link.

    I searched and searched and finally put out an APB in the shout box!


    I used to rummage and search sometimes and get frustrated.   wacko  the search feature on the bottom left saves me trouble when I can't locate something.

    Mohammed ordered Kinana b. al Rabi' to be gruesomely tortured and then decapitated.  The 'prophet' then 'married' Kinana's wife, Safiyya.  He had her husband, her father and her people killed.  

    Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq 

    Mohammed was a rapist and a murderer.
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #10 - June 26, 2008, 10:39 PM

    There is also a search button at the top of the forum in the menu bar.
    If you want to find a thread you have previously replied to use your profile and select "Show the last posts of this person".

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #11 - June 26, 2008, 11:36 PM

    This story makes me sad and angry and horrified. I try not to think about it. That poor girl. As a woman, I'm glad I wasn't born a second earlier in history than I was.

    Though it has no bridge,
    The cloud climbs up to heaven;
    It does not seek the aid
    Of Gautama's sutras.

    - Ikkyu
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #12 - June 26, 2008, 11:40 PM

    It really upsets me as well.  I didn't have a sig previously and this story moved me so much that I thought anyone who came across my path should know about it.

    Just out of curiosity, as Muslims had many of you heard this story early on in your lives?  When you heard about it, how did you deal with it or try to reconcile it with your conscience?

    I struggled with similar atrocities in the bible when I was a christian and attempted to beat them to the back of my mind.

    Just wondering.

    Mohammed ordered Kinana b. al Rabi' to be gruesomely tortured and then decapitated.  The 'prophet' then 'married' Kinana's wife, Safiyya.  He had her husband, her father and her people killed.  

    Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq 

    Mohammed was a rapist and a murderer.
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #13 - June 30, 2008, 07:12 AM

    I'm just stickying this here temporarily so it doesn't get lost while I contact the person who made it.
    I'm thinking of another category on our front page for good, critical vids that aren't Hass's.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHC-tfOvXGA

    =================

    Naomi disables messaging thru YT, i think you need to add her 1st.


    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #14 - June 30, 2008, 07:24 AM

    It really upsets me as well.  I didn't have a sig previously and this story moved me so much that I thought anyone who came across my path should know about it.

    Just out of curiosity, as Muslims had many of you heard this story early on in your lives?  When you heard about it, how did you deal with it or try to reconcile it with your conscience?

    I struggled with similar atrocities in the bible when I was a christian and attempted to beat them to the back of my mind.

    Just wondering.


    Speaking for myself - but I think it applies to a great many Muslims also - I looked at the history of Islam through very selective and rose coloured spectacles.

    Stories such as this I didn't look close enough to see it for what it was until I started looking critically at Islam.

    It's strange but it's like looking at a scene through a magic looking-glass then having it taken away and you suddenly see things from a perspective you didn't see before and notice stuff you didn't notice before.
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #15 - June 30, 2008, 08:20 AM

    Sounds a bit like falling out of love, except the love is for an ideology rather than a specific person.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #16 - June 30, 2008, 01:05 PM

    I can't really explain how I accomplished the same thing with Christianity.  I read the stories.  I knew the details.  I just refused to think about them too much.  I was somehow able to detach myself and believe that God must have been right in what he did and if I don't understand what he did, it's because I wasn't there and there must be something wrong with my perspective.  If something continued to bother me, I would tell myself that there would be a day in eternity when everything would be understood and explained.  In the meantime, I needed to be faithful and believe that God was perfect.  This helped me push doubts to the far back reaches of my mind.  Whenever doubts would arise again, I would go back through the cycle. 

    Somewhere and on some levels, I knew there things just didn't add up.  I was really good at denying this.  I was able to make the attrocities of Joshua into victorious war stories where God fulfilled his promises.  I was able to make Sodom and Gomorrah into just annihilation because those people who were burned in sulfur from heaven must have been really really 'evil'.  I was somehow able to make God's call for Israelite men to leave their foreign wives and children destitute in order to keep their line 'pure', a righteous decision because it would protect their nation.  The list of despicable acts is long.

    I guess when you don't want to see something for what it really is, you are willing to twist and twist your mind until it somehow seems ok or at the very least, just something you don't understand yet.  For me I think fear was the fuel.  Fear of punishment for doubting.  Fear that I might lose my faith.  Fear that I would find something that I didn't want to know.  Fear that I would think God was cruel and unjust.  Fear of being misled by Satan.  In a lot of ways and on many levels, fear. 

    Also, I really wanted to believe that God was loving, merciful and kind.  I just couldn't imagine how he could be anything else and still be God.  It was hell, of course, which remained my biggest problem.  Unraveling all of those beliefs packaged under Christianity was quite a painful but freeing trip in the end. 

    I find so many similarities between Islam and Christianity when I see individuals grasping to continue to believe the unbelievable. 

    Mohammed ordered Kinana b. al Rabi' to be gruesomely tortured and then decapitated.  The 'prophet' then 'married' Kinana's wife, Safiyya.  He had her husband, her father and her people killed.  

    Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq 

    Mohammed was a rapist and a murderer.
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #17 - July 31, 2008, 12:47 PM

    This is lie. It was for other reasons he married her.

    Please try to frame your answer without reference to a certain book you keep on quoting from. I bet you can't.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #18 - July 31, 2008, 11:25 PM

    I can't really explain how I accomplished the same thing with Christianity.  I read the stories.  I knew the details.  I just refused to think about them too much.  I was somehow able to detach myself and believe that God must have been right in what he did and if I don't understand what he did, it's because I wasn't there and there must be something wrong with my perspective.  If something continued to bother me, I would tell myself that there would be a day in eternity when everything would be understood and explained.  In the meantime, I needed to be faithful and believe that God was perfect.  This helped me push doubts to the far back reaches of my mind.  Whenever doubts would arise again, I would go back through the cycle. 

    Somewhere and on some levels, I knew there things just didn't add up.  I was really good at denying this.  I was able to make the attrocities of Joshua into victorious war stories where God fulfilled his promises.  I was able to make Sodom and Gomorrah into just annihilation because those people who were burned in sulfur from heaven must have been really really 'evil'.  I was somehow able to make God's call for Israelite men to leave their foreign wives and children destitute in order to keep their line 'pure', a righteous decision because it would protect their nation.  The list of despicable acts is long.

    I guess when you don't want to see something for what it really is, you are willing to twist and twist your mind until it somehow seems ok or at the very least, just something you don't understand yet.  For me I think fear was the fuel.  Fear of punishment for doubting.  Fear that I might lose my faith.  Fear that I would find something that I didn't want to know.  Fear that I would think God was cruel and unjust.  Fear of being misled by Satan.  In a lot of ways and on many levels, fear. 

    Also, I really wanted to believe that God was loving, merciful and kind.  I just couldn't imagine how he could be anything else and still be God.  It was hell, of course, which remained my biggest problem.  Unraveling all of those beliefs packaged under Christianity was quite a painful but freeing trip in the end. 

    I find so many similarities between Islam and Christianity when I see individuals grasping to continue to believe the unbelievable. 


    I guess I'm lucky.  Although I grew up in a christian family, at least the parents had one of the milder strains and I was fortunate enough to never really got infected.

    Constant questioning and reading everything I could get my hands on got my intellectual immune system in shape for when I went out into the world and had to deal with the real hard core jeezoids.
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #19 - August 01, 2008, 09:17 PM

    I can't really explain how I accomplished the same thing with Christianity.  I read the stories.  I knew the details.  I just refused to think about them too much.  I was somehow able to detach myself and believe that God must have been right in what he did and if I don't understand what he did, it's because I wasn't there and there must be something wrong with my perspective.  If something continued to bother me, I would tell myself that there would be a day in eternity when everything would be understood and explained.  In the meantime, I needed to be faithful and believe that God was perfect.  This helped me push doubts to the far back reaches of my mind.  Whenever doubts would arise again, I would go back through the cycle. 

    Somewhere and on some levels, I knew there things just didn't add up.  I was really good at denying this.  I was able to make the attrocities of Joshua into victorious war stories where God fulfilled his promises.  I was able to make Sodom and Gomorrah into just annihilation because those people who were burned in sulfur from heaven must have been really really 'evil'.  I was somehow able to make God's call for Israelite men to leave their foreign wives and children destitute in order to keep their line 'pure', a righteous decision because it would protect their nation.  The list of despicable acts is long.

    I guess when you don't want to see something for what it really is, you are willing to twist and twist your mind until it somehow seems ok or at the very least, just something you don't understand yet.  For me I think fear was the fuel.  Fear of punishment for doubting.  Fear that I might lose my faith.  Fear that I would find something that I didn't want to know.  Fear that I would think God was cruel and unjust.  Fear of being misled by Satan.  In a lot of ways and on many levels, fear. 

    Also, I really wanted to believe that God was loving, merciful and kind.  I just couldn't imagine how he could be anything else and still be God.  It was hell, of course, which remained my biggest problem.  Unraveling all of those beliefs packaged under Christianity was quite a painful but freeing trip in the end. 

    I find so many similarities between Islam and Christianity when I see individuals grasping to continue to believe the unbelievable. 


    I guess I'm lucky.  Although I grew up in a christian family, at least the parents had one of the milder strains and I was fortunate enough to never really got infected.

    Constant questioning and reading everything I could get my hands on got my intellectual immune system in shape for when I went out into the world and had to deal with the real hard core jeezoids.

    Yeah, I'm glad you were lucky.  My family were not from the loco strain of Christianity.  I went out and found that type of religion for myself so I can't blame it on early childhood indoctrination.  I'm actually really embarrassed about how I used to think.  My old beliefs are humiliatingly stupid.

    Mohammed ordered Kinana b. al Rabi' to be gruesomely tortured and then decapitated.  The 'prophet' then 'married' Kinana's wife, Safiyya.  He had her husband, her father and her people killed.  

    Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq 

    Mohammed was a rapist and a murderer.
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #20 - August 01, 2008, 09:22 PM

    You get that. We've all said, done and thought stupid things.  whistling2

    Actually one of the moderators over at Dawkins used to be a radical evangelist nutter. Her story was rather interesting.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #21 - August 01, 2008, 09:28 PM

    You get that. We've all said, done and thought stupid things.  whistling2

    Actually one of the moderators over at Dawkins used to be a radical evangelist nutter. Her story was rather interesting.

    I'd love to read up on that.  It's always encouraging to learn about people who have escaped insanity fantasy land to join this rational, beautiful and interesting world.

    Mohammed ordered Kinana b. al Rabi' to be gruesomely tortured and then decapitated.  The 'prophet' then 'married' Kinana's wife, Safiyya.  He had her husband, her father and her people killed.  

    Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq 

    Mohammed was a rapist and a murderer.
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #22 - August 01, 2008, 09:40 PM

    I'll rock on over there and see if I can find her story.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #23 - August 01, 2008, 09:48 PM

    I'll rock on over there and see if I can find her story.

    cool.  Running for a bit to eat dinner.

    Mohammed ordered Kinana b. al Rabi' to be gruesomely tortured and then decapitated.  The 'prophet' then 'married' Kinana's wife, Safiyya.  He had her husband, her father and her people killed.  

    Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq 

    Mohammed was a rapist and a murderer.
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #24 - August 01, 2008, 09:49 PM

    Scroll down the page to #38.    http://richarddawkins.net/convertsCorner

    She's cool and quite approachable.  Smiley

    Her moderator handle is sciwoman.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #25 - August 03, 2008, 02:35 PM

    You get that. We've all said, done and thought stupid things.  whistling2

    Actually one of the moderators over at Dawkins used to be a radical evangelist nutter. Her story was rather interesting.


    How did she get her sanity back?

  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #26 - August 03, 2008, 10:18 PM

    The same way anyone else did it. By thinking for themselves. parrot

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #27 - August 04, 2008, 12:18 AM

    Scroll down the page to #38.    http://richarddawkins.net/convertsCorner

    She's cool and quite approachable.  Smiley

    Her moderator handle is sciwoman.

    Great story!  Thanks Os.

    Mohammed ordered Kinana b. al Rabi' to be gruesomely tortured and then decapitated.  The 'prophet' then 'married' Kinana's wife, Safiyya.  He had her husband, her father and her people killed.  

    Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq 

    Mohammed was a rapist and a murderer.
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #28 - August 04, 2008, 12:52 AM

    Pretty amazing turnaround, huh?

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Video re Safiyah
     Reply #29 - August 06, 2008, 01:49 AM

    Pretty amazing turnaround, huh?


    Definitely.  Even here in Shit-KickerStan, I'm running into more and more people who are ditching religion and goddism in general.

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