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  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #150 - November 17, 2015, 01:00 PM

    Surely the worst advice to give if a possible bomb is right in front of you.

    It actually happened more than once, and when you have a seat in a decent boozer, it's such a drag to move.
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #151 - November 17, 2015, 01:05 PM

    Response to attack on Paris .......

    World ‘must end’ scourge of terror_ Arabnews.com



    ALLIES FOREVER: Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Salman, along with Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, holds talks with US President Barack Obama in Antalya, Turkey. (SPA)

    Hmm.. New Prince emerges in SAND LAND.. I wonder what rest of the 3000 or so princes doing??   Good pose by Obama..I guess he is playing Basket Ball in Sand Land as he is not fit to play in AMRIKA..

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    Moderate clerics were needed in France._Al-Azhar imam in Arabnews.com

    More than half the nation's governors say Syrian refugees not welcome _ news from AMRIKA CNN

    Jeb Bush: Only Christians should be allowed refugee status in response to Paris attack_ News from AMRIKA

    French warplanes bombard Isis Raqqa strongholds, two days after Paris attacks_20 bombs were dropped on an Isis command outpost and training camp in France's biggest ever bombing raid against Isis


    well that is what is going on...

    I wonder aerial bombing of any country by any other country  on any  area of the globe will solve such Islamic terror problems?   I don't think so...  the question is

    There are fewer than 100000 and  can not be more than 200000 Islamic fighters in that so-called ISIS controlled area., So why not do a co-ordinated Arab/Turkey/Iranian international force assault on that area with ground troops?  

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #152 - November 17, 2015, 03:31 PM

    It actually happened more than once, and when you have a seat in a decent boozer, it's such a drag to move.


    Yeah, remember those days. I lived in Cardiff and we always assumed the IRA would be nice to us because we weren't English. Any unattended packages duly opened for the possibility of valuables (by someone else, not me, you understand).
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #153 - November 17, 2015, 06:27 PM

    'ISIS targeted Muslims in Paris': http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/15/isis-targeted-muslims-in-paris.html
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #154 - November 17, 2015, 06:38 PM


    zeca puts out interesting link  and it says under a  heading

    "How ISIS Picks Its Suicide Bombers"


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    In the wide world outside al-Dawla al-Islamiya, the Islamic State, we have caught occasional glimpses of these incendiary young zealots. There was, for instance, Jake Bilardi, a disaffected Australian 18-year-old, who, judging by the blog he left while still in Melbourne, made a rather seamless transition from Chomskyism to takfirism, before detonating himself at a checkpoint in Iraq




    and there you see 18 year old  Jake Bilardi from Australia

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    Abu Abdullah al-Australi, as he went to his death in Ramadi, was convinced that he was carrying out a noble act of self-sacrifice, turning kamikaze for the caliphate. For him, jihad began at home. “The turning point in my ideological development,” he’d written, coincided with the
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    “beginning of my complete hatred and opposition to the entire system Australia and the majority of the world was based upon. It was also the moment I realised that violent global revolution was necessary to eliminate this system of governance and that I would likely be killed in this struggle.”

     He was right about that last part, if not quite about how his fellow revolutionaries determined his use-value.


    Huh! ....  "complete hatred and opposition to the entire system Australia and the majority of the world" ............  "seamless transition from Chomskyism to takfirism"  interesting use words there

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #155 - November 17, 2015, 07:30 PM

    I can understand your fear of people finding out your anti-religious sentiments.  If you get to know others who share them, I'm sure you'll slowly overcome them.

    As for terrorists, life's too short. I did my teenage boozing during the IRA pub bombing campaign. A briefcase was left at a busy bar, and boom. One day there was an unattended briefcase in a busy pub in Charing Cross.  What should we do? Call the police? Move pubs? Or start humming Que Sera Sera and order another pint?

    We chose option 3, and we're all still here. Nothing to fear but fear itself.


    Yeah my uncle was at point blank range with the IRA bombing in Warrington, he walked past the bin as it blew up but he miraculously didn't get harmed, I think I remember a boy dying from shrapnel. Atleast with the IRA they made sure that casualties were at a minimum, well, in the later years..  this new terrorist groups agenda is to murder as many people as possible...


    Hey France v England football is on in ITV now I think so...
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #156 - November 17, 2015, 10:54 PM

    I saw something on Twitter by "JohnJihadiISIS" which claimed that all of London is next in the final week of November.


    Sick joke if it's a joke... I'm scared shitless, and I'm scared for my loved ones.
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #157 - November 18, 2015, 01:51 AM

    I'm sorry you feel that way Bolton :(
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #158 - November 18, 2015, 03:47 AM

    Sick joke if it's a joke... I'm scared shitless, and I'm scared for my loved ones.

    My beloved is scared shitless of everything. You need to stop fear devouring your life. From second-hand experience I know how difficult this is, but you must do it.
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #159 - November 18, 2015, 11:13 AM

    Paris Attacks: Suicide Bomber Was Blocked From Entering Stade de France   says news from _Wall Street Journal

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    PARIS—At least one of the attackers outside France’s national soccer stadium had a ticket to the game and attempted to enter the 80,000-person venue, according to a Stade de France security guard who was on duty and French police.

    The guard—who asked to be identified only by his first name, Zouheir—said the attacker was discovered wearing an explosives vest when he was frisked at the entrance to the stadium about 15 minutes into the game. France was playing an exhibition against Germany inside.

    While attempting to back away from security, Zouheir said, the attacker detonated the vest, which was loaded with explosives and bolts, according to Paris prosecutor François Molins. Zouheir, who was stationed by the players’ tunnel, said he was briefed on the sequence by the security frisking team at the gate.

    A police officer confirmed the sequence, adding that police suspect the attacker aimed to detonate his vest inside the stadium in order to provoke a deadly stampede.

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    At first, Zouheir said he too thought the early blast was a firecracker. Then his walkie-talkie came alive with chatter, and he noticed that French President François Hollande—who was in attendance at the Stade de France—was being ushered out of the stadium.

    “Once I saw Hollande being evacuated, I knew it wasn’t firecrackers,” said Zouheir, who could see the VIP box from his post. He added that President Hollande left after the first blast


    well that is the news......   without Zouheir.. the casualty figure could have easily doubled...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #160 - November 19, 2015, 03:08 PM

    @asbie

    Yes, it's daunting. Like David said, this isn't going to resolve in our lifetime. But we have to angle things in the right direction so that this can be resolved in someone else's.

    I've gone a really long time without just blasting away part of a thread page with a huge novel, so I am going to break my hiatus just to write this one, because I've found you surprisingly easy to talk to in the past, nhbh, and just last night I was watching my mother as she was watching the news, and she had just been talking to her friends in France. They said that they're moving immediately. They have a date.

    They blame the refugee situation, they blame the Muslims, and they told my mother to be worried about my sister, who is in the UK, because "things are getting bad there, too." And my mother turned to me and said, "Just the other day, I was yelling at a friend of mine for spreading hate by posting an anti-Muslim thing on Facebook...It's really hard--it's getting really hard--to keep defending them."

    I understand how she feels, and I understand how you feel, nhbh. I understand the frustration, but it's misplaced, and more than ever, we need to keep our eye on the ball.

    It's not to say that I have no problem with Islam or that I think Islam today does not cause problems. I do, and I've talked about that at length here, but in this case, we have to stop and think carefully. It's not Islam, but that's a common thread. And it's the brightest one of the bunch, it's the easiest for us to identify.

    Therefore, when someone commits these attacks, realistically, we should know that they aren't just doing it because they're brainless and they thought they saw "kill a bunch of people" in the Quran. Otherwise, these attacks would be happening all the time everywhere, an attack for every Muslim. There's some other elements that come together: feeling marginalized just enough, lacking just enough empathy, anger at the state of the world misplaced, feeling hopeless and powerless and finding identity and belonging and power with a small group that, like any other group in the world that is so inclined, can find ample "evidence" in the Quran to swear that their way is The Truth.

    But that's when you look closer. If you stick with your first glance, you see "others," you see subgroups and "enclaves" as someone here once wrote, you see hijabs and mosques and the alarm bells go off because our gut reaction for so many of us--people like you and surely people like I, had I not taken the life detour that I did, nhbh--is to think that all Muslims are somehow culpable, complicit on some minor (or major, depending on who you ask) scale, for the common thread is Islam. After all, has anyone confirmed who led these attacks? Who here even really asked? Do we need to?

    The truth is that the problem is complicated. And we have to be careful when we try to treat a complicated condition. If we try the wrong things, we can make it worse. By now, you should be assured of nothing more than the fact that an emotional, angry response to Muslims as a whole is not an effective treatment. It's inflammatory.

    How has the world changed for the better after our extreme reaction to Islam in the United States after 9/11? I can tell you that in the immediate aftermath, it marginalized American Muslims and forced them to become more estranged, made them more removed from society. When we attacked Iraq, the entire Muslim world was watching what we did there, and kids like my husband were sitting in front of the television, watching the news and seeing the devastation and dreaming of going off to fight against the West, and then believing it, unquestioned, when people said the West is evil, the West is with Israel to destroy the Muslims, the West is our enemy, the only way is to unite the ummah.

    We should not excuse the people who are so weak, so egotistical, so selfish, so insecure that they try to redeem themselves and earn "respect" and "power" from this violence and use the oppression of Muslims as a decoration when they go to become martyrs, like the Boston bomber who truly didn't seem to care all that much about Islam prior to deciding to make himself the "hero" of the oppressed. But we should understand them. We should know our enemy, and we should understand what makes them. And we should do everything in our power to cut off the taps that they siphon from.

    At the same time, our job now is to support the Muslims who are strongly condemning these attacks. To support those who make the case that this is un-Islamic. And in a system where everyone is right and no one is wrong, the majority will make the rules. So let's lend ourselves to these Muslims to make them the majority. That is what we can do now. That is the only thing we can do that will not further aggravate the problem. It is hard--harder than the alternatives--but it is the only real cure, and it is the only fair one.

    I will be hoping that France does not make the same mistake we made years ago. And I will be hoping that all of you here (you are some of the most intelligent and considerate people I have the pleasure of interacting with) will do what you can, and at least help us angle this thing a little bit. Progress will be slow, it always is, but, hey. Do it for David's nephews' children.



    Best thing I have read on this thread.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #161 - November 19, 2015, 04:10 PM

    Welcome back, sir.
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #162 - November 19, 2015, 05:57 PM

    I just saw and read about the woman who oh so nobly blew herself up rather than be captured. Which just once again confirmed my hypothesis that most of these jihadis, especially the ones who find IS alluring, are a bunch of degenerates, among other things, most of them not capable to be anything other than low-life wannabe thugs. Whether as a Muslim or ex-Muslim, I have more piety in my little finger than these people will ever have. Which actually disgusts me to no end. And it baffles me, that they are such imbecilles that they don't realize it themselves. But that of course would entail they are people capable of seeing the world from other's perspective, and being conscious of who they are. No self-reflection going on. Numb you anxiety over being a piece of shit, by focusing on every one else being pieces of shit except yourself and your crew.

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #163 - November 19, 2015, 06:43 PM

    For Cornflower:

    John Oliver Paris Attacks

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glxh9ZgP7kc&feature=player_embedded

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #164 - November 19, 2015, 07:36 PM

    Look at this piece of shit. What's the difference between her and some trash wannabe thug? Is that a fucking attempt of a gang symbol?! Stop doing the duck face! Rest in pieces, bitch. And I don't care if I'm disrespectful, this piece of shit wanted to kill others for no other reason than to fill her own ego and delusions of grandeur. Of course camouflaging it  as religious zealousness.


    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #165 - November 19, 2015, 07:37 PM


    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #166 - November 19, 2015, 07:39 PM

     Cheesy

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #167 - November 19, 2015, 09:24 PM

    The terrorist suspect, who was the reason for Sweden raising their security level from a level 4 out of 5, has been arrested a while ago. Seems they had information about actual planning for a terrorist act. Worst thing, he was found in asylum housing... *sigh*. Doesn't surprise me, but confirms what I'm afraid of - terrorist scum weasling their way in with all the asylum seekers who are fleeing from the chaos the scums are causing :(

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #168 - November 20, 2015, 04:25 AM

    Best thing I have read on this thread.


    Thanks, Cato. It's been a while--hope you've been well.
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #169 - November 20, 2015, 06:05 AM

    ^I'm doing great. Thanks for asking Lua Smiley

    Welcome back, sir.


    Will probably join you in Latin America where we can drink and live like Lords. Just let me learn how to ride those birds in the sky first.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #170 - November 20, 2015, 08:35 AM

    Will probably join you in Latin America where we can drink and live like Lords. Just let me learn how to ride those birds in the sky first.

    No tennis ball sized hailstones out there.

    This is the sky bird that gets you there - a big and recent improvement on the old ones.

  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #171 - November 20, 2015, 10:48 AM

    ISIS militant threatens to “roast” Obama and French president François Hollande with explosive “belts and car bombs”  says news....











    well those cartoons are from that news link.....

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #172 - November 20, 2015, 11:03 AM

    ISIS financed from 40 countries, incl G20 members – Putin (FULL SPEECH)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96k_8ywt22g

    I don't like Putin and Putin Russian politics  but I would have to agree with his statement

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #173 - November 20, 2015, 02:20 PM


     
    Look at this piece of shit. What's the difference between her and some trash wannabe thug? Is that a fucking attempt of a gang symbol?! Stop doing the duck face! Rest in pieces, bitch. And I don't care if I'm disrespectful, this piece of shit wanted to kill others for no other reason than to fill her own ego and delusions of grandeur. Of course camouflaging it  as religious zealousness.


    And the news at BBC   http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34877373 says



    Quote
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    Paris attacks: Who was Hasna Aitboulahcen?

    Hasna Aitboulahcen's mother reportedly lived in a large block of flats in the Paris suburb of Aulnay-sous-Bois.

    We met two women who knew her.
    Khemissa, who went to school with her, says the Hasna she knew "loved life", but describes her former classmate as "vulnerable" and "fragile".
    "I don't think she had the intention to be a suicide bomber," she says. "I don't think she planned it, it must have been a last-minute thing - she was influenced." She was aware of reports that Hasna Aitboulahcen had written on Facebook that she wanted to travel to Syria.

    "We didn't really believe her. We thought it was words without meaning."
    Was she religious, we ask? "She was maybe brain-washed, or influenced. She was a weak person. They came at the right moment. They found the right person," she says.


    However, another woman who said she knew Hasna Aitboulahcen "very well" also said she couldn't believe "that she was a terrorist".
    The woman, who didn't want to give her name, confirmed Khemissa's assertion that Aitboulahcen had spent time in the care of social services.
    She said her father had left her mother and siblings. "There were problems in the family," she said.
    The woman said Hasna Aitboulahcen's mother sometimes looked after her children.
    Hasna "had a sad childhood," she said. "But I would never have thought the girl would have done that. She was always smiling and very polite."
    'Party girl'
    As we spoke to the women, crowds of teenagers and young men, clearly with little to do, hung around.
    Some of them shouted mockingly at the armed policemen in balaclavas as they drove away.
    One policeman gave them a two-fingered victory salute out of the window.
    Aulnay-sous-Bois, a suburb to northeast of the French capital, has deep social problems.
    There was violence here during the 2005 Paris riots.

    that is what news says..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #174 - November 20, 2015, 08:32 PM

    No tennis ball sized hailstones out there.


     Grin

    Quote
    This is the sky bird that gets you there - a big and recent improvement on the old ones.

    (Clicky for piccy!)


    High wing with a turboprop engine. Which means it has a low torque which would be sweet for turning. That will do Afro

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #175 - November 20, 2015, 08:51 PM

    It has emerged that the suspected ringleader of the attacks had been able to travel from Syria to France undetected.

  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #176 - November 20, 2015, 10:14 PM

    ^The Greeks are saying otherwise, though I've no idea who's right.

    No evidence jihadist was in Greece, says ministry
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #177 - November 21, 2015, 03:55 AM

    -


    Hey Cato! Glad you're back, hope its for good.  Smiley

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #178 - November 21, 2015, 05:48 AM

    ^The Greeks are saying otherwise, though I've no idea who's right.

    No evidence jihadist was in Greece, says ministry


    Didn't Greeks confirmed that at least one of the terrorists travelled through Greece, with a fake passport from a syrian regime soldier killed in battle ?
    Doesn't matter too much, ISIS can find plenty of supporters on the continent,  although many of them are under surveillance.
  • Paris shootings, explosions leave at least 120 dead says news
     Reply #179 - November 21, 2015, 09:17 AM

    well let us watch these tubes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXNJgL4TWSs


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORW-hvl9Vw4


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXnoKnmQdtI

    well atleast watch Sarah Haider in that last tube..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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