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OP - February 09, 2015, 06:18 AM

So I was watching the latest dawah man video. In the vid he boastfully titled as "athiest agrees muhammad wasn't a liar", he approached two guys, then uses this tactic which seemed familiar to me. He positted that muhammad was either one of the three: lying, deluded of truthful. Then he "proved" that mo was neither lying or deluded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOT5bYVx_Kw

When hearing about the tactic, I immediately knew that it was a rip off of CS Lewis's trilemma:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis's_trilemma

Now lewis didn't come up with the trilemma, but he made it famous. It's found in his book, "mere christianity", thus the reason why it's named after him. I never heard of it being used by dawahgandists, however.

Now the question is, how did dawah man find out about the tactic? It's hard for me to believe that muslims would be fans of Christian apologetic material, especially like CS Lewis's "Mere Christianity". I understand if a Muslim likes Narnia, but CS Lewis's other stuff were very Christian in tone.

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Reply #1 - February 09, 2015, 07:38 AM

I almost read that as CK Louis

But I've heard these arguments before, it's not something dawaman as a Muslim is first to use. However, not sure if it's something that is recently ripped off or something that has been used for a long time. It's not like the trilemma thing could only be unique to Christianity

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Reply #2 - February 09, 2015, 08:53 AM

He probably just heard it from one of the brothers during their weekly circlejerk, it's nothing new.

http://www.iera.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Prophet-Muhammad-Liar-Deluded-or-Truthful.pdf

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Reply #3 - February 09, 2015, 09:28 AM

Quote from: Cornflower on February 09, 2015, 07:38 AM
I almost read that as CK Louis

But I've heard these arguments before, it's not something dawaman as a Muslim is first to use. However, not sure if it's something that is recently ripped off or something that has been used for a long time. It's not like the trilemma thing could only be unique to Christianity

you could be right, but i haven't heard it being used by the ahmad deedat - zakir naik kinds. And I think the format's definitely from the lewis trilemma. It's too similar. The trilemma goes liar-lunatic-lord. This version uses liar-deluded-truthful. They just changed "lord" to "truthful".

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Reply #4 - February 09, 2015, 09:34 AM

Quote from: Qtian on February 09, 2015, 08:53 AM
He probably just heard it from one of the brothers during their weekly circlejerk, it's nothing new.

http://www.iera.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Prophet-Muhammad-Liar-Deluded-or-Truthful.pdf

Dude, that's got to be exactly where he got it from! Dawah man used the same exact words! It's Tzortzis again! Another christian apologetic tactic ripped off. First the watchmaker, now this. I think the guy's gonna rip off every single christian apologetic tactic ever written down!

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Reply #5 - February 09, 2015, 09:54 AM

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Dude, that's got to be exactly where he got it from! Dawah man used the same exact words! It's Tzortzis again!

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rip off every single christian apologetic

Tzortzis and his ilk are currently ripping off Plantinga's argument that belief in God is properly basic. However, it seems that iERA can't get anything right and they seem to have misunderstood the argument. Plantinga maintains that even if belief is basic, it is not immune to defeat via argumentation.

LDM plagiarised Plantinga's EAAN a few months ago.

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Reply #6 - February 09, 2015, 11:26 AM

even when they argue kalam, which they can pretty legitimately lay claim to, they are arguing William Lane Craig's specific version of kalam.

I think the Plantinga stuff too, comes through the WLC conduit.
They just change Paley's watch for an iphone, and Plantinga's great pumpkin for the cookie monster.

90% of the dawah arguments that I come across these days, are tzortzis, and 90% of his are from a handful of christian theologians (and one in particular).
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Reply #7 - February 09, 2015, 11:31 AM

It's so cute, because they don't even understand the argument half of the time.

It's similar to this,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TryOC83PH1g

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Reply #8 - February 09, 2015, 12:03 PM

BTW , I have a thread in the rant arena called "dawah stuff". It'd be cool if you could post topics of this sort in that thread.

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Reply #9 - February 09, 2015, 12:25 PM

Quote from: Qtian on February 09, 2015, 08:53 AM
He probably just heard it from one of the brothers during their weekly circlejerk, it's nothing new.

http://www.iera.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Prophet-Muhammad-Liar-Deluded-or-Truthful.pdf

No not heard., That fellow is deaf for what others say., he must have just copied from Internet

Yap that nut case is NOT that smart to read Chester Lewis. But apart from that Lord, Liar Or Lunatic Trilemma ., many of these dawah fools from Islam as well as Christianity do not consider another simple possibility .,

These prophets did not really exist the way they were depicted in their respective religious books/stories, but all these stories about these alleged prophets or son of god/ son of voodoo doll were written way after the death some unknown guys who may have been simple preachers of that time. War lords and rulers of that time used their names to usurp political power and made some stories so that their(the war lords) children/near and dear will be in power for generations and generations.

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Reply #10 - February 09, 2015, 03:32 PM

The funny thing is that for all the motivations for lying that he lists, every single one of them is found in "revelations" from the quran granting him these things. Special privilege regarding who and how many people he can marry, power in the verses that stress how important it is to obey the messengers every word, verses in which he claims a certain portion of the booty for he and his kinsmen, and verses prohibiting people from marrying his wives or staying at his house too long and being annoying

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Reply #11 - February 09, 2015, 04:08 PM

Damnit. I was so, so wishing this thread was about Dawah Man writing his own version of the Chronicles of Narnia.

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Reply #12 - February 10, 2015, 04:04 AM

I noticed DW has started disabling the comment system. I guess when you can not see criticism of your idea it is easier to hold the idea as true.
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