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  • Why is God not female?
     OP - June 04, 2015, 12:33 AM

    Why is God not female?



    A group in the Church of England is calling for services to address God as "She" as well as "He". The question of God's gender goes back to the early Christian Church, writes Stephen Tomkins.

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    The Christian Church has always had a bit of a problem with God's gender. He doesn't have one, but - as that statement demonstrates - it's hard to talk about God without giving God a gender. To talk about God we have to call God something, and avoiding pronouns altogether is cumbersome, as I've just demonstrated again. "It" seems a bit rude, talking as if God was an impersonal force like gravity or inflation. So God has to be "He" or "She", and in a patriarchal society there's no contest. As The Catechism of the Catholic Church says: "God is neither man nor woman: he is God".
    Other Christian groups have gone further than this though. A church in third-century Syria seems to have been in the habit of praying to the Holy Spirit in female terms. One of their holy books, the Acts of Thomas, tells of St Thomas presiding over a communion service, and calling on the Holy Spirit, saying: "Come, she that manifests the hidden things and makes the unspeakable things plain, the holy dove that bears the twin young. Come, the hidden mother… Come and communicate with us in this eucharist".
    Other gnostic, or mystical, Christian groups in the early Church went further from mainstream Christianity, believing that God, unknowable in himself/herself has many emanations, both male and female. The female ones include spirits called Aletheia (Truth), and Zoe (Life), and Spiritus (Spirit), Ecclesia (Church), and Sophia (Wisdom). The universe came into being through Sophia (though gnostics regarded this as a bad move) and at the end of time she will be the bride of Christ. Gnostics were baptised - according to their Catholic opponent Irenaeus - with the words: "Into the name of the unknown Father of the universe - into Truth, the mother of all things".




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    Though this was a long way from the outlook of the established Church, Christian writing that is entirely accepted by the Church has also seen a feminine side to God. Julian of Norwich - an English recluse - in her 14th-Century Revelations of Divine Love says: "Just as God is our Father, so God is also our Mother". She talks about "our precious mother, Jesus". She speaks of the Trinity, usually described as Father, Son and Holy Spirit, in these terms: "Our Father desires, our Mother operates and our good Lord the Holy Ghost confirms".
    St Anselm, the 11th-century Archbishop of Canterbury, prayed to "Christ, my mother" and called God "the great mother". St John Chrysostom called Christ our "friend, and member, and head, and brother, and sister, and mother".




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    Such ways of talking about God were only occasional until the past 50 years, when feminist theologians started to persuade churches that traditional religious language unnecessarily excluded women. As Mary Daly, for example, wrote in 1973: "If God is male, then the male is God".
    Since the 1980s, new translations of the Bible have used inclusive language. "What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?" in the King James Bible, became in the New Revised Standard Version of 1989, "What are human beings that you are mindful of them, mortals that you care for them?"
    Most Bible translations still use masculine language for God, if not for human beings, but there are exceptions. Good as New: A radical retelling of scripture, a 2003 translation of the New Testament by John Henson and the ONE Community for Christian Exploration, calls God "your parent" rather than "your father". The Holy Spirit is a she, and though Jesus is a he, the translation avoids ever using a pronoun for God.
    As for the language of church services, other British denominations have gone ahead of the Church of England into inclusivity. The Methodist Church introduced a new service book in 1999 which uses both male and female language for God, "our Father and our Mother". The United Reformed Church agreed in 1984 to use inclusive language in all its publications and last year its General Assembly called on all URC congregations to use "inclusive and expansive language and imagery in worship".
    The question is not one to trouble polytheistic religions, with their male and female gods. It has had an impact on some parts of Judaism though. In 1975, in the US, Naomi Janowitz and Margaret Wenig produced a version of the prayer book Siddur Nashim which used female pronouns and images for God. In 1996, Gates of Repentance, the High Holy Day prayer book of Reform Judaism, was published, calling God "sovereign" instead of "king", and "source" or "parent" instead of father.
    There has been no comparable movement in Islam, which is less open to this kind of reinterpretation. Christianity and Judaism, however, seem to be in the process of a major continuing realignment.


    Kumari, girl worshipped as an incarnation of the Hindu goddess Durga, Bhaktapur, Nepal, Asia

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    It is traditional for Hindus and Buddhists in Nepal to worship "Kumari Devi" - pre-pubescent girls who are believed to be the reincarnation of the Hindu goddess Durga.


    Nepal's Living Goddess

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #1 - June 04, 2015, 12:45 AM

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    A group in the Church of England is calling for services to address God as "She" as well as "He".



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  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #2 - June 04, 2015, 12:51 AM

    Thought it could generate some interesting discussions and I might learn something new. popcorn

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #3 - June 04, 2015, 01:50 AM

    Well God has been in the bible describe both male and female so I don't see why not.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #4 - June 04, 2015, 02:10 AM

    It's kinda obvious why lol, God was labelled "He" so that men could subjugate women and ensure a patriachal social system where the guys held all the power.  There's an elder woman on last sundays The Big Questions who explains it beautifully, i can't paste anything as i'm on an old clapped out phone .
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #5 - June 04, 2015, 09:24 AM

    I have an interesting anecdote, one time a few years ago, quite some time after I'd converted to Islam, I was driving and another car spun out of control (there was a steep hill, a sharp turn, and rain involved) and was about to hit me and I screamed "OH GODDESS!" and they stopped just short of hitting me.  whistling2

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #6 - June 04, 2015, 01:24 PM

    God is not female because it doesn't exist.

    Checkmate.  L-O-L Alice Cooper

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #7 - June 04, 2015, 03:32 PM

    It's all to do with the conquest by patriarchy.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #8 - June 04, 2015, 05:19 PM

    God is not female because it doesn't exist.

    Checkmate.  L-O-L Alice Cooper

    So you're saying males don't exist?
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #9 - June 04, 2015, 06:59 PM

    How do you choose to characterize a nonentity?

    Factually speaking is a dragon male or female?

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #10 - June 04, 2015, 07:50 PM

    I have an interesting anecdote, one time a few years ago, quite some time after I'd converted to Islam, I was driving and another car spun out of control (there was a steep hill, a sharp turn, and rain involved) and was about to hit me and I screamed "OH GODDESS!" and they stopped just short of hitting me.  whistling2

  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #11 - June 04, 2015, 10:44 PM

    Actually many of the earliest gods were female.

    gods of fertility.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #12 - June 04, 2015, 10:45 PM

    The Abrahamic religions are not the only religions on earth.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #13 - June 04, 2015, 11:02 PM

  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #14 - June 04, 2015, 11:04 PM

    She dates from 6000 BC.

    Long before the Abrahamic god was invented.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #15 - June 04, 2015, 11:06 PM

    Have you read the book The Alphabet and The Goddess? Great read. (Thanks, luthiel)
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #16 - June 04, 2015, 11:09 PM

    There have been societies that worshipped goddesses. But it seems that patriarchal societies were more agressive and more militaristic and they simply overran and destroyed the ones that were more into worshiping the feminine. Plus i think it is easier to control women than men, so religions need to keep men more happy than women to succeed.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #17 - June 04, 2015, 11:14 PM

    Here is possibly one of the oldest gods on record - well in painting form anyway.

    From the Chauvet cave in France - it is 32,000 years old!!

    Half-woman-half-bull. (Vaginas & Meat were of utmost importance.)

  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #18 - June 05, 2015, 05:28 AM

    Actually many of the earliest gods were female.

    gods of fertility.


    Fertility gods were also more numerous in most pantheons while the supreme gods usually represented singular or few concepts such as rule, law, justice, etc. If you compare the aspect the fertility gods covered the average person would have spent more time worshiping these gods over Ra, Zeus, and other supreme gods. While we assigned a lot of authority to male gods it is the fertility gods, mostly women or unisex, that gave the world life and continued to do so.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #19 - June 05, 2015, 07:55 AM

    How do you choose to characterize a nonentity?

    Factually speaking is a dragon male or female?

    The way fiction writers choose to give one of their characters a gender.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #20 - June 05, 2015, 08:56 AM

  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #21 - June 05, 2015, 06:21 PM

    If you're in fact an Atheist... What would it matter to you what others think about the God, god , Gods or gods they chose to have?

    I mean after all you don't even think there's any God....

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #22 - June 05, 2015, 07:28 PM

    Everyone likes to ask discuss, debate, question and just muse on stuff. Do you have a problem with that?

    Having said all that - I'm not an Atheist.

    Also Hi Lynna Smiley

  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #23 - June 05, 2015, 10:21 PM

    If you're in fact an Atheist... What would it matter to you what others think about the God, god , Gods or gods they chose to have?

    I mean after all you don't even think there's any God....


    I have an interest in history which involves religion considering how much influences it has in the past. This provides insight into how people thought at the time, how they acts and what influence these views had on their societies. How can one properly understand the Roman Republic with knowledge of Roman religions since the culture and state were religious in nature. These basic principles are useful when attempting to understand the people we interact with daily and those of our respective nations. If someone supports a law which makes sex only legal in a marriage I want to know their reasons. When this reasoning involves a deity I need to understand their view of this deity as the basis of their rational. This becomes the difference between truly understanding others views or creating a strawman made up of my own internal knowledge.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #24 - June 07, 2015, 11:15 PM

    If you're in fact an Atheist... What would it matter to you what others think about the God, god , Gods or gods they chose to have?

    I mean after all you don't even think there's any God....

    Why does that matter as far as personal interest goes?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #25 - June 08, 2015, 06:31 AM

    If you're in fact an Atheist... What would it matter to you what others think about the God, god , Gods or gods they chose to have?

    I mean after all you don't even think there's any God....


    Well, two things: one, from an academic level, I like studying religion and how it has evolved and changed over time both in society and in people and in particular the interactions between religion and (specifically psychological) health. Two, from a personal level, the majority of the people making public policy in a good deal of the world (including where I live) are religious, and their religious views may impact their policies, which in turn impacts me as a member of society.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #26 - June 08, 2015, 08:14 AM

    I should also mention I am a Syro-Palestinian archaeologist, aka Biblical archaeologist. Religious texts thus god(s) are a major point of study in my field. From Canaanite and Philistines religions to Judaism and Christianity. So the questions about god and religions are always on my mind.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #27 - June 09, 2015, 05:10 PM

    Everyone likes to ask discuss, debate, question and just muse on stuff. Do you have a problem with that?

    Having said all that - I'm not an Atheist.

    Also Hi Lynna Smiley


    Hi Hassan,
    It is nice to see you here. I know for awhile you were away or incognito are something. I hope youre well.

    I haven't time to address all the points now as I should actually be leaving for work. When the prison calls it's employees comply.

    Yes indeed there are many curiosity are knowledge seeking reasons to wonder about what a others think or believe about something as has been brought out.

    But do all or most of the post on this thread reflect that line of thought?
    I don't know ... any one knows me knows I'm not real good with humour. So perhaps I'm wrong ... but it seems as if there are some that are demeaning of others...

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #28 - June 11, 2015, 01:03 AM

    I didn't mean to stop the conversation...
    I only wonder how ...

    or this...
    So you're saying males don't exist?


    do to contribute to a conversation about understanding another person's  political or social  points of view?

    Very truthfully I didn't realize that both those post were by the same person until I went to quote them.

    The first is more discussable.... but where is the discussion...?
    The second is however what? .... Perhaps the same kind of attitudes that promotes the line of thought .. What if "it" is real and those who think "it" isn't are wrong...

    Anyhow ...

    Yes I have been convinced by the evidence that there is a God who created all things and is interested in that creation. It doesn't bother me that in the written ancient and modern information about that God he is referred to as male.  Really spirit beings don't have sexual anatomy like physical beings. So ... well the whole thing is rather ... a long account to think of all aspects.
    I'm also aware there are many ways people can use the terms God, god, Gods and gods. I know that I also in my own vocabulary use it in a way that offends some people, as I'll say things like."I person can make anything their God (or god) by making it the center of importance in their life"

    Or like galfromusa has to say...

    "one, from an academic level, I like studying religion and how it has evolved and changed over time both in society and in people and in particular the interactions between religion and (specifically psychological) health. Two, from a personal level, the majority of the people making public policy in a good deal of the world (including where I live) are religious, and their religious views may impact their policies, which in turn impacts me as a member of society."

    Where is the discussion that goes with either of these points? Well, it may be somewhere that I missed.  But it doesn't necessarily hold true what someone religiously believes about God dictates how they will act toward other people's freedom and right to choose what they what to be or do.

    Humm... I don't want a conversation that is going in way to many directions.


    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #29 - June 11, 2015, 01:39 AM

    I am quite interested that the two biggest religions on the planet have a lone father god. I always thought a mother goddess made more sense. As for your earlier comment:
    If you're in fact an Atheist... What would it matter to you what others think about the God, god , Gods or gods they chose to have?

    I mean after all you don't even think there's any God....

    there can be multiple reasons. I don't feel that any religion is off limits, I view them as a part of human history and life. I am a human. They belong to me as much as anyone else. There's also the fact that religion and belief shape our societies. You can't understand western history without understanding christianity. You can't understand much of eastern history without understanding islam. And obviously the beliefs of those we share a country/culture/society with will also impact us, to large and small degrees.

    I think these are valid reasons for the non religious to show interest.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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