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  • Blogger hacked to death in Dhaka
     OP - August 07, 2015, 01:14 PM

    A Bangladeshi blogger known for his atheist views has been hacked to death by a gang armed with machetes in the capital Dhaka, police say.

    Niloy Neel was attacked at his home in the city's Goran area.

    He is the fourth secularist blogger to have been killed this year by suspected Islamist militants in Bangladesh.

    Imran H Sarkar, head of the Bangladesh Blogger and Activist Network, told the BBC that Mr Neel had been an anti-extremist voice of reason. "He was the voice against fundamentalism and extremism and was even a voice for minority rights - especially women's rights and the rights of indigenous people," he said.

    BBC World Service South Asia editor Charles Haviland says that, like previous victims, Mr Neel was not only secular but atheist and, like two of the others, he was from a Hindu, not a Muslim, background.

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    Analysis: Mukul Devichand, editor, BBC Trending
    All four men killed were on a list of 84 "atheist bloggers" drawn up by Islamic groups in 2013 and widely circulated.

    It was originally submitted to the government with the aim of having the bloggers arrested and tried for blasphemy. The groups which wanted bloggers arrested told us they have no knowledge of who is behind the killings.

    There is also a more complex backdrop to the killings. Islamic groups label all these bloggers "atheists" - and many did indeed use the internet to criticise those who believe in God.

    But in fact, not all the bloggers were atheists. What they did have in common was they were part of a wider, secular movement that took to the streets in protest in 2013.

    Bangladesh's murdered bloggers
    The BBC's Akbar Hossain in Dhaka says Mr Neel had filed a police report expressing fear for his life, but his complaints had not been not followed up.

    Police said about six attackers had tricked their way into Mr Neel's home by saying they were looking to rent a flat.

    "Two of them then took him to a room and then slaughtered him there," deputy police commissioner Muntashirul Islam said. "His wife was in the flat but she was confined to another room."

    Protest over killing of blogger Avijit Roy. 6 March 2015
    The killing of blogger Avijit Roy in February triggered protests in Bangladesh

    In May, secular blogger Ananta Bijoy Das was killed by masked men with machetes in Sylhet. He was said to have received death threats from Islamist extremists.

    In March, another blogger, Washiqur Rahman, was hacked to death in Dhaka. Blogger Avijit Roy, who courted controversy by championing atheism and also tackling issues such as homosexuality, was killed in Dhaka in February.

    Bangladesh is officially secular but critics say the government is indifferent to attacks on bloggers by Islamist militants.

    Two people have been arrested, but no-one charged, in connection with this year's killings, our correspondent adds.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33819032
  • Blogger hacked to death in Dhaka
     Reply #1 - August 07, 2015, 02:05 PM

    Fuck's sake, again?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Blogger hacked to death in Dhaka
     Reply #2 - August 07, 2015, 02:34 PM

    It could be that it happened even before but only now the cases are coming to light.
  • Blogger hacked to death in Dhaka
     Reply #3 - August 07, 2015, 02:36 PM

    I'm afraid this won't be the last of it. The news is less than two hour old. But that's not the point, note that the blogger in this instance was not even Muslim. I believe that any person with any faith that gives them righteous certainty is a sleeper cell without them necessarily being aware of it, especially when this faith contains articles of homicidal vivacity. I say this in the same, perhaps presumptuous, way that a lot of people try -- against all our active protestation -- to tell us we were Allah's slaves without us knowing it. I really don't know what to recommend apart from individuals lying low. I recall Salman Rushide saying in his unindexed, terribly long memoir Joseph Anton that risk needs to be spread when criticising Islam and publishing this criticism. Even with what's known as "extraterritoriality", they cannot fight us all, kill us all.

    INcePtion: that's possible.
  • Blogger hacked to death in Dhaka
     Reply #4 - August 14, 2015, 08:18 PM


    Police have arrested  these two hereos of Islam Masud Rana (second from left) and Saad-al-Nahin (third from left) over the murder of blogger Niladry Chattopadhya, who was killed at his home in Dhaka on 7 August. 


    and these are the folks who lost their lives for  just expressing their views ..



    The four Bangladeshi bloggers who have been killed this year: (clockwise from top left) Niloy Chakrabarti, Ananta Bijoy Das, Washiqur Rahman and Avijit Roy.

    Those four guys lost their lives   in recent times,  They were brutally murdered by  these  BANGLADESHI BABOONS OF ISLAM   for   just penning their  words on freedom  and ills of Islamic society due to Islam. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n0DV2XfaF8

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Blogger hacked to death in Dhaka
     Reply #5 - August 19, 2015, 08:58 AM

    Bangladesh blogger murders: UK man and two others arrested  says BBCnews

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OdFje55pVA

    Quote
    Police in Bangladesh have arrested three people, including a UK citizen, over the murders of secularist bloggers Avijit Roy and Ananta Bijoy Das. Both were hacked to death earlier this year. Police allege British-Bangladeshi Touhidur Rahman planned the killings.

    Mr Rahman, an IT expert, is alleged to have links with a banned militant group, Ansarullah Bangla Team (ABT). Editor of the BBC's Bengali service, Sabir Mustafa, said Mr Rahman is understood to have tracked the bloggers online.





    This Bastard goes from England to Bangladesh to plot and hack folks in Bangladesh just because they write something on web about his fucking faith...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Blogger hacked to death in Dhaka
     Reply #6 - August 19, 2015, 10:43 AM

    Touhidur Rahman: British IT worker


    Officials said that Rahman had played a key role in both planning and financing the attacks

    Quote
    A British IT worker has been accused of masterminding the brutal murders of two secular bloggers in Bangladesh, both of whom were hacked to death in the street by gangs of men wielding machetes.

    Touhidur Rahman, 58, a computer specialist who is originally from Bangladesh but gained British nationality and lived in the UK until at least 2011, was arrested by counter-terrorism officers in Dhaka late on 17 August. Two other men were also detained.

    A spokesman for Bangladesh’s Rapid Action Battalion (RAB) said all three men were believed to be “active members” of the Islamic extremist organisation called Ansarullah Bangla Team or ABT, which is thought to have orchestrated the killings of Avijit Roy and Ananta Bijoy Das...

    what IT worker? what computer geek?    That rogue is 58 year old fit for nothing scoundrel goes to Bangladesh to take the life of hard working highly educated and motivated folks   and ruin the lives of  their families just for his fucking faith...

    What did these BRUTAL BASTARDS OF ISLAM get by hacking folks like Avijit Roy ??  did they do that for houries and raisins??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Blogger hacked to death in Dhaka
     Reply #7 - August 28, 2015, 05:00 PM

    CEMB Press release, 19 August 2015

    In defence of Bangladeshi Bloggers

    Here’s a joint letter in defence of Bangladeshi Bloggers signed by Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain and affiliates. You can see updated signatories here.

    To Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina and President Abdul Hamid,

    We, concerned members of the blogging and activist community of Bangladesh and internationally, along with representatives of human rights organisations and other civil society organisations and supporters, wish to protest in the strongest possible terms the institutional attack on Bangladeshi citizens who profess humanist, atheist or secularist views.

    In the last two years, five bloggers (variously identifying as humanist, rationalist, atheist, and variously writing about science, humanist values, against Islamist extremism, or in favour of human rights and justice) have been murdered, hacked to death by assailants acting for fundamentalist militant groups (according to their own claims of responsibility). These victims are: Ahmed Rajib Haider, the science author Avijit Roy, Washiqur Rahman Babu, Ananta Bijoy Das, and Niladri Chatterjee (pen name Niloy Neel). Four of these murders have occurred since February this year. In other cases, individuals like Jafar Munshi and Anjali Devi have been killed for alleged or perceived acts of ‘defamation of religion’, such as refusing to enforce hijab on students. And since 2013, supporters of the Shahbag movement and the war crimes justice process (the accused being Islamist leaders) have also been brutally murdered by similar Islamist entities. The victims include: Ashraful Alam, Arif Raihan Deep, Nurul Islam Faruki, Jagat Jyoti Talukder, Jakaria Babu.

    The murderers and their ideological supporters are of course to be condemned and must be brought to justice.

    In addition, instead of helping to confront this outrageous injustice, political and state institutions have begun blaming the victims themselves and making matters worse.

    Following the murder of Niladri Chatterjee on 7 August, the Inspector General of Police engaged in victim-blaming, called for self-censorship, and threatened bloggers — the very people who are being murdered — with legal action under the current quasi-blasphemy law. Meanwhile, despite some counter-terrorism operations, the police have comprehensively failed to disrupt the networks that are ordering or carrying out these cowardly attacks. Even with two of the killers caught at the scene (after the murder of Washiqur Rahman) and claims of responsibility made openly on social media and via news outlets, still the attacks go on, and the extremists behind the killings remain at large. Instead of calling for vigilance and evidence against the murderers from the general public, police have instead encouraged the public to report alleged atheistic writings.

    Faced with fresh death threats against numerous named Shahbag activists and others branded “enemies of Islam” in the week after the most recent murder, a police spokesperson told those threatened merely to “lodge police complaints” if they thought they were being followed! This is a grossly inadequate, highly negligent response to what is evidently a most serious and potentially fatal threat.

    A number of Islamist groups, including Awami Olama League which is closely associated with your own Awami League party, have made new demands of death penalties for all atheist bloggers and activists, echoing the rhetoric of Islamist extremists in other parties. Obviously, this demand represents a gross violation of the rights of the non-religious to freedom of thought, and against freedom of expression generally and must be firmly and explicitly rejected.

    Furthermore, your Cabinet Committee for Law and Order, headed by Minister of Industries Amir Hossain Amu, on their 9 August 2015 meeting decided “to declare Atheist authors as criminals”, thereby making them subject to prosecution, and intelligence agencies have been asked to monitor blogs to find those atheist writers. Even under the current law, such a mass arrest of people who profess non-religious views in their online communications would represent a grave violation of the international human rights obligations to which Bangladesh is committed. The Home Minister in a separate speech was seen repeating the same warning message.

    These institutions and officials of the state through their current stances — demonising free expression, while appeasing murderous extremists — are destroying Bangladesh’s claim to be a democratic state that upholds the human rights of all citizens. To criminalize the expression of “anything that may hurt anyone’s religious sentiments or beliefs” (as the Inspector General of Police puts it) means in practice that fundamentalists and extremists can say and do anything they want, while anyone who stands for democracy, free expression, rationalism, justice, and human rights would be reduced to silence.

    This is a recipe for a theocratic state in thrall to the most extremist members of society. People must be able to discuss and debate religion and politics, beliefs and practices. If they cannot, then injustice, fear and violence will reign.

    To fail to confront and refute these oppressive and illiberal tendencies now, will mark the beginning of the end of Bangladesh as a free and democratic country.

    We implore you to:

    ensure the safety and security of those individuals whose lives are threatened by Islamist extremists, including the witnesses and family members instruct the police to find the killers, not to harass or blame the victims disassociate yourself publicly from those who call for death penalties against non-religious Bangladeshis, and ensure using your executive authority that individuals within your party membership maintain the same standard of respect for freedom of conscience and expression work decisively for legal reform to repeal Section 295A of the Penal Code and section 57 of the ICT Act of 2006, in order to bring the legal system of Bangladesh in line with the spirit and values of freedom of expression and ‘of conscience’ as enshrined in the Constitution of Bangladesh, and as per obligations under the international human rights instruments to which Bangladesh is party.

    [Full list of signatories follows below the Bangla version of this statement]

    বাংলাদেশের প্রধানমন্ত্রী এবং রাষ্ট্রপতির নিকট সন্মিলিত খোলা চিঠি

    মহামান্য রাষ্ট্রপতি আবদুল হামিদ ও মাননীয় প্রধানমন্ত্রী শেখ হাসিনা সমীপে,

    আমরা, বাংলাদেশের ও আন্তর্জাতিক ব্লগিং ও এক্টিভিস্ট সম্প্রদায়ের উদ্বিগ্ন সদস্য, মানবাধিকার সংগঠনের প্রতিনিধি, সমাজকর্মী ও মুক্তচিন্তার সমর্থকবৃন্দ, বাংলাদেশের মানবতাবাদী, নাস্তিক ও ধর্মনিরপেক্ষ নাগরিকদের উপর প্রাতিষ্ঠানিক আক্রমণের তীব্র প্রতিবাদ জানাচ্ছি।

    গত দুই বছরে পাঁচ জন ব্লগার, যারা বিভিন্নভাবে মানবতাবাদী, যুক্তিবাদী, নাস্তিক হিসেবে পরিচিত এবং বিজ্ঞান, মানবতাবাদ, মানবাধিকার ও ন্যায়বিচারের সপক্ষে অথবা ইসলামী চরমপন্থার বিরুদ্ধে লেখালেখিতে জড়িত ছিলেন, খুন হয়েছেন। মৌলবাদী জঙ্গি গোষ্ঠীর ঘাতকেরা (তাদের নিজেদের স্বীকৃতি অনুযায়ী) তাঁদের নৃশংসভাবে কুপিয়ে মেরেছে। নিহতরা হলেনঃ আহমেদ রাজীব হায়দার, বিজ্ঞান লেখক অভিজিত রায়, ওয়াশিকুর রহমান বাবু, অনন্ত বিজয় দাশ এবং নীলাদ্রি চ্যাটার্জি (ছদ্মনাম নিলয় নীল)। এর মাঝে চারটি খুনের ঘটনাই ঘটেছে চলতি বছরের ফেব্রুয়ারী থেকে আগস্টের মধ্যে। এর বাইরে জাফর মুন্সি বা অঞ্জলী দেবীর মত ব্যক্তিরা খুন হয়েছেন কথিত ‘ধর্মীয় অবমাননা’র অভিযোগে- যেমন শিক্ষার্থীদের হিজাব পরিধানে বাধ্য করতে অস্বীকার করা, ইত্যাদি। এছাড়াও ২০১৩ সাল থেকে, শাহবাগ আন্দোলন ও যুদ্ধাপরাধের বিচার প্রক্রিয়া (যার অভিযুক্তরা কথিত ইসলামী নেতৃবৃন্দ) এর সমর্থকরাও একই রকম ইসলামিক শক্তির হাতে নির্মমভাবে নিহত হয়েছেন। এদের মধ্যে আছেনঃ আশরাফুল আলম, আরিফ রায়হান দীপ, নুরুল ইসলাম ফারুকী, জগৎজ্যোতি তালুকদার, জাকারিয়া বাবু।

    হত্যাকারী এবং তাদের মতাদর্শিক সমর্থকদের অবশ্যই অভিযুক্ত করে বিচারের মুখোমুখি দাঁড় করাতে হবে।

    এই ভয়াবহ অপরাধ মোকাবেলা না করে রাজনৈতিক ও রাষ্ট্রীয় প্রতিষ্ঠানগুলো উল্টো অপরাধের শিকার ব্যক্তিদেরই দোষারোপ করা শুরু করেছে, যা পরিস্থিতিকে আরো খারাপ করে তুলেছে। বংলাদেশের গণতন্ত্র এতে আরো বিপন্ন হয়ে পড়েছে।

    গত ৭ আগস্ট নিলয় হত্যাকান্ডের পর, পুলিশের মহাপরিদর্শক আক্রান্তদের দোষারোপে লিপ্ত হয়েছেন, সীমা লঙ্ঘন না করার হুঁশিয়ারি দিয়েছেন এবং ব্লগাররা,- যারা আক্রান্ত ও খুন হচ্ছেন – তাদের বিরুদ্ধে বিদ্যমান ছদ্ম-ব্লাসফেমি আইনের আওতায় এনে আইনি ব্যবস্থা গ্রহণের হুমকি দিয়েছেন। এদিকে, কিছু সন্ত্রাস-বিরোধী অভিযান সত্ত্বেও, পুলিশ এই কাপুরুষোচিত হামলা বাস্তবায়নকারী বা আদেশদানকারী নেটওয়ার্কগুলোকে প্রতিহত করতে পুরোপুরি ব্যর্থ হয়েছে। এমনকি ওয়াশিকুর রহমানের হত্যাকান্ডের পর ঘটনাস্থল থেকে দু’জন খুনি ধৃত হলেও এবং সামাজিক মাধ্যম ও পত্রপত্রিকায় প্রকাশ্যে খুনের দায়স্বীকারের বিবৃতি প্রচারিত হলেও, হত্যাকান্ড ঘটেই চলেছে এবং খুনের পেছনের জঙ্গিরা বহাল তবিয়তে আরো হুমকি দিয়ে যাচ্ছে। জনসাধারণকে খুনিদের বিরুদ্ধে সতর্ক থাকা ও অপরাধের প্রমাণ দাখিলের আহবান না জানিয়ে পুলিশ বরং তাদেরকে কথিত নাস্তিক্যবাদী লেখার বিরুদ্ধে অভিযোগ করতে উৎসাহ দিচ্ছে।

    সাম্প্রতিক হত্যাকাণ্ডের পরে বেশ কয়েকজন পরিচিত শাহবাগ কর্মী ও ‘ইসলামের শত্রু’ তকমা লাগিয়ে দেয়া ব্যক্তিরা যখন নতুন করে হত্যা হুমকির মুখোমুখি হচ্ছিলেন, তখন পুলিশের একজন মুখপাত্র কেবল এই বলে পরামর্শ দেন যে, কেউ যদি আশংকা করে যে তাকে অনুসরণ করা হচ্ছে তবে সে যেন পুলিশের কাছে অভিযোগ দায়ের করে। এমন গুরুতর ও মারাত্মক হুমকির মুখে তা নিতান্তই অপর্যাপ্ত এবং অত্যন্ত উপেক্ষামূলক প্রতিক্রিয়া।

    আপনার দল বাংলাদেশ আওয়ামী লীগের সাথে ঘনিষ্ঠভাবে জড়িত আওয়ামী ওলামা লীগ সহ অপরাপর ইসলামী সংগঠনগুলো নাস্তিক ব্লগার ও আন্দোলনকর্মীদের মৃত্যুদণ্ডের বিধানসম্বলিত আইন প্রণয়নের দাবী নতুন করে জানিয়েছে, যা অন্যান্য ইসলামী জঙ্গি দলগুলোর বক্তব্যেরই প্রতিধ্বনি। স্পষ্টতঃ এমন দাবী নিধার্মিকদের চিন্তার স্বাধীনতা ও সাধারণ মতপ্রকাশের স্বাধীনতার অধিকারের সুস্পষ্ট লংঘন বিধায় অত্যন্ত দৃঢ়তার সাথে ও স্পষ্টভাবে প্রত্যাখ্যান করা আবশ্যক।

    উপরন্তু, আইন-শৃঙ্খলা সংক্রান্ত সংসদীয় কমিটির সভাপতি, আপনার মন্ত্রীসভার শিল্পমন্ত্রী আমির হোসেন আমু গত ৯ আগস্ট এক সভায় ‘নাস্তিক লেখকদের অপরাধী ঘোষণা করে তাদেরকে বিচারের মুখোমুখি করা হবে’ বলে সিদ্ধান্ত জানান। একই সভায় ব্লগগুলোর উপর নজরদারির মাধ্যমে ওইসব নাস্তিক ব্লগারদের খুঁজে বের করতে গোয়েন্দা সংস্থাগুলোকে নির্দেশ দেয়া হয়েছে । অথচ বর্তমান আইন অনুযায়ী অনলাইন যোগাযোগে নিধর্মী দৃষ্টিভঙ্গি ধারণকারী মানুষজনের এমন গণগ্রেফতার বাংলাদেশ কর্তৃক প্রতিশ্রুত আন্তর্জাতিক মানবাধিকারের বাধ্যবাধকতারও চরম লংঘন। স্বরাষ্ট্রমন্ত্রী একটি পৃথক বার্তায় একইরকম সতর্কবার্তার প্রতিধ্বনি ঘটান।

    খুনি জঙ্গিদের রোষ প্রশমিত করার ভ্রান্তনীতিতে ভেসে গিয়ে, রাষ্ট্রীয় প্রতিষ্ঠান ও কর্তাব্যক্তিরা মুক্তমত প্রকাশকে ক্ষতিকর ও হুমকি হিসেবে চিহ্নিত করছেন। এতে সকল নাগরিকের মানবাধিকার সমুন্নত রাখা সম্ভব হচ্ছে না এবং বাংলাদেশ নিজেকে গণতান্ত্রিক রাষ্ট্র হিসেবে দাবি করার অধিকার হারাচ্ছে।

    ‘যেকোন নাগরিকের ধর্মীয় অনুভূতি বা বিশ্বাসে আঘাত লাগার মত যেকোন কিছু’কে অপরাধ হিসেবে (পুলিশের আইজির ভাষ্যমতে) দেখার বাস্তব অর্থ হল- মৌলবাদী ও জঙ্গিরা যেকোন কিছু বলতে ও করতে পারবে। অপরদিকে গণতন্ত্র, মুক্তমত, যুক্তিবাদ, ন্যায়বিচার ও মানবাধিকারের ঝাণ্ডাধারী যে কোন ব্যক্তির কন্ঠরোধ করা হবে।

    এসব কণ্ঠরোধী কর্মকাণ্ড সমাজের সবচেয়ে উগ্র জঙ্গি গোষ্ঠীর আজ্ঞাবহ একটি ধর্মভিত্তিক রাষ্ট্র বানানোর পাঁয়তারা। সকল নাগরিকের অবশ্যই ধর্ম ও রাজনীতি, বিশ্বাস ও লোকাচার নিয়ে আলোচনা ও বিতর্ক করার সুযোগ থাকতে হবে। এমন সুযোগ না থাকার অর্থ হল অবিচার, আতঙ্ক আর নৃশংসতার জয় ঘোষণা করা।

    এমন জবরদস্তিমূলক ও সংকীর্ণ প্রবণতা দ্রুত মোকাবেলা ও খণ্ডনের ব্যর্থতা মুক্ত ও গণতান্ত্রিক দেশ হিসেবে বাংলাদেশের ভাবমূর্তি ধ্বংসের সূচনা ঘটাবে ।

    তাই আপনাদের কাছে আমাদের সনির্বন্ধ অনুরোধঃ

    ১। ইসলামী জঙ্গিদের কারণে যেসকল ব্যক্তির জীবন আজ হুমকির মুখে- তাদের, তাদের পরিবারের সদস্যবৃন্দের এবং সাক্ষীদের নিরাপত্তা ও সুরক্ষা নিশ্চিত করুন।

    ২। আক্রান্তদেরই দোষারোপ বা হয়রানির বদলে পুলিশকে নির্দেশ দিন খুনিদের খুঁজে বের করার।

    ৩। নাস্তিক ব্লগারদেরদের বিরুদ্ধে যারা মৃত্যু পরোয়ানার দাবী তোলে, তাদের কাছ থেকে নিজেদের পৃথক করার প্রকাশ্য ঘোষণা দিন এবং চিন্তা, বিবেক ও মত প্রকাশের স্বাধীনতার প্রশ্নে আপনার দলের সকল সদস্য যাতে সমমর্যাদাসম্পন্ন মূল্যবোধ লালন করেন, আপনার কার্যকরী নেতৃত্বের প্রয়োগে তা নিশ্চিত করুন।

    ৪। গণপ্রজাতন্ত্রী বাংলাদেশের সংবিধানে সন্নিবেশিত মত প্রকাশের স্বাধীনতা এবং চিন্তা ও বিবেকের স্বাধীনতার আকাঙ্ক্ষা ও মূল্যবোধের সাথে সংগতিপূর্ণ আইনি ব্যবস্থা প্রণয়নের উদ্দেশ্যে এবং আন্তর্জাতিক মানবাধিকার দলিলের বাধ্যবাধকতা অনুযায়ী বাংলাদেশ দণ্ডবিধির ২৯৫(ক) ধারা ও তথ্যপ্রযুক্তি আইন ২০০৬ এর ৫৭ ধারা প্রয়োজনীয় আইনি সংশোধনীর মাধ্যমে বাতিল করুন।

    Signatories

    The signatories include threatened Bangladeshi bloggers and activists, representatives of organisations focused on human rights including freedom of expression or freedom of belief, religious and secular groups, and also individual writers, journalists, artists, academics and other professionals with Bengali connection or in solidarity.

    Abdul Muttalib — Retired Principal, Bangladesh
    Abir Shomudro — Student, Shahid Abdur Rab Serniabat Textile Engineering College, Barisal
    Abul Hasnat — Humanist; London, UK
    Adam Lagerqvist — Humanisterna, Sweden
    Adam Reakes — Producer and host, The Herd Mentality Podcast
    Aditi Kabir — Interpreter; Independent Translator
    Administrators of the Bangla Community Blog Alliance – BCBA
    Afrina Akhter Jesmin — Activist; Program Secretary, Bangladesh Short Film Forum
    Ahmedur Rashid Tutul — Publisher, Shuddhoshor
    Ajanta Deb Roy — Gonojahoron Moncho, UK
    Ajit Kumar Ray — Professor, North bengal University, West Bengal, India
    Ajoy Roy — Author; Academic; Human rights campaigner; Professor of Physics, retired, Dhaka University; editor, Muktanwesa; advisor, Mukto-Mona
    Alain Davis — Secularist Campaigner and Migrants Rights Activist, UK
    Alex Zakreski — Member, Canadian Journalists for Free Expression – CJFE
    Alice Carr — President, Progressive Atheists Inc.
    Alice Klein — President, Canadian Journalists for Free Expression, CJFE
    Amanor B. Apenkro — President, Humanist Association of Ghana
    AmarBlog, amarblog.com
    Anders Stedtlund — Software Designer
    Andrew Copson — Chief Executive, British Humanist Association; President, International Humanist and Ethical Union
    Andrew Hobson — Blogger, Cyber Atheist
    Ani Zonneveld — Founder, President, Muslims for Progressive Values
    Anne-France Ketelaer — Vice-President, International Humanist and Ethical Union
    Ansar Ahmed Ullah — Secular Activist & Campaigner, UK
    Anu Muhammad — Chief editor, Sarbojonkotha; Member secretary, National Committee to Protect Oil, Gas and Mineral Resources, Power and Port; Professor, Jahangirnagar University
    Anupam Shaikat Shanto — Sarbojokotha Editor; General Secretary, Bangladesh Short Film Forum
    April Jones — Freethinker, USA
    Argentine Humanist Association, Deodoro Roca
    Arifur Rahman — Blogger, arif.eu; Activist
    Arik Platzek — Editor, diesseits (The Humanist Magazine) Berlin, Germany
    Arman Rashid — Columnist; Member, International Crimes Strategy Forum-ICSF
    Arne Mobrand — Humanist Stockholm
    Arpita Bhowmik — Activist; Atheist and Humanist; Pharmaceutical Microbiologist, Japan
    Ashfaque Anup — Blogger; Member, International Crimes Strategy Forum
    Ashim Chakraborty — Journalist, Blogger
    Ashis Saha — PhD Researcher in Johns Hopkins University
    Ashley Davidson — Writer, Flagstaff, Arizona, USA
    Ashoke Mukhopadhyay — General Secretary, Centre for Studies in Science and Society, Kolkata, India
    Ashraful Alam — member of Progressive Atheists Inc, Melbourne, Australia
    Ashraful Kabir — Research Coordinator
    Asif Islam Khan — Activist; Academic, University of California, Berkeley
    Asma Sultana — Visual Artist, Writer
    Atheist Alliance International
    Atheist Republic — atheistrepublic.com
    Austin Dacey — Philosopher; Human rights activist
    Ayella Collins — Humanist Empowerment of Livelihoods in Uganda
    Baidik Bhattacharya — Academic, Delhi University
    Barun P Mondol — IT professional
    Benjamin Ismaïl — Head of Asia-Pacific Desk, Reporters Without Borders
    Bo Borg — Humanisterna Sweden
    Bob Churchill — Director of Communications, International Humanist and Ethical Union
    Brendan de Caires — Programs & Communications Coordinator, PEN Canada
    Brian D. Engler — Author and Humanist, Virginia
    Carolina Josefsson — Local chairman, Swedish Humanist Association
    Chitralekha Saha — Consulate of France in Calcutta
    Christophe Deloire — Secretary-General, Reporters Without Borders
    Crispy Sea — Blogger; Author
    Cristina Iacob — Romanian Humanist Association
    David Curry — Prophetcast
    David Rand — President, Libres penseurs athées – Atheist Freethinkers, Canada
    Deana M Naraparaju — Blogger; Online Activist
    Debdas Anamoul — Blogger
    Dilshana Parul — Activist, Save the Children
    Dinky Daruvala — Associate professor , Karlstad University, Sweden
    Dipen Bhattacharya — Physicist, Riverside College District, California, USA
    Donna Van Toen — Author; East Hamilton Spiritual Church
    Douglas Bernard Wallis — Atheist, Humanist – Isle of Man, Great Britain
    Dr Jim Walsh — CEO, Conway Hall Ethical Society
    Dr Mahmudul Sumon — Associate Professor, Jahangirnagar University, Savar Dhaka Bangladesh
    Dr Meredith Doig — President, Rationalist Society of Australia
    Ekush Tapader — News Editor, Sylhettoday24.com
    Emily Newman — Communications Coordinator, American Ethical Union
    Eric Eriksson — Humanist, Sweden
    Erwin Kress — Humanistischer Verband Deutschlands, HVD
    Erwin Kress — Vice-president, Humanist Association of Germany
    Esa Ylikoski — General Secretary, Union of Freethinkers of Finland
    Esha Karim — Swedish Institute Scholar
    Fahmidul Haq — Writer; Blogger; Academic, Factulty at Dhaka University
    Farid Ahmed — Author and Editor of Mukto-mona
    Farzana Kabir Khan — Blogger; Activist
    Felipe Galicia — Biologist
    Ferdaush Ahmed — Activist; Founder, Organisation for War Heroines, London
    Fran Kurth — Executive Director, Capital District Humanist Society, New York, USA
    Fredrik Idevall, — President Humanisterna Orebro, Sweden
    Garga Chatterjee — Columnist and Cognitive Scientist
    George Broadhead — Pink Triangle Trust
    Gitiara Nasreen — University of Dhaka
    Göran Björk — Humanisterna, Sweden
    Gordon MacRae — Chief Executive, Humanist Society Scotland
    Greg Epstein — Humanist Chaplain, Harvard University
    Gulalai Ismail — Chairperson, Aware Girls, Pakistan
    Gustaf Andersson — Humanist, Sweden
    Hana Shams Ahmed — Columnist, Activist
    Hans Kleine — Local chairman, Swedish Humanist Association
    Hasan Mahmud — Advisory Board Member, World Muslim Congress; General Secretary, Muslims Facing Tomorrow, Canada
    Hemant Mehta — Editor, Friendly Atheist
    Heriberto ‘’Pito’’ Rosario — Riverdale-Yonkers Society for Ethical Culture
    Hidde Gaastra — Atheist/Secular Activist, Master in Political Science
    Hironmoy Golder — Student, ASA University
    Hritohri Islam — Humanist; Activist; Student
    Humanist Society of New Zealand
    Humanist Union of Greece
    Ian Bushfield — Executive Director British Columbia Humanist Association
    Imad Iddine Habib — Atheist and Secularist Activist; Founder, Council of Ex-Muslims of Morocco
    Imran H Sarkar — Spokesperson, Gonojagoron Moncho
    Imtiaz Mahmood — Advocate, Supreme Court of Bangladesh
    International Crimes Strategy Forum
    Iqbal Nouyed — West Virginia University
    Irtishad Ahmad — Professor, Florida International University
    Jacques Rousseau — Chair: Free Society Institute, South Africa
    James Croft — Leader in Training, Ethical Society of St. Louis
    Jane Donnelly — Human Rights Officer, Atheist Ireland
    Jaseeb Ara Siddiqui — Creative writer; Painter
    Jawshan Ara — Ph.D. Researcher in Neuroscience, University of Maryland; writer, Mukto-mona
    Jay Grime — Atheist Blogger
    Jesmin Chowdhury — Teacher and Writer
    Jillian Hsieh — Humanist, Florida
    Jin-oh Choi — President, Launceston Skeptics Inc.
    Joakim Ströberg — local chairman, Swedish Humanist Association
    Joann Robertson — President, British Columbia Humanist Association
    Jodie Ginsberg — CEO, Index on Censorship
    John Hamill — Secretary, Atheist Alliance International and Atheist Ireland
    Jonas Nordström — Boardmember, Swedish Humanist Organisation
    Josh Kutchinsky — Membership Organiser, Central London Humanists
    Julia Julstrom-Agoyo — Secretary, Americas Working Group, IHEYO; Liaison to FES, Ethical Humanist Society of Greater Chicago
    Julie Begum — Chair, Swadhinata Trust, UK
    Juyel Raj — Journalist, Blogger
    Kaberi Gayen — Professor, Dept of Mass Communication and Journalism, University of Dhaka
    Kajalie Shehreen Islam — Assistant Professor, University of Dhaka/Doctoral Candidate, SOAS, London
    Kaji Tamanna Keya — Activist; Student, Brandeis University, USA
    Kallol Mahalanabis — Mumbai,India
    Kallol Mustafa — Activist; Executive editor, Sarbojonkotha; Member, National Committee to Protect Oil, Gas and Mineral Resources, Power and Port; Professor
    Kamrul Hasan Tushar — Gonojagoron Moncho, UK
    Kamrus Salam Shangshad — Former Vice President, Bangladesh Students’ Union
    Kaveh Moussavi — Academic, University of Oxford
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     Reply #8 - August 28, 2015, 05:16 PM

    Yeezevee, you’re justified in your anger and I’m willing to overlook your adjectival animal menagerie. And there is a passing yet crude irony between people like myself, paying thousands of pounds, risking limb and all to come to Britain and at the same time others spending everything they have to flee Britain to far-flung, often corrupt, oppressive, much poorer countries. Why on earth is this? I honestly and sincerely want to understand because this is far removed from my experiential grip; and, I daresay this opposite direction Islamic traffic is to (rather than from) the house of bondage — to misquote Emma Lazarus. Why on earth is this practical contempt for freedom and the rule of law? The latest estimate I've read of the number of Brits having already joined ISIS was 1600, this is discounting the failed ones, who were caught attempting to flee the country with their families and possibly mucus-moustached toddlers. Fleeing with lock, stock and barrel. This cannot simply be that these Britons are happy in cruel misery and were miserable where the possibilities of liberal happiness expanded. I really don't understand because London was metonymically used in Dr Samuel Johnson’s declaration that a man tired of it was indeed tired of life.
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     Reply #9 - August 28, 2015, 05:58 PM

    I was reading an interview with a man from Cairo. He talked about a friend of his who went to join the islamic state. Basically, this is what they've been taught their entire lives is right and what allah wants, so went to join the group who was putting it in practise. I have to assume the Brits leaving for the islamic state also share this view.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #10 - August 28, 2015, 05:59 PM

    That's totally it! They are just doing what everyone has been saying they wanted to do since the 70s. Earlier.
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     Reply #11 - August 28, 2015, 06:03 PM

    I'm not sure if you experience this in America, what with it being such a religious country, but over here people don't get it. They honestly cannot grasp that they really do believe in their religion, not in some fluffy way but what the texts actually say. It just doesn't compute.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #12 - August 28, 2015, 09:27 PM

    Quod, I had been a devout Muslim most of my life and would flatter myself for being imaginative enough to scripturally locate where Jihadi Johns and the rest of the anticlockwise muhajiroun might be coming from, if not where they’re off to. When I was Muslim, (although I attended as a teenager at least a month’s worth of lectures delivered by Ibn Baz, and when he died, I went on to attend those of the current Saudi mufti’s — who ended up knowing me personally — before heading to Unayzah to attend those of Ibn Uthaymeen’s) I had always been tolerant when it came to which part of worship others focused on. More importantly, I set incredible store by indefinitely suspending judgment on other Muslims. This was so long as they kept to the bare minimum of demonstrable Islam — the five pillars. Thus, I had never thought that Jihad was AS OR MORE important than the five pillars, whose supreme status Jihad certainly doesn’t share.

    You, in other words, and your parents and grannies could die pious Muslims and theoretically go to jannah without having ever fired a bullet fi-sabeelillah, murdered happy murtadeen. Scripturally speaking, the only type of obligatory Jihad around which the sunny scholarly majority consensus congeals is that of self-defence — when your geographical country gets attacked by an outsider enemy. Defensive Jihad, not offensive. Any other type of Jihad’s islamic obligation is inescapably qualified and conditional. Therefore, the jurisprudential status of what Islamist terrorists are doing is at very least dubious, questionable and suspicious. The fifth of the so-called ‘Five Grand Figh Principles’ is that “certainty is not removed by doubt” (Yes, yes I appreciate its logic, its devastating rapier wit but bear with me a moment), thus al-wara is abstention from joining the fight.

    This is nothing new or very original because even during the fight/fitnah between the sahaba, a lot of sahaba abstained from it because they were doubtful of the status of what was going on. Abu Huraira, the most prolific hadith narrator, was one famous abstainer. Abdullah ibn Umar was another abstainer. Then the question is, why wouldn’t these Brits stick to the certainty of the five pillars and what Prophet Moe said to have left the Ummah on, almahajja albayda i.e. the clear and unambiguous?

    This is partially what I cannot understand wa aqim assalat.
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     Reply #13 - August 28, 2015, 09:40 PM

    Forgive me if this is a naive question (and the resulting thread derail), but it is born out of my highly superficial understanding of Saudi history.

    Prior to their defeat by Abd al-Aziz ibn Saud, what motivated the Saudi Ikhwan's relentless pursuit of jihad? It's the most obvious parallel that comes to mind, as the failure of ibn Saud to keep in step, as it were, is what I was taught lay behind the eventual military confrontation..
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     Reply #14 - August 28, 2015, 11:47 PM

    what motivated the Saudi Ikhwan's relentless pursuit of jihad?

     The simplest usually offered ideological answer to this pertinent and interesting question is, extreme puritanical romanticism of a desert people.

    This is what I was taught and thus it's conjectural i.e. me relying on the doubtful little the Saudi Government allows to be known about the Ikhwans prior to 1319 Hijiri (before 1900). The Saudi Government's version of how the kingdom started 'unification' was in large due to the heroism of Abdulaziz ibn Saud; the returning rightful ruler and his 15 men with whom he came from Kuwait. (This is not to be confused with Emirate of Diriyah 1744-1818, during which Ibn Abdel Wahhab's star had risen). Focus thereafter is largely on how intending to spread Islamically the purest and most authentic aqidah had fostered successful unification of the yet to be kingdom. Abdulaziz Ibn Saud was after ruling the bedouin people and there was nothing more useful than reconnecting with Ibn Abdel Wahhab's tradition to which Ikhwans subscribed fully and completely and this, in turn, gave him religiously sunctioned legitimacy. Even today, governmentally ruling the people in matters of Islam, that is to say, the Ministry of Religious Affairs, is headed by relatives of Wahhab and people who originate from or around Al-Qassim. This is relevant. Also a small uncategorisable armed unit known as Almujahidoon that was mainly 'in service' at night time and was tasked with protecting sensitive areas such as water purification stations etc -- I say was in service because I left Saudi in 2007 -- this unit was said to be the remnant of the tradition of the Ikhwans who were also handsomely given from the spoils of unification war (there had been many spoils: King Abdulaziz was reported to have married to no less than 300 women from different tribes in order to cement alliance with their tribes. Indeed, he was reported to be suffering from back as well as both knees pain before his death, that he wanted the wheelchair from the US President FDR --- a gift that was to help close the petrol exploration deal with the US and finish in creating Aramco, California-Arabian Standard Oil Co, currently the single most valued company in the entire world, estimated to be worth around 3.5 US trillion. All that aching and pain was due to shagging too much. He would marry for one night, instantly divorcing his oldest wives of the current four, yup, and was running on full islamic marital capacity just like that and there was always an Imam around to validate these pay-as-you-go marriages.) Almujahidoon couldn't be demobilised and disbanded after all this, in other words. If so then, they were being on the government's payroll without having any functional purpose, just like a lot of the toadying sycophants employed in the Royal Diwan, in particular -- and I kid you not -- the Office of Bedouin Affairs.

    Yet sociologically, it's not far-fetched to think they, the Ikhwan, had grown tired of perpetual tribal wars which were in all probability their only steady source of income. Futuhat mubarakat! They were likely to have grown tired of banditry in the same way al-Aws and al-Khazraj had fought endless wars before Prophet Moe reconciled between them. These fanatic fighters were originally said to hail from or around Buraydah and Al-Qassim Region. I personally visited the masjid of the very well known Shaykh Abdul- Kareem Al-Khudayr a.k.a The Zahid of Qassim. He was, in short, a Luddite; shunning modern technology and believing things like electricity were forbidden magic and forbade people from entering his masjid with pictures on their person i.e. their money to be kept out!!! This austere guy, however, comes from Ikhwan tradition and says so whenever it was possible as a way to share his opposition to the Saudi deviation from "the truest form of Islam". Thus, even within this marriage of Deen and Dunya, everything wasn't okay possibly because of the Ikhwan's idealistic impracticality. The Saudi Government needs the religious guys to anesthetise the populace against any form of rebellion, because rebelling would be morally wrong against the Allah fearing Imams, and in turn, the government gives them a lot of money and social promotion from which they can teach people the purest Islam -- I think this is broadly called symbiosis. Another incredibly and impossibly knowledgeable Qassimi and traditionally Ikwani fanatic is the muhadith, Sulaiman Nasir Al-Alwan -- presently His Majesty's guest in prison. Lastly, Juhayman al-Otaybi -- the guy who embarrassed the Saudi Government by militarily taking over the Grand Mosque in Mecca for two weeks, pushing the government to seek help from the French infidels as well as the too happy to help Pakistani army -- was also Ikwan and had sought a return to a purer version of Islam accusing, at that time, religious leaders of selling out to Dunya and 'taking the king's shilling'. So think of them, the Ikhwan, if you will, as The Gurkhas in completely glorifying gallantry and having the motto "better die than be a coward". Only the Ikhwan had borrowed a lot of heat, if not light, from absolutist faith in Allah.

    The health warning necessary here, of course, is that all of the above is hearsay and historical transmission through orality: so please don't quote me.
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     Reply #15 - August 28, 2015, 11:53 PM

    Another thing about another fanatic desert people glorifying gallantry and death over life because of beleiving Allah is on their side are my very Chadian people, who are now doing exactly the same in spearheading the fight against Boko Haram in Africa:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAx90cho8c4
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    * Note also my people's causal disregard to the non-Muslims (17:20). It took me to read The Moral Basis of a Backward Society by Edward Banfield to really understand how extreme loyalty to a smaller particularistic entity within any society is very dangerous to healthy, equal citizenship. Loyalty completely and only given to the clan, the tribe, the family ties in southern Italy around 1950s has given rise to what we have come to know as The Mafia.  
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     Reply #16 - August 29, 2015, 12:03 AM

    Quote
    year..................population (in millions)
    1400..........     350–400
    1500..........      425–500   
    1600..........      500–580
    1700..........   .......600–680
    1800..... ..........890–980
    1900...............1,560–1,710
    2000................6,060–6,150
    2015................72000


    So that  was the population of the world since 1400 years .. Now question is if 15 dedicated Muslim men could over run Saudi Arabia ruler in 18th century., What was the population of Saudi Arabia in the year 635  and how many dedicated men are needed to make Islamic rule at that time??
             

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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     Reply #17 - August 29, 2015, 03:01 AM

    It must be the brandy I have been slowly drinking because I meant to link my speculation above to something as primitive as seeking Islamic immortality through unwavering death. Blood. No, not that. Blood as in racism. You couldn't possibly have any more inaccurate, incomplete appreciation of Islam as a religion if you got taken in by its sloganism (الشعاراتية) and unrealisable ideals. In so-called ' The Farewell sermon', Prophet Moe informed Muslims, rather than demanding from them, complete racial equality in Allah's eye, that the superiority of anyone was now through their fullest, fearful submission to Allah. Fair enough you'd say. Yet the only operational issue with such a grand declaration is that it says nothing about how we would practically go about ascertaining this new form of human nobility and superiority. Well, not exactly because Islam does preach the specialness of the Arab and their primacy of kind over the rest of the world's races. Let me quote you something I had typed a few weeks ago:    

    More importantly, it is to Ibn Taymiyyah that Salafi, purist Wahhabism can be traced. It is purist in that it doesn't brook variation in aqidah, and the unconscionable emphasis is placed on the unitarian nature of our spiritual relationship to Allah. There are, in other words, no middle men. No tawassul via Auliya Allah, no intercession in the here and now.

    I guess non-elitism (لا للإصطفائية والنخبوية) is what I'm getting at here in relation to stratified Sufism. That the specificity of Abas's experience [his My Ordeal with The Quran], him being in an inner circle of some exclusive wisdom, is problematic in approach if the reason for which you have set upon his book wasn't to debunk the recurring charge against Ex Muslims that they had misunderstood the 'True Deen'. Another infamous supposedly inner, magic circle Saudi Ex Muslim was Abdullah al-Qasemi (1907-1996). I read his book (العرب ظاهرة صوتية) as well as leafing through other books of his, if memory serves. But again, I happened on the undisciplined approach that assumes too much in common between the book and its reader as well as the undiffused stench of Arab nationalism (which seems to be the only secular counter-civilisational ideology in the Arab world -- in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Yemen etc -- since 1927 till Islamic resurgence or awakening in early 1970s, after Pan-Arabists lost many ideological and military battles). Nationalistic sentiments in relation to the Arab is justified in Hadith (إن الله اصطفى كنانة من ولد اسماعيل، واصطفى من كنانة قريشا الخ الخ الخ -- الحديث في صحيح مسلم عن واثلة بن الأسقع). Reflect on the following contemporary political entities: The Kingdom of Morocco, The Kingdom of Jordan, The ISIS Caliph AbuBakr Al-Baghdadi Al Qurashi. What do they all have in common? It is that they all claim to be from the tribe of the Prophet Moe and use it to legitimise their rule over the people. Why shouldn't they when Prophet Moe had said in authenticated hadith that ruling/caliphate was in his tribe (الخلافة في قريش). It is for this simple blood, the blueness of Qureshi blood that the ascendancy of one man was pushing an open door: on his own, without money or army, this man was able to islamically establish his right to rule an Umayyad caliphate in European Andalusia after the Abbasids. His name is Abdul-Rahman al-Dakhil. Do you guys know what happened precisely after the Abbasids' victory over the Umayyad? They decimated all the possible male blood rivals, in a manner not dissimilar to the Game of Thrones. I kid you not. Al-Dakhil was thus running for his live through two continents (I'm tempted to draw a parallel here with today's asylum seekers via the Maghreb but I'm too drunk right now). Blood rule or monarchical rule, as you can see, is very Islamic in its political ideation -- to my knowledge, there has never been a godless kingdom anywhere in human societal organisation. And it is to the simplicity of blood you can trace back all this Sunni-Shiite sectarian nonsense of today.     

    Going back Abas's book, I as non-Arab find blood elitism of any kind inimical to dispassionate inquiry into the faith away from the particularity of its application within any recent Arab context. Arabs are estimated to be around 200 million out of the 1.6 billion Muslim people in our world. So, common culture is what loosely binds the whole but certainly not a common language. Focus thus should be on this denominator when translating the book.
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     Reply #18 - August 29, 2015, 03:04 AM

    I should now read Go the Fuck to Sleep by Adam Mansbach.
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     Reply #19 - August 29, 2015, 04:19 AM

    Whabbist, you were on fire tonight.  Afro
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     Reply #20 - August 29, 2015, 06:01 AM

    Reminds me of an anecdote about my idol Max Weber.  When a colleague was asked to calm him down while he was giving a speech, lest the police be called ... "Can you put out a volcano with a glass of water?"
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     Reply #21 - August 29, 2015, 01:44 PM


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    two men, Kausar Hossain Khan, 29, and Kamal Hossain Sardar, 29, were arrested late Thursday in the killing of Niladri Chottopadhay Niloy, who was hacked to death on August 7 in Dhaka,

      

    well look at the smile and arrogance of on the faces of  heroes .....  HEROES OF ISLAM ..  THE SAVIOURS OF ISLAM IN 21st CENTURY...

    fools know very little about origins of Islam.. they create cartoon characters in the name  of religions and kill people in 21st century..

    rest of the news you can read here  at http://www.dawn.com/news/1203622/more-arrests-in-bloggers-killings-in-bangladesh

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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     Reply #22 - August 29, 2015, 02:10 PM

    Yeezevee, you’re justified in your anger and I’m willing to overlook your adjectival animal menagerie. ..........

    what.....?? Whabbist.....

    I am angry?  angry about what?? what do I get if I get angry? ..Nahh.. I don't care.. I just don't care..
    .......... That the specificity of Abas's experience [his My Ordeal with The Quran], him being in an inner circle of some exclusive wisdom, is problematic in approach if the reason for which you have set upon his book wasn't to debunk the recurring charge against Ex Muslims that they had misunderstood the 'True Deen'. Another infamous supposedly inner, magic circle Saudi Ex Muslim was Abdullah al-Qasemi (1907-1996).

    .......well as the undiffused stench of Arab nationalism (which seems to be the only secular counter-civilisational ideology in the Arab world -- in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Yemen etc -

    ......The Kingdom of Morocco, The Kingdom of Jordan, The ISIS Caliph AbuBakr Al-Baghdadi Al Qurashi. What do they all have in common? It is that they all claim to be from the tribe of the Prophet Moe and use it to legitimise their rule over the people.

    Why shouldn't they when Prophet Moe had said in authenticated hadith that ruling/caliphate was in his tribe (الخلافة في قريش). It is for this simple blood, the blueness of Qureshi blood that the ascendancy of one man was pushing an open door: 

    Going back Abas's book, I as non-Arab find blood elitism of any kind inimical to dispassionate inquiry into the faith away from the particularity of its application within any recent Arab context. Arabs are estimated to be around 200 million out of the 1.6 billion Muslim people in our world...........

    I am not sure what is up with Whabbist.. but he is throwing out so many revelations in one post..

    what happened Whabbist..?? are you trying to become prophet?? well why not??  let me watch these tube first before I hack Whabbist post

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdQwalCPNAs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJdT6QcSbQ0

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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     Reply #23 - August 29, 2015, 11:52 PM

    Whabbist, thank you; I was somewhat familiar with the lore surrounding ibn Saud's visit to the USS Quincy, although - speaking of blood - the one detail that's always stuck in my mind has been the mention of his blood-soaked underwear, left to dry. Piles sounds like a terrible affliction, but I digress.

    So, this is what I've understood; you believe that a fixation on having the authoritative aqidah has evolved into a cultural fixture with a reasonably sound regional basis, with the Ikhwani tendencies to Jihad being, if anything, an after-image of a long history of tribal warfare (and therefore, the parallel I've drawn isn't really a parallel). Is this a fair assessment?
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     Reply #24 - August 30, 2015, 01:59 AM

    Whabbist, thank you; I was somewhat familiar with the lore surrounding ibn Saud's visit to the USS Quincy, although - speaking of blood - the one detail that's always stuck in my mind has been the mention of his blood-soaked underwear, left to dry. Piles sounds like a terrible affliction, but I digress.

    So, this is what I've understood; you believe that a fixation on having the authoritative aqidah has evolved into a cultural fixture with a reasonably sound regional basis, with the Ikhwani tendencies to Jihad being, if anything, an after-image of a long history of tribal warfare (and therefore, the parallel I've drawn isn't really a parallel). Is this a fair assessment?

     Yes, that seems fair to me. And let me expand a little bit more on this in relation to the Arab, risking in the process a little bit of truthful, if stereotypical generalisation.

    Anyone who has a basic understanding of human character can see that the transformative effect of Islam on the Arab during and after the life of Prophet Moe is at least grossly exaggerated. Even the hadith in Bukhari and Muslim (The best of you in Jahiliyyah are the best of you in Islam, as long as they have understanding) seems to support this, if you take as an example the trait of physical courage, gallantry. The Arab of Jahiliyyah, in other words, were the same post Jahiliyyah, with the negligible exception of having the fewest number of gods to fear and obey. This too is of explanatory power when viewed in light of Islam purportedly having come to perfect what was already there in human behaviour, thereby positioning itself on a character continuum akin to that of the other continuum it claims to update and replace (i.e. Judeo-Christianity).

    They were thrill-seeking raiders and their poetry — which is the repository of Arab culture even today — is strewn with tribal armed conflicts where a tribe gets trounced and made slaves from those remained alive including women and children (شعر الفخر). Populated cities, then, was not a big thing in the desert part of Arabia, which is most of it without counting the Empty Quarter in. Yet populated cities, like Mecca, had imposed taxes on other tribes and anyone who happened to be passing through on pain of war and possible death. I'm sure you've heard of how impoverished women would circumambulate the Kaba in the nude, covering their vaginas and buttocks with their bare hands, because they couldn't afford to buy Qurayshi clothes in which to worship and without which they were not allowed to worship.

    During the time of Prophet Moe, there was no Kharaj or an agricultural tax on Muslims, but it was during the reign of the Second Caliph, Umar Ibn Al khattab, that was invented and imposed. I don't think this was a coincidence because during his reign, expansionist Islam spread really far, thanks in no small parts to professional mujahideen: consider how even meek Ansar had had a grudge against Moe when they didn't get a cut in the spoils of Hunayn. Take also the example of the wars of the murtadeen when Moe died; it was a money motivated Jihad. Lastly, when it comes to offensive Jihad, it is also characteristic of "The Commander of The Believers" to alternate between going on Hajj one year and doing Jihad the other --- this for me more than anything else makes the case for the spread of Islam so fast and in great numbers via the fear inducing sword.

    I, thus, tend to believe Islam only harnessed the destructive capacity of the on land pirates. I have not very long ago challenged puritanical zealots to provide me with anything in the entirety of Islamic reasoning and teaching which says indefinite peace with Islam's ideological adversaries were permissible, much less encouraged. And indulge me keeping this idea (of desert people's self-actualisation through armed robbery and nightly marauding) in mind when you read up on the causes of the first gazwa in Islam -- the Battle of Badr -- and see how well you should fare in your endeavour. Even ISIS, the contemporary ideological twin and reincarnate, seems to thrive on expansionism and land grabbing which, it could be argued, throughout the Islamic history has met a psychological need of these localisable people (incidentally, I think the ongoing war waged by Saudi against Yemen is motivated by checking the expansionist Shiite Iran's foothold in the Arabian peninsula -- the expansionist bit is a classic case for the pot calling the kettle black).
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     Reply #25 - August 30, 2015, 03:30 AM

    how many dedicated men are needed to make Islamic rule at that time??      

     The Quran does not necessarily encourage believers to assign strength and might to how many they are in number. Indeed, it seems that the sahaba had been punished in the Battle of Hunayn for exactly doing that. Of course, Allah having made his disapproving point clear, sent in more heavenly yet invisible soldiers to redress the imbalance in favour of the believers. You can check this out, it's all laid bare in Surat At-Tawbah [9:24-25]. Another thematically connected ayat is in Surat Al-Baqarah, where the case is made for the few defeating the many; [2:249].

    The few, in actuality, are very very many because of the accompaniment of Allah's blessed permission. These vanity inducing verses allow a window, for example, into why Islamist terrorists, including Bin Laden, refer to the 9/11 terrorist attacks as The Raid/Gazwa of The Nineteen. It seems thus that shahada seeking by means of suicide bombing when joining ISIS is lacking in rigour, when all along it was victory that was supposed to be espoused to. But a more interesting point is, if one really appreciates the concept of Tawakkul, as mentioned in Surat Al-Anfal [8:49], then it wouldn’t be surprising that the ragtag army of losers in Iraq and Syria is trying to provoke the matchless might of the US military* into an open war with it. And provoking the world at large too. This is crazy, I know, but then, this is faith for you.

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    * On the vanity bit, it seems laughable to me that US gun supporters always say they want to bear arms to keep the US government in check; they say this as if they were a match to the US military in the eventuality of armed conflict with it.
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     Reply #26 - August 30, 2015, 11:45 AM

     Hi Whabbist .. let me hide the Quran.. let me hide the word of allah word of god.,  I am stupid human being  and I am incapable and ineligible to read comment on allahdoll words.  sSo I will not speak/respond to the Quran verses of your post
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    does not necessarily encourage believers to assign strength and might to how many they are in number. Indeed, it seems that the sahaba had been punished in the Battle of Hunayn for exactly doing that. Of course, Allah having made his disapproving point clear, sent in more heavenly yet invisible soldiers to redress the imbalance in favour of the believers. You can check this out,
    it's all laid bare in Surat At-Tawbah [9:24-25]. Another thematically connected ayat is in Surat Al-Baqarah, where the case is made for the few defeating the many; [2:249].
    The few, in actuality, are very very many because of the accompaniment of Allah's blessed permission. These vanity inducing verses allow a window, for example, into why Islamist terrorists, including Bin Laden, refer to the 9/11 terrorist attacks as[quote] The Raid/Gazwa of The Nineteen. It seems thus that shahada seeking by means of suicide bombing when joining ISIS is lacking in rigour, when all along it was victory that was supposed to be espoused to. But a more interesting point is, if one really appreciates 
    the concept of Tawakkul, as mentioned in Surat Al-Anfal [8:49],

     
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     then it wouldn’t be surprising that the ragtag army of losers in Iraq and Syria is trying to provoke the matchless might of the US military* into an open war with it. And provoking the world at large too.This is crazy, I know, but then, this is faith for you.

    That is a faith for me??  Huh?   FOR Me??......me??   Hello Whabbist.
     So I   don't care who is crazy who is not crazy.,  Mighty Human  Militaries always act /acted crazy since the human being came out of their tails and  AMRIKA is no exception to that rule.

    but tell me about my faith..    talk to me about my faith.. what is my faith Whabbist?
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    --* On the vanity bit, it seems laughable to me that US gun supporters always say they want to bear arms to keep the US government in check; they say this as if they were a match to the US military in the eventuality of armed conflict with it.

    US gun supporters..........  well it is their faith

    you and me may think differently but AMRIKA Gun supporters think  "People Kill People  NOT GUNS"

    and here is the proof for that
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    forget  guns .. give guns to everyone...
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    well that is life in 21st century .. take it or leave it...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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     Reply #27 - August 30, 2015, 01:16 PM

    Yeezeeve, I appreciate that language in this instance seems to be a blunt instrument, lacking in precision. Those concerned with this in rigorous academia came up with so called 'functional prose' to be used for single purposes like to inform and instruct; and to describe and explain. That might be parenthetical, so let me explain what I meant be “this is crazy, I know, but then, this is faith for you”. It means this is crazy but I’m not surprised because faith is crazy and has just been presented to you by me as such. Sorry I confused you.
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     Reply #28 - August 30, 2015, 01:30 PM

    It's normally others who cause a thread to derail but I, the thread initiator, seem to have equally colluded in it too, assuming perhaps that even in real life, an awful lot happens in the sidelines of any conference and political summit. Many thanks, happymurtad and Zaotar, for putting up with my legless verbosity.
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     Reply #29 - August 30, 2015, 08:21 PM

    I think there's interest in your legless verbosity. Grin

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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