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  • Updating you on my hypocrisy
     OP - July 19, 2015, 11:03 PM

    Dear readers, Here are my Sunday evening ramblings:

    I believe it was the Ramadan of 2013 where I sort of stumbled upon the conclusion that I want to become a Kafir and it was the same era I embraced my fate to be burnt in the eternal hell fire, or "Janhannam" as it is referred to in the Holy, merciful and sweet Qur'an. So I feel like giving you an update 2 years down the line of me being a "Munafiq" (Hypocrite) and a "Kafir". Also, do take much of what I say with a pinch of salt, I can't help but satirically input mocking phrases to the religion that has stolen golden years of my younger days.

    To begin with, Ramadan was a pain in the ass, despite the fact that I live alone and don't have the hiding-my-food issue. However, I just hate lying to my parents on every phone call or even to Muslim friends who ask "How's the fast going? Long days right?..." and I find myself lying, on a regular basis. I just don't like it. I don't like lying. I don't like being a hypocrite. But I have to.

    More conclusions I came to:

    -In the 2 years that I have been a Kafir, there have probably been millions of Muslims praying for the come-back of the Ummah....and in all that time, I think Allah has simply been too busy giving Aids to young African Children, because the Muslim world is going from bad to worse. Or maybe the signal up in the heavens is too weak? (Maybe use Fibre Optics for a faster connection to Allah? Maybe a 0800 Free call?) Anyway, why does Dua not work? Oh wait, if Allah doesn't answer in this life, he answers in the hereafter. Oh right, okay no problem, well Muslims will just have to put up with being in the bottom 10 for every corruption/inequality categorization ranks there are. No biggy (No Diggitty if you know Chet Faker Wink )

    -I've noticed that closet Muslims in the Arab world resort to dark humour and sarcasm to portray their "kufr" (disbelief). I think there is a reason why such strategy is chosen. It doesn't explicitly divulge your kufr, but in the same time, causes enough thought provocation to make you question. I think this is a good strategy for tackling Islam. Show them how ridiculously stupid and silly it is.

    -It still makes me laugh how the "Kuffar" managed to land on the moon, discover the best technological and healthcare solutions, create the best welfare systems, create progressive societies towards equality and much more ALL THE WHILE Muslims STILL think that they are the underdogs that are not being given the chance, and that in reality "if Muslims actually hold fast to the true deen, we will see the ummah return". I find it strange too how Muslims emigrate to kafir lands, accept their gratitude and hospitality, yet deep inside their ape-brains, they believe they will be burnt up in the hottest ovens in Hell (Probably manufactured by a German company). It's such a cocky and polarised view where you think you're right, and the others are totally misled. Wake the fudge up. If your "Deen" was indeed a divine system sent down from the heavens, then 1,400 years is probably more than plenty for you to show us world domination and prosperity. But instead, the following words: Poverty, inequality, terrorism, hunger, genocide are synonymous with Muslim countries such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Somalia, Sudan etc.

    -I do feel sorry for Muslims, particularly the younger youthful ones. They are being held down by outdated laws. I do feel for them. I feel bad. I wish I could efficiently sway them away from it so that they can focus their energies on useful things on their lives.

    -With certain crowds, the best think you can do - thought extremely difficult - is just avoid discussing Religion & Politics. Simple. Stay away from those two topics and no one will touch you. Or at least they won't have any firm ground on your satanic beliefs.

    -I am still sexist and homophobic, despite leaving Islam and being brought up in England. All I'm saying is, that my backward way of seeing the world is not a result of my religion, but my North African cultural upbringing. Which brings me to an important point, the reason why Islam is doing badly, is that culture has mixed with it indiscriminately.

    -For any Muslims reading this, let me tell you that in my 2 years of Kufr I've significantly received better grades for my undergraduate studies, I've began to understand that my time on this earth is finite and I should work very hard to ensure my economical prosperity to raise children and ultimately contribute something meaningful to the world before my inevitable departure. Do I drink Alcohol? Yes I do. But let me tell you, I go to the gym 5 days a week, eat extremely healthily, take care of my appearance and only drink on occasions or socially infrequently (4 or 5 times a month in fact) - otherwise, it's an added extra (this is just in case you think I left Islam for Alcohol haha). I'm generally a better person. I don't feel guilty. I don't feel the need to say "astaghfirullah" every second of the freaking day. That feeling of GUILT that sheikhs shove up your anal passage from age 1 goes and fades. It's not healthy. And I should not be apologizing to a mythical all powerful Allah for breaking rules that never existed.

    I really could go on but let me end on this note to my fellow Ex Muslims on this board:

    It gives me comfort and relaxation to read the similarity between my struggles and your struggles. You're not alone. Being an undercover, secret Jahannam Warrior is difficult. It is emotionally demanding. It is painful. But always remember, you're not alone. There are many just like you struggling.

    And oh, in case Islam is true; Bring sun-cream with you, I heard Hell is hot  Wink
  • Updating you on my hypocrisy
     Reply #1 - July 20, 2015, 01:54 AM

    I have heard the "culture mixed with Islam" thing mostly from the other side of the fence. The purists who believe that removing the culture would benefit the spread and practice of Islam and thus the human race.
    My take on why Islam is doing badly is that it is not. It seems pretty successful from my vantage.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Updating you on my hypocrisy
     Reply #2 - July 20, 2015, 05:06 AM

    A lot of Muslims in my community think our lives would be better if we just got rid of Arab culture. The thing is, they are the same thing. The religion is a big part of the culture. Fortunately I think we are culture and there are many facets to it, and alternative ways of living.

    "Nothing lasts forever. Even the stars die."

    A for Atheist
    A for Apostate
    A for Anonymous
    A for Aqua
  • Updating you on my hypocrisy
     Reply #3 - July 20, 2015, 07:38 AM


    -I am still sexist and homophobic, despite leaving Islam and being brought up in England. All I'm saying is, that my backward way of seeing the world is not a result of my religion, but my North African cultural upbringing. Which brings me to an important point, the reason why Islam is doing badly, is that culture has mixed with it indiscriminately.


    Is that anything you're willing to work on, or are just sticking to your "Oh well, culture" argument?

    I say that because I am North-African, and I was raised in North-Africa, and used to be quite homophobic and sexist (and I'm a woman, mind you, but women are pretty good at putting themselves down) and I grew out of it. So what's your excuse?

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Updating you on my hypocrisy
     Reply #4 - July 20, 2015, 09:34 AM

    Is that anything you're willing to work on, or are just sticking to your "Oh well, culture" argument?



    ^^^^^^^
    This.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Updating you on my hypocrisy
     Reply #5 - July 20, 2015, 01:27 PM

    A lot of Muslims in my community think our lives would be better if we just got rid of Atab culture. The thing is, they are the same thing. The religion is a big part of the culture. the culture. Fortunately I think we are culture and there are many facets to it, and alternative ways of living.


    When you think about it "Islam" is just an expression of Arab culture of a certain time and milieu.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Updating you on my hypocrisy
     Reply #6 - July 20, 2015, 01:34 PM

    I agree with Naerys. There comes a point when you need to check your worldview and stop blaming it on culture. We can do as the rest of the sheep do or we can make up our own minds.

    "Nothing lasts forever. Even the stars die."

    A for Atheist
    A for Apostate
    A for Anonymous
    A for Aqua
  • Updating you on my hypocrisy
     Reply #7 - July 20, 2015, 08:31 PM

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    When you think about it "Islam" is just an expression of Arab culture of a certain time and milieu.

    Islam is the stitching that holds together the ruined quilt of Arab culture. I hope the stitching unravels soon and real healing will begin.

    "Nothing lasts forever. Even the stars die."

    A for Atheist
    A for Apostate
    A for Anonymous
    A for Aqua
  • Updating you on my hypocrisy
     Reply #8 - July 21, 2015, 11:30 AM

    Is that anything you're willing to work on, or are just sticking to your "Oh well, culture" argument?

    I say that because I am North-African, and I was raised in North-Africa, and used to be quite homophobic and sexist (and I'm a woman, mind you, but women are pretty good at putting themselves down) and I grew out of it. So what's your excuse?


    That is indeed a sophisticated question.

    Let me touch on other points and slowly answer your question. I think some parts of Islam are great. In fact, I've seen first hand how it has stopped people from doing bad and how it motivated them for good. However, regardless of how brilliant and amazing Islam could ever be, it does not mean it is true. And as a person who takes science and empirical data as a far more graspable facet than mere hope and stipulation, I care more about the truth, and Islam isn't the truth.

    Islam was fantastic when it came out, one thousand, four hundred years ago. That is a freaking long time ago. It abolished slavery, gave women their rights, and was essentially a great political system. It was a REVOLUTION. Today however, it is completely outdated. It's rusty, dusty and there is no evidence to show otherwise.

    With regards to culture and Islam; yes, the 1,400 year old Arab culture can be seen all through the Qur'an and the hadith. The hijab, is Arab culture and was present before Islam. In fact, so many Islamic teachings were already commonplace in Pre-Islamic Arab eras. The ridiculous hardline sheiks of today are the ones that are intellectually unable to make the distinction between Islam's core teachings and whether you should grow a beard or not.

    Frankly, I stand up for Islam on many occasions, despite the fact that I hate the influence it is having on billions of people around the globe. I have only become an ex-Muslim after thoroughly and intrinsically studying Islam inside and outside. I am a fluent Arabic speaker, I memorise half the Qur'an off by heart. I've read countless narrations, tafsir and miracles of the Qur'an junk. I've lead many Juma prayers and have delivered countless Khutbas to large audiences. In fact I also occasionally stumble upon people that remember me for the influence I had on them during their youth years (little do they know I am a Kafir destined for a hot hell ha ha ha). Why am I mentioning this? Just to communicate that Islam isn't complete and utter BS. There is some content there that can be fruitful. But it has been corrupted. Islam has no future. Period.

    So, will I work on trying to alter my homophobic and sexist beliefs? Am I sexist and homophobic? No. Not at all.

    I have a couple of gay male friends who I regularly talk to. I've interacted with gays before in multiple social occasions. I don't show repulse openly or treat them differently, all it is, is that deep inside me, it disgusts me. I see no biological justification for why a man would want to procreate with another man when there is no offspring to be made at the end.

    Which leads me to women. I love women. I adore them to the last degree. It's the reason why I work hard, why I work out, maintain an athletic body, groom myself well, and try to excel amongst average males. I simply cannot comprehend - due to my arrogance? - why a man would not prefer the warmth and sweetness of a woman over a hair emotionless brick man. It simply doesn't add up in my brain. Maybe I lack empathy in that department.

    Am I sexist? Nah. I just get ticked off by these new "feminazis" and these hardcore feminists who have become forces that purely hate on men. I believe women should be free to wear what they want and not get judges or harassed. Women should get paid the same money for the same job a man would do. Absolutely. I don't disagree with the western principles on the rights of women. But. I do vehemently believe men and women are different. Extremely different. Not for better or for worse. Just different. We are different creatures. We sway differently, think differently and our biologies are different! We should accept that. It's okay.

    So I retract my statements. They were probably just exaggerated from my side.

    I pray for a world free of the chains and restrictions of religion.

    Looking forward to hear your responses. That is indeed a sophisticated question.
  • Updating you on my hypocrisy
     Reply #9 - July 21, 2015, 02:43 PM

    Well that is very interesting post from  twolives ., Hmmm.. it is also interesting nick  "twolives" ..  twoliveswithoneeye..  lol...just kidding great posts.. great writing...

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    ..................Islam was fantastic when it came out, one thousand, four hundred years ago. That is  freaking long time ago. It abolished slavery, gave women their rights, and was essentially a great political system. It was a REVOLUTION. Today however, it is completely outdated. It's rusty, dusty and there is no evidence to show otherwise...................


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    ................With regards to culture and Islam; yes, the 1,400 year old Arab culture can be seen all through the Qur'an and the hadith. The hijab, is Arab culture and was present before Islam. In fact, so many Islamic teachings were already commonplace in Pre-Islamic Arab eras. The ridiculous hardline sheiks of today are the ones that are intellectually unable to make the distinction between Islam's core teachings and whether you should grow a beard or not.............


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    ...................Frankly, I stand up for Islam on many occasions, despite the fact that I hate the influence it is having on billions of people around the globe. I have only become an ex-Muslim after thoroughly and intrinsically studying Islam inside and outside. I am a fluent Arabic speaker, I memorise half the Qur'an off by heart. I've read countless narrations, tafsir and miracles of the Qur'an junk. I've lead many Juma prayers and have delivered countless Khutbas to large audiences. In fact I also occasionally stumble upon people that remember me for the influence I had on them during their youth years (little do they know I am a Kafir destined for a hot hell ha ha ha). Why am I mentioning this? Just to communicate that Islam isn't complete and utter BS. There is some content there that can be fruitful. But it has been corrupted. Islam has no future. Period........................


    Hello  twolives welcome to CEMB..  great words.. I have to agree with some parts of your posts.. intime we will discuss those points... well let me throw a complain at you .. you said something about Scientific miracles of Quran but YOU DIDN'T WRITE ANYTHING ABOUT LINGUISTIC MIRACLES OF QURAN .. may be you don't know .. so watch the tubes..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-ULa2JzPG0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5ldjvLuK6k

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cebokrZZtqQ

    that tortoise tortilla needs hair cut.. and dear  "twolives"  talk to me and to the readers on more miracles of Quran/Islam for that matter any religion..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Updating you on my hypocrisy
     Reply #10 - July 21, 2015, 10:23 PM

    Islam was fantastic when it came out, one thousand, four hundred years ago. That is a freaking long time ago. It abolished slavery, gave women their rights, and was essentially a great political system. It was a REVOLUTION. Today however, it is completely outdated. It's rusty, dusty and there is no evidence to show otherwise.


    It didn't abolish slavery; it said freeing slaves was noble and would expiate sins, but it didn't forbid owning slaves. And it didn't really give women many rights they didn't already have. Khadijah was a businesswoman with lots of money and property that she herself owned, even before the advent of Islam, so the idea that women could own land and property must not have been too revolutionary for the Arab peoples of that time. The one thing it may have done is give rights to divorced women and widows; but even that's not so great because the thing that apologists say it is supposed to rectify is that no one wants to marry them and therefore they were poor, and maybe they don't want to remarry, maybe they want to be independent; and it didn't change the fact that no one marries "damaged goods" in the Muslim world, anyway.



    I have a couple of gay male friends who I regularly talk to. I've interacted with gays before in multiple social occasions. I don't show repulse openly or treat them differently, all it is, is that deep inside me, it disgusts me. I see no biological justification for why a man would want to procreate with another man when there is no offspring to be made at the end.


    It's not about procreation. It's not even about sex. It's about who they're attracted to. There's a big difference. You don't need to sleep with everyone you're attracted to to still be attracted to them, and in fact it's possible to sleep with someone you're not attracted to. As for finding it repulsive, I find all sexuality repulsive, especially heterosexuality. And although I do often make the case that the world would be better without it, I'm not out there fighting to make allosexual people take their sexuality out of the public, I'm not trying to make it something they're ashamed to admit to, I'm not fighting to deny them rights based on it. There's a difference between personal disgust and recognition that your feelings have no right to make decisions for other people.


    Which leads me to women. I love women. I adore them to the last degree. It's the reason why I work hard, why I work out, maintain an athletic body, groom myself well, and try to excel amongst average males. I simply cannot comprehend - due to my arrogance? - why a man would not prefer the warmth and sweetness of a woman over a hair emotionless brick man. It simply doesn't add up in my brain. Maybe I lack empathy in that department.


    It's not about hating women or disliking their company, and it's not true that gay and lesbian people can't connect with the opposite sex. Most of them have perfectly fine relationships with their opposite-gender parents, and a good number have an opposite gender best friend who they feel comfortable enough to confide in. It's not that they can't connect on an emotional level; it's that they don't feel sexual attraction to them. I don't have personal experience with sexual attraction, but I can tell you that in terms of the scientific literature, of which there is plenty, the consensus seems to be that you find arousing whatever you find arousing, and nothing really changes that very much, except some small changes that happen over the course of an entire lifetime, usually without the person being aware the changes are occurring or have occurred. Look how many straight marriages break up because after several years, someone says "I'm not attracted to you anymore." So in that sense, it can change a little, but not so drastically that you'll go to bed gay and wake up straight, any more than people go to bed straight and wake up gay. That's not something that happens to anyone. People find some people attractive and some people unattractive, and that's not going to change by doing something like forcing them to have sex with someone they are not attracted to.


    Am I sexist? Nah. I just get ticked off by these new "feminazis" and these hardcore feminists who have become forces that purely hate on men. I believe women should be free to wear what they want and not get judges or harassed. Women should get paid the same money for the same job a man would do. Absolutely. I don't disagree with the western principles on the rights of women. But. I do vehemently believe men and women are different. Extremely different. Not for better or for worse. Just different. We are different creatures. We sway differently, think differently and our biologies are different! We should accept that. It's okay.



    The problem I have with a lot of modern, Western feminists is that they overlook the problems of real-world women (like FGM, forced marriage, honor crimes, constraint of women's movement, etc) to focus on women in video games and other artistic mediums, when the link between on-screen, artistic violence and real-world violence is tenuous at best, and most of the studies that indicate that it exists are based on the flawed method of studying the people who commit those crimes and not the wider population of people who play those games/enjoy that art form, meaning that they can only at best be used to prove that a certain subset of the population may take inspiration from the artistic mediums under certain conditions.

    Also, while most men and most women do seem to have certain distinguishing features and desires, separate from their biological and sexual characteristics, not all people fit neatly into a gender binary. In fact a significant minority don't. And you can't take rights from those people or pretend they don't exist simply because they don't fit in the binary.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Updating you on my hypocrisy
     Reply #11 - July 22, 2015, 12:08 PM

    Thank you for your deep, thoughtful and thoroughly critical responses. It's great to see such a community which is scientific in it's approach to dialogue as well as civil. Much like the Islamic world today (Ha!).

    I feel like I'm extremely out of my depth right now and it is clear that some of you fine researchers certainly excel me in knowledge about much of what I said. I found your perspectives and responses very enlightening and refreshing.

    Actually, I really do hope Muslims do come across these boards to at least see the other side of the fence. I wish more of them get the exposure. They could be living lives free of daily guilt and istighfar.

    Also, please continue to share your commentary and critiques. Very interesting.
  • Updating you on my hypocrisy
     Reply #12 - July 22, 2015, 12:32 PM


    "Islam was fantastic when it came out, one thousand, four hundred years ago. That is a freaking long time ago. It abolished slavery, gave women their rights, and was essentially a great political system. It was a REVOLUTION.  .."    


    well to substantiate  that statement we need have some early  history and historical proofs on origins of Islam  ...  at least first 100 years of Islam starting from the birth Prophet of Islam...

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    571: Birth of the Holy Prophet. Year of the Elephant. Invasion of Makkah by Abraha the Viceroy of Yemen, his retreat.
    577: The Holy Prophet visits Madina with his mother. Death of his mother.
    580: Death of Abdul Muttalib, the grandfather of the Holy Prophet.
    583: The Holy Prophet's journey to Syria in the company of his uncle Abu Talib. His meeting with the monk Bahira at Bisra who foretells of his prophethood.
    586: The Holy Prophet participates in the war of Fijar.
    591: The Holy Prophet becomes an active member of "Hilful Fudul", a league for the relief of the distressed.
    594: The Holy Prophet becomes the Manager of the business of Lady Khadija, and leads her trade caravan to Syria and back.
    595: The Holy Prophet marries Hadrat Khadija. ..
    620: Journey to Taif. Ascension to the heavens.
    621: First pledge at Aqaba.
    622: Second pledge at Aqaba. The Holy Prophet and the Muslims migrate to Yathrib.
    623: Nakhla expedition.
    624: Battle of Badr. Expulsion of the Bani Qainuqa Jews from Madina.
    625: Battle of Uhud. Massacre of 70 Muslims at Bir Mauna. Expulsion of Banu Nadir Jews from Madina. Second expedition of Badr.
    626: Expedition of Banu Mustaliq.
    627: Battle of the Trench. Expulsion of Banu Quraiza Jews.
    628: Truce of Hudaibiya. Expedition to Khyber. The Holy Prophet addresses letters to various heads of states.
    629: The Holy Prophet performs the pilgrimage at Makkah. Expedition to Muta (Romans).
    630: Conquest of Makkah. Battles of Hunsin, Auras, and Taif.
    631: Expedition to Tabuk. Year of Deputations.
    632: Farewell pilgrimage at Makkah.
    632: Death of the Holy Prophet.Election of Hadrat Abu Bakr as the Caliph.


    So  that is (Alleged) life time of Prophet of Islam .. Now question is ...

    Was Islam fantastic during the life time of Prophet??  .. Now let us look at  Islam 50 years after the death of Prophet   So prophet died in the year  632..  let us see the history until the year 682 or so

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    632: Death of the Holy Prophet.Election of Hadrat Abu Bakr as the Caliph.   Usamah leads expedition to Syria. Battles of Zu Qissa and Abraq. Battles of Buzakha, Zafar and Naqra. Campaigns against Bani Tamim and Musailima, the Liar.

    633:  Campaigns in Bahrain, Oman, Mahrah Yemen, and Hadramaut. Raids in Iraq. Battles of Kazima, Mazar, Walaja, Ulleis, Hirah, Anbar, Ein at tamr, Daumatul Jandal and Firaz.

    634: Battles of Basra, Damascus and Ajnadin. Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph. Battles of Namaraq and Saqatia.

     635: Battle of Bridge. Battle of Buwaib. Conquest of Damascus. Battle of Fahl.

    636: Battle of Yermuk. Battle of Qadsiyia. Conquest of Madain.

    637: Conquest of Syria. Fall of Jerusalem. Battle of Jalula.

    638: Conquest of Jazirah.

    639: Conquest of Khuizistan. Advance into Egypt.

    640: Capture of the post of Caesaria in Syria. Conquest of Shustar and Jande Sabur in Persia. Battle of Babylon in Egypt.

    641: Battle of Nihawand. Conquest Of Alexandria in Egypt.

     642:Battle of Rayy in Persia. Conquest of Egypt. Foundation of Fustat.

    643: Conquest of Azarbaijan and Tabaristan (Russia).

    644: Conquest of Fars, Kerman, Sistan, Mekran and Kharan.[/u] Martyrdom of Hadrat Umar. Hadrat Othman becomes the Caliph.

    645: Campaigns in Fats.

    646: Campaigns in Khurasan, Armeain and Asia Minor.

    647: Campaigns in North Africa. Conquest of the island of Cypress.

    648: Campaigns against the Byzantines.

    651: Naval battle of the Masts against the Byzantines.

    652: Discontentment and disaffection against the rule of Hadrat Othman.

    656: Martyrdom of Hadrat Othman. Hadrat Ali becomes the Caliph. Battle of the Camel.

    657: Hadrat Ali shifts the capital from Madina to Kufa. Battle of Siffin. Arbitration proceedings at Daumaut ul Jandal.

    658: Battle of Nahrawan.

    659: Conquest of Egypt by Mu'awiyah.

    660: Hadrat Ali recaptures Hijaz and Yemen from Mu'awiyah. Mu'awiyah declares himself as the Caliph at Damascus.

    661: Martyrdom of Hadrat Ali. Accession of Hadrat Hasan and his abdication. Mu'awiyah becomes the sole Caliph.

    662: Khawarij revolts.

    666: Raid of Sicily.

    670: Advance in North Africa. Uqba b Nafe founds the town of Qairowan in Tunisia. Conquest of Kabul.

    672: Capture of the island of Rhodes. Campaigns in Khurasan.

    674: The Muslims cross the Oxus. Bukhara becomes a vassal state.

    677: Occupation of Sarnarkand and Tirmiz. Siege of Constantinople.

    680: Death of Muawiyah. Accession of Yazid. Tragedy of Kerbala and martyrdom of Hadrat Hussain.

    682: In North Africa Uqba b Nafe marches to the Atlantic, is ambushed and killed at Biskra. The Muslims evacuate Qairowan and withdraw to Burqa.

    683: Death of Yazid. Accession of Mu'awiyah II.

    684: Abdullah b Zubair declares himself aS the Caliph at'Makkah. Marwan I becomes the Caliph' at Damascus. Battle of Marj Rahat.


    Now dear twolives - question again is Was Islam fantastic during the 50 years  after the death of Prophet??

    Well what I see there is Battle Cries.. Conquest Cries Campaign cries, revolts, Murders and Martyrdoms .. Could we consider that era of Islam as Fantastic?

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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