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OP - May 07, 2015, 08:03 PM

Speaking of secularising the muslim majority countries. What do you think about Mustafa Kemal Ataturk?
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Reply #1 - May 07, 2015, 08:19 PM

I remember when I was little my dad told me he stopped Muslims wearing the tarboush and made them wear western hats with a brim, so they couldn't do sajda.

I remember thinking, 'why don't they just take their hats off?'
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Reply #2 - May 07, 2015, 09:22 PM

Quote from: maarri on May 07, 2015, 08:03 PM
Speaking of secularising the muslim majority countries. What do you think about Mustafa Kemal Ataturk?

Two things were crucial in my opinion when Ataturk came to power
1. A 100 years of reformation, where the Ottoman State stopped using most of Sharia, including the penal code which meant that apostasy was legalized
2. The average muslim Turk probably knew nothing about Sharia except basic things.

It would be unlikely that a saudi king would be able to do what Ataturk did.
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Reply #3 - May 07, 2015, 09:58 PM

Quote from: Skywalker on May 07, 2015, 09:22 PM
1. A 100 years of reformation, where the Ottoman State stopped using most of Sharia, including the penal code which meant that apostasy was legalized

Yeah, Ataturk continued what the Ottomans had already begun. The Ottomans were well on their way towards secularizing Turkey by the time their empire collapsed.

The Ottoman empire's secular history undermines sharia claims: A new paper shows 18th- and 19th-century Ottoman rulers decriminalised homosexuality and promoted women's education
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Reply #4 - May 08, 2015, 01:01 AM

I recall a story from the 1800s where they beheaded a woman for wanting equality. Had a quick google but didn't find anything. Anyone familiar with this?

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #5 - May 08, 2015, 01:03 PM

Not sure what the basis would be for just calling for equality,but if it was some kind of statement that was considered going against opinion that was agreed upon unanimously, then that may have come under apostasy.Apostasy was legalized during the middle of 1800s.As the Ottomans were Hanafis, its more likely than not that the penalty would have been imprisonment for female apostates.Maybe it was something deemed as an insult to Islam.It can't have been the law of adultery as it relates to a statement, and also for the fact the penalty for adultery was stoning which was last applied by the Ottomans during mid 1600s.
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Reply #6 - May 08, 2015, 01:27 PM

It was something to do with feminism if I recall.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #7 - May 08, 2015, 01:52 PM

Since much of reforms were done step by step, it would be possible.The Sharia punishment for apostasy was removed by 1856,though Im not sure that was the situation in the case that you mentioned.
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