And I'm again the perfect "victim"
You sure are: you actually read them!
I don't think you really understand Lua. It is becoming mainstream. People are not fooled anymore, they understand that Islam is not compatible with our values and it will never be(based on a new poll 80% of germans do)...They will have the same problems as us, fear for speaking against Islam, trust me.
With all due respect, I fear we're talking about different things here, which is what I've really been trying to get you to see for a while. Yes, you can tell me all you want about how distrust of Islam is increasing in the West. That's not news to me. And yes, it's an easy and tempting trap to thoughtlessly wander into (80% sounds about right), but you're not telling me anything that I don't know. I'm saying this contributes to the problem and is not a solution for it. Can you perhaps explain what point you're trying to prove to me by indicating that this will be a tough battle?
You are hoping because you don't like the inconvenient truth. You are grossly underestimate Islam.
My friend (that has a condescending feel to it, but I kind of mean it--I know you're not coming from a bad place, I know you're not saying any of this lightly, and I think you and I ultimately want the same things), I don't underestimate it in the slightest. I've had a gentle and brief encounter with it compared to others, but it was enough to taste what can go wrong under its banner. I've heard some of the saddest stories on Earth. Seen some of the saddest sights. And although it was my own doing, I've been in some situations that floored me that I do directly attribute to the faults of Islam.
Islam does have problems. Just like Christianity does have problems, and had far more problems in the not-too-distant past. There's a plethora of factors that come into why Muslim countries are generally lagging behind.
Being marginalized is not enough to create a terrorist. You're right. Many things have to come together. And, listen, nhbh, this is something I'm not proud of, but something I've perhaps alluded to here before: I'd like to think that I had standards and more empathy in my youth than these people, and that I would have been more the sort to run off to something like the FSA, but there were times in my life where I could have been a lot like them.
Yeezevee posted an article where, in the end, they basically throw up their hands and say who the fuck knows what makes these people tick, what makes daesh so appealing to its many recruits, what is the psychology behind someone who throws everything away to become a shaheed. I really couldn't disagree more. Maybe, if you ask some of these people well after the fact, they will pretend they don't know what possessed them, or why they did what they did.
These people are cowards on top of cowards for not being able to say the truth:
we were selfish. We fantasized about being powerful. We wanted glory, respect, the world hasn't been treating us the way we want, we're not the important and heroic people we thought we would be when we were younger. I swear to you, nhbh, that the vast majority of these people are not religiously motivated. Religion becomes the flower in their jacket, along with the injustices faced by the Muslims. They become causes for someone who was waiting for something to come along for them to die for.
Again, this is not to say that Islam and that religion has no hand in any of the problems we see out of religious communities, countries, or people. How on Earth do you think I wound up on this site, nhbh? But with terrorism, you're not looking close enough. And by trying to apply a blunt solution, you're further injuring the situation. I'll talk more about this in a second, but not to you. I'll give you a break. Asbie, I'm coming for you.
You can dismiss me all you want as hopeful, but then you must, of course, tell me: what do you think will work better?
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