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  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     OP - February 21, 2015, 02:32 PM

    Hey, Can you guys sign this petition from the LGBTI society to stop homophobic preacher Sheikh Haitham Al Haddad from speaking at Westminester University.

    https://www.change.org/p/university-of-westminster-stop-anti-gay-preacher-sheikh-haitham-al-haddad-speaking-on-campus?just_created_and_shared=true

    Article about it in The Independent.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/westminster-university-students-furious-after-controversial-islamic-preacher-booked-for-charity-dinner-talk-8939980.html

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #1 - February 21, 2015, 02:48 PM

    Signed.
  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #2 - February 21, 2015, 04:43 PM

    Huh? The Independent article is dated Thursday 14 November 2013. What's going on?
  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #3 - February 22, 2015, 02:17 AM

    Just saw this comment.

    Salman Butt ·  Top commenter · Works at Islam21c · 377 followers

    Free speech: 1
     Islamophobic and racist incitement masquerading as "LGBT rights": 0


    Reply ·  · 5 · Yesterday at 07:43

    https://www.change.org/p/university-of-westminster-stop-anti-gay-preacher-sheikh-haitham-al-haddad-speaking-on-campus/u/9742391

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #4 - February 22, 2015, 02:20 AM

    Huh? The Independent article is dated Thursday 14 November 2013. What's going on?

     

    The article was from the previous time he spoke at Uof Westminister.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #5 - February 22, 2015, 02:29 AM

    Can anybody tell me what the "I" stands for in LGBTI? Never seen it before. I've also noticed people using LGBTQ recently (the Q stands for queer). I thought queer was derogatory, like faggot? Is it empowering now? Huh?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #6 - February 22, 2015, 08:40 AM

    They have adopted Queer and Faggot to disempower the word and also as an empowering thing. I might be intersex.
  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #7 - February 22, 2015, 09:23 AM

    You guys are behind. The politically correct version these days is LGBTTQQIAAP.

    Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Transsexual, Queer, Questioning, Intersex, Asexual, Ally, Panssexual

    Stop labeling people!

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  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #8 - February 22, 2015, 09:35 AM

    Haha  Cheesy
  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #9 - February 22, 2015, 10:01 AM

    Though I find it disturbing a religious university society would want to endorse someone like sheikh Hate, would it not be better to protest and challenge his evil rather that deny him entry? It may bring the decent people together,

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #10 - February 22, 2015, 10:12 AM

    That guy has been the main speaker several times for the youth organisation of the Danish Islamic Society.

    The same organisation that held the funeral prayers for the gangsta gone Jihadi Friday.

    And which has been placed on the UAE terror list with a lot of other alleged Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated organisations.

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  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #11 - February 22, 2015, 11:03 AM

    I swear they want people to have a bad view of islam...

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #12 - February 22, 2015, 11:41 AM

    Yup, holy war fuel.
  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #13 - February 22, 2015, 11:42 AM

    Though I find it disturbing a religious university society would want to endorse someone like sheikh Hate, would it not be better to protest and challenge his evil rather that deny him entry? It may bring the decent people together,


    Agreed!
  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #14 - February 23, 2015, 12:26 AM

    Forum post from when he visited Sweden last time.
    I don't know if he eventually got to speak that time but the organisation who invited him sure got into a lot of trouble and lost their access to the municipal premises for the event.

    Though I find it disturbing a religious university society would want to endorse someone like sheikh Hate, would it not be better to protest and challenge his evil rather that deny him entry? It may bring the decent people together,

    I just don't see what good could possibly come out of it. Don't you need to draw a line somewhere?
  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #15 - February 23, 2015, 01:32 AM

    Can anybody tell me what the "I" stands for in LGBTI? Never seen it before. I've also noticed people using LGBTQ recently (the Q stands for queer). I thought queer was derogatory, like faggot? Is it empowering now? Huh?

     

    The LGBT community at my uni in Canada has been using the word "Queer" as a positive word for a while now.


    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #16 - February 23, 2015, 03:45 AM

    I've heard speakers adding on the Q and seen a few organisations with it, just something that came to my notice recently as more seem to be adopting it. I've just recently began to see it more frequently. This was the first time I saw an "I".

    I just don't see what good could possibly come out of it. Don't you need to draw a line somewhere?


    I signed the petition, but just for the sake of conversation let me throw out some thoughts on how some good could come out of this.

    People like sheikh Hate are becoming more and more visibly popular and fuelling the idea that muslims in general are dangerous and hateful people. What's worse it that rather than being challenged on the filth they vomit, they're either accommodated or attempted to be silenced, giving no balance. Not only does this help the scary muslim view, it's part of a very real, widespread and expanding intolerant ideology among the next generation of a growing group of European citizens. Having no counter simply means there's no other view available. Allow him to speak with no challenge, and you're passing up a change to offer young muslims an alternative to the idea that their god wants them to be bigots. Try to silence him, you get the same thing only you're adding on the feeling that wider society is against you. Making people feel they have to choose between being a muslim or being accepted by the majority won't do anyone any good.

    I don't really care if someone is privately homophobic, and if they want to tell me why I can choose whether or not to listen. What I do care about is whether they act on there bigotry. If sheikh Hate is going on stage and saying "I don't like gays because", I'm going to disagree with him but I'm not going to try and silence him. It can provide the opportunity to challenge. If he's actually encouraging hate crimes, that's another story.

    I hope the students come together in outrage and protest against his views, and I hope that both the students and the university make it crystal clear that they do not share his views and will ensure they do everything within their power to support their LGBT students and staff from any kind of bullying or discrimination. I also hope this starts a very badly needed conversation and flow of ideas counter to the poison being spoon-fed from a depressingly early age.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #17 - February 23, 2015, 08:13 AM

    Agreed! Why don't people value honesty over offense? By doing so you drive hate underground, which I more dangerous. Views need to be rebuffed by alternate, in this case Muslim, voices, otherwise Muslims have no counterweight position to consider.
  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #18 - February 26, 2015, 06:10 AM

    Let him speak.  In Europe and North America, LGBT rights was only made possible by a firm commitment to free speech and open discussion.  By giving gay men and lesbians a voice and visibility, they were able to open up space for themselves in our societies.  Free and open discourse is the best antidote to Islamism and other soul-destroying ideologies.

    LGBT and atheist groups at the university should invite Ayaan Hirsi Ali to speak.  Of course that would not be extreme enough; I suppose it would need to be someone irrational like Pam Geller. 
  • Stop Homophobic preacher from speaking at Westminister.
     Reply #19 - March 10, 2015, 04:47 AM

    So while previously the Petition Launched To Block 'Homophobic' Islamic Preacher From Speaking At Westminster University Falls On Deaf Ears, with the big reveal of the UK's best known islamic state member, all of a sudden Controversial 'Homophobic' Speaker Postponed At Westminster University After 'Jihadi John' Security Concerns. Doesn't take much to get them off their arses does it? Roll Eyes

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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